Browns receiver Josh Gordon is on the block per Schefter

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

The Browns are building for the future and are willing to trade a talented 22 yr old receiver. What does that tell you about Gordon?

It tells us that he was drafted by someone else and not much besides.

"Desides wrote:

It tells us that he was drafted by someone else and not much besides.

Wonder what Mike H thinks about the Browns trading his players. I know he's pissed about the Trent R trade.

I think it would be crazy for Miami to trade Hartline for Josh Gordon. But I don't think it would be crazy for Miami to give up a later round pick for him. He would absolutely be an upgrade over Brandon Gibson.

I would absolutely phone them up and explore their price tag. If it's lowered from the 2nd round pick they gave to get Gordon then I would pull the trigger.

What intrigues me so much about Gordon is the possibility of using him in the slot in Joe Philbin's offense, where Brandon Gibson has been playing. The Dolphins use their slot receiver on a lot of verticals in order to hold the safety in place, which allows the outside receiver to that side more freedom from fear of double teams. And if the safety does not choose to guard the hash, the Dolphins throw to the slot receiver up the seam. That's why they like bigger targets there.

Josh Gordon has the size they liked on Armon Binns when they had him working in the slot, except he's more athletic and a bigger playmaker. Last year he ran 60 routes from the slot and produced 12 catches for 271 yards and 2 TDs off that small amount of work. The yards per route on that is ludicrous at a 4.5 yard average.

I'm genuinely surprised that everyone in this thread seems to be immediately dismissive of the idea to the point of making fun of anyone who treats the possibility seriously.

patriots will get him

"ckparrothead wrote:

I'm genuinely surprised that everyone in this thread seems to be immediately dismissive of the idea to the point of making fun of anyone who treats the possibility seriously.

I think most people are dismissive of the idea of trading Hartline in-season for him.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I would absolutely phone them up and explore their price tag. If it's lowered from the 2nd round pick they gave to get Gordon then I would pull the trigger.

What intrigues me so much about Gordon is the possibility of using him in the slot in Joe Philbin's offense, where Brandon Gibson has been playing. The Dolphins use their slot receiver on a lot of verticals in order to hold the safety in place, which allows the outside receiver to that side more freedom from fear of double teams. And if the safety does not choose to guard the hash, the Dolphins throw to the slot receiver up the seam. That's why they like bigger targets there.

Josh Gordon has the size they liked on Armon Binns when they had him working in the slot, except he's more athletic and a bigger playmaker. Last year he ran 60 routes from the slot and produced 12 catches for 271 yards and 2 TDs off that small amount of work. The yards per route on that is ludicrous at a 4.5 yard average.

I'm genuinely surprised that everyone in this thread seems to be immediately dismissive of the idea to the point of making fun of anyone who treats the possibility seriously.

Few were dismissive of bringing in Gordon. We were dismissive of trading Hartline and 5th for Gordon. Not sure how that wasn't clear.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I would absolutely phone them up and explore their price tag. If it's lowered from the 2nd round pick they gave to get Gordon then I would pull the trigger.

What intrigues me so much about Gordon is the possibility of using him in the slot in Joe Philbin's offense, where Brandon Gibson has been playing. The Dolphins use their slot receiver on a lot of verticals in order to hold the safety in place, which allows the outside receiver to that side more freedom from fear of double teams. And if the safety does not choose to guard the hash, the Dolphins throw to the slot receiver up the seam. That's why they like bigger targets there.

Josh Gordon has the size they liked on Armon Binns when they had him working in the slot, except he's more athletic and a bigger playmaker. Last year he ran 60 routes from the slot and produced 12 catches for 271 yards and 2 TDs off that small amount of work. The yards per route on that is ludicrous at a 4.5 yard average.

I'm genuinely surprised that everyone in this thread seems to be immediately dismissive of the idea to the point of making fun of anyone who treats the possibility seriously.

Agreed. I'm very intrigued at the possibility of a Josh Gordan deal. at the right price and only the right price. Given his red flags, I would say he's a worth a 4th and no more.

I'm more interested in Joe Hayden and would love to know his availability...

"LBsFinest wrote:

Gordon is better than Hartline ever was or ever will be.

Who in the hell cares if he has better talent if he has the character of a scumbag.

I blame fantasy football for this kind of thinking

Something tells me Bellicheat comes in and fleeces the browns for him.

"brandon27 wrote:

With what Hartline brings as a route runner, and his ability to work the sidelines, and his reliable hands, he's a pretty perfect fit opposite Wallace, and with Gibson in the slot as shown against Cleveland. There's no way we move him. That's a good thing also.

Exactly, if anything phinsational's stat heavy thread shows Hartline is most LIKELY to have a huge year for us as his rapport with Tannehill grows even more.

This would make trading him for Gordon make -0- sense.

You want an offense to grow holistically, not spasmodically, once THill gains that experience and success then you can change out parts.

"steveincolorado wrote:

I can see him in New England.

Actually THIS is the most compelling reason to trade for him.

If New England has him, our chances of winning the division decrease.

If we have him, I think we still win the division. Hell, trade for him, then trade him again to a team of our choosing, just to avoid NE getting him.

"Bpk wrote:

Actually THIS is the most compelling reason to trade for him.

If New England has him, our chances of winning the division decrease.

If we have him, I think we still win the division. Hell, trade for him, then trade him again to a team of our choosing, just to avoid NE getting him.

You got to wonder after AH how gun shy the Pats might be pulling the trigger on someone like Gordon.

Josh Gordon just scored.

Look at the stop n go Gordon just did against the Vikings, beautiful. 47 yard TD. Talent wise, dude is a stud.

"byroan wrote:

Josh Gordon just scored.

8 minutes into his season and he already matched Hartline's TD total for last season with Brian Hoyer throwing him the ball.

TRADE FOR HIM JEFFY!!!!!

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

I think most people are dismissive of the idea of trading Hartline in-season for him.

This.

I'd trade Brandon Gibson though.

I would look for the redskins to make him an offer.

Browns are probably going to be asking a 1st round pick after today.

Or they'll do the smart thing and just keep him.

"Rhody Phins Fan wrote:

The Browns are building for the future and are willing to trade a talented 22 yr old receiver. What does that tell you about Gordon?

Maybe the same thing that the Richardson trade indicates, that the Browns are in fire sale mode. They gave up on Richardson awfully quickly- everyone has their own opinions, but mine is that with Weeden, Richardson, Gordon, Cameron and Joe Thomas they had a nucleus of offensive talent to build upon, and now it looks like they want to tear it all down. I'd be skeptical if I were the Browns owner, not a fan of what they're doing and apparently intend on doing.

Hes going to be a patriot. Its clear as day imo

"Frumundah Finnatic wrote:

So you want us to give up a solid #2 and a 5th for a talented yet unproven WR.

Amen! I wouldn't be so easy to give up Hartline. He's the kind of guy you want in your locker room and on your team.

Didn't the Browns just ask the city of Cleveland for money to upgrade the stadium?
I think when they traded their best player on offense away, the message is clear that nobody is safe and their jobs are on line.

Personally I don't want him. I don't trust that hes smart enough to lay off the weed.