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Bye Week Evaluation

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Da 'Fins, Oct 7, 2013.

  1. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Going into the season, I think it is good to recall that while there were some pundits who thought very highly of the Dolphins chances there were others who did not.

    Several of us on here saw 9-7 as a reasonable, near-best-case-scenario, possibility (really anywhere between 7-9 and 10-6 in a best case scenario for most folks). I think that's still about right, 7-9 to 9-7.

    So, where are we as a team? There are certainly weaknesses both defensively and offensively. But, there is also still some talent. If the team had an above average offensive line in place, I think they'd be clearly a 10-6 or 11-5 team and would win the division. Not a big SB contender but - you get hot at the right time and that would be a possibility. Tannehill would be given the time.

    But, I really like a lot about where we are as a team (in spite of the glaring weaknesses).

    Defensively:
    1) I like what Dion Jordan does (especially given that he essentially missed the entire off-season because of his injured shoulder - let's not forget that he not only missed reps but when you have a shoulder injury that's going to limit upper body weightlifting as well). Jordan is already bigger than Jason Taylor ever was. I think Jordan could be a 265-270 player if he wanted to with speed. Give him more strength and he's going to be huge. His long arms are such a great asset. I'm pumped for this player given his extremely limited action this year. It will also be really interesting to see what Jordan does after the bye when Wake comes back healthy. We've not had much chance to see the two on the field at the same time but I think that could be big for us in weeks to come (if both can remain healthy).

    2) We have had a pretty depleted DBackfield. Ostensibly what would have been the #s 2, 3, 4 CBs have been "out" (one, Taylor, also had no offseason or preseason). There still is some great potential there. I'm interested in seeing what happens in the bye week and whether the rookies can step up. If we get those guys all healthy our DBs are going to be much better.

    3) We've also been missing our best player on the team the past 3 games (Wake). He's massively important to the D. And, we also have had another top D player out for some period (Soliai).

    Offensively, we have a lot of work to do. But, it's not all bad.

    1) I think the negativity toward Wallace is just too much. You simply can't think in terms of the contract and expect him to be a Megatron type player. That's not his game. The media and fans just need to let it play out. He still can be and is an asset out there.

    2) I wasn't a huge fan of the Gibson signing but I think he's been a really good #3 WR. I actually like all our WR's. I don't think that's where the problem lies with this team anymore. Wallace, Hartline, Gibson and Matthews are good enough to be a winning team. I guarantee you Tom Brady would be salivating with those four on his team right now!

    3) The OL is significantly problematic at this point at 3 positions - though Martin has been serviceable. But, Clabo has been a real problem. So, too, Jerry. Too bad he doesn't have the intensity and work ethic of his brother. This has to be a major priority in the offseason. They probably should have gone after Albert in the trade and possibly Levitre in free agency (I think they could have afforded it). It would have stretched them a bit financially for next season but I think they'd have still been able to maneuver well. Ireland simply can't wait 2-3 years to develop an OL! By then guys like Wake will be out of gas and some other contracts will be having big cap hits.

    4) The lack of a running game is also partly a product of the OL but not entirely. I still like Miller but they did not need to go into the season without a veteran behind Miller. Ireland's man-crush on Daniel Thomas was a) completely inexplicable given the past two seasons (I think it has to be some pride about his picking him); and b) a costly mistake. He is an inconsistent runner with no explosion, little vision, and can't really pass block very well (in fact, none of the RB's can pass block which is an additional problem).

    5) Tannehill. He still has a number of positives:
    - Good release.
    - Good accuracy.
    - Solid arm.
    - And a generally cool head under pressure. He's made some big plays at crucial times. I still like the kid's potential.

    That said, I mentioned this in another thread, I think he has two significant areas in which to improve: 1) Pocket Awareness - he simply is not being instinctive enough with the pass rush. Several times he's been so focused downfield that he has just moved to exactly the wrong spot in the pocket (this is not in any way to exonerate the OL play - because they are in fact allowing the pocket to collapse on nearly every play - there is rarely an ideal pocket formed). 2) Vision of the Field - I also think this impacts his pocket awareness a bit. He simply needs to be able to scan the field "holistically" as great QBs do. Everything I am seeing when I look at the "coaches film" on Game rewind says he is looking right at the #1 target to see if he gets open; then, if time, shifting to the #2 guy; and only occasionally to the #3. Of course, he's not getting a great deal of time back there so that is a significant issue in hindering his development in scanning the field. There's no doubt this can be a problem if Miami doesn't change something. However, he still has it on his shoulders to scan the field and read the D as a whole more effectively then decide where to go.

    Coaching:

    1) I like Philbin as a head coach. Fans need to be patient with him. He has done a solid overall job.

    2) O-line coaching. In some ways it's a chicken-egg thing when the OL performs well or poorly (who's really to blame?) :confused2:. But, I am not a big fan of Turner. He's fiery but I've never felt the "fiery" types make great coaches. We fans love that kind of thing when a coach talks tough. But, give me a great technician type (Alex Gibbs) and I'll take that any day. Whether Turner is that or not I don't know.

    3) The OC - I will put this on Philbin and Sherman. I think they have been mediocre at best and very inconsistent. Great opening game plan against the Colts. But, otherwise, not very impressive. Maybe it's a limitation with the OL and Tannehill's limitations. But, they have not utilized Wallace effectively the way the Steelers did. I think they've simply said, "run the standard route trees and hope you get open." Of course, Wallace is limited on deep plays because of the pass-blocking issues. But, I also think more screens and slants are in order for him. However, it's generally been pretty bland with overall play calling. I think they could mix things up a bit more effectively. Still reserving judgment here as it's early and the team has a long way to go.

    Moving forward:

    Buffalo is a must win. No two ways about it. They have to win and go to 4-2. A solid win (i.e., not going down to the end of the 4th quarter) would really help the team's overall confidence. But, a loss to a team that has had to resort to hiring QBs from the Wal-Mart grocery line would be pretty disastrous after a bye week, to say the least.

    Hopefully, the team will remain healthy. With the bye week giving them another week to get players healthy (really comes a perfect time given the injuries) and also to work in the rookies some more on the defensive scheme (Taylor, Davis, Jordan) this should put us in good position. Also need to re-evaluate the OL situation.

    I still think we'll be near 9-7 and borderline playoffs but - unless a near miracle happens on the OL I don't think we'll make the playoffs. That's not all bad if we can get 2-3 new players in the draft and revamp the OL, we should be in prime shape next year to be really competitive for the playoffs.
     
  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good writeup but I disagree with the notion that Martin has been anything near "serviceable".

    He's been atrocious. the fact that Clabo has been worse doesn't absolve Martin.

    Unfortunately, I don't see much we can do about the line moving forward.
     
  3. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Good stuff.

    Despite the fact we can't run or pass protect, the team is better than it's been in a while. The offense moves the ball well, they're scoring more points, having more explosive plays and the defense is forcing more turnovers. All really good things. I believe Tannehill is progressing nicely too.

    If we can get the line to be even mediocre we will be in good shape.
     
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  4. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Nice write up. I just wish we could make a change of the OL. Play a rookie, it can't be worse than Clabo.
     
  5. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    To think it was between him or Mike Adams. I wonder if Jeff Ireland flipped a coin to decide that and ended up with Martin.
     
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  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    I think Martin is serviceable, Clabo is just dreadful, so is Jerry.

    I'd certainly put Garner at one of those spots, we really have little choice

    That leaves RG or RT open, not sure Watkins can plug and play, but I'd be open to it.

    Think the team is really banged up and it hurts our performance as we have decent depth, not great depth, Patterson is supposed to come back after the bye as J Taylor simply has a target on his back right now and is getting burned constantly.
     
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  7. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Martin only looks serviceable compared to Clabo. The guy is awful. I guess he could still improve, but to what? Mediocre?
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    THill still went for what 300 yds yesterday.

    Clabo's problem is he is a finesse guy who can't anchor and whose mobility is crap atm, he really can't do very much, add in the "LT is the key to everything" is clearly outdated, Clabo is facing opponent's best passrushers now and getting roasted.

    Who knows, maybe the Ravens waive McKinney
     
  9. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I think you make a statement and just install Garner at LG, Incogs at RG, and Yeatman at RT going forward.
     
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  10. Limbo

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    The lack of a running game is killing the offense. DLines can tee off. Young developing QBs are hardly ever asked to win games without any help from the rush attack (RG3, Wilson, Kaep, and look at what the Colts are doing now), but Tannehill's reality is exactly this.

    The FO made his bed in the offseason by not addressing the run game: relying on a kid who had 50 career carries and a guy who has flashes but is generally a bust, then bringing in OLinemen who are poor run blockers. Said after the draft and into preseason that our running game was in trouble, and that the staff not doing anything about it is jeopardizing Tannehill's success and growth.

    Mike Wallace had his best success on Steelers teams that ran the ball a lot (his worst Pittsburgh year came once Todd Haley started at OC with his quick passing attack). Wallace made his money in the playaction passing game, and right now we can't run playaction anything. You can mask his route-running deficiencies by letting him work longer routes and not having him quickly read defenses and convert timing routes, which have never been his strengths.

    I put a lot of this on Philbin. He never gave a sh-t about the running game personnel in Green Bay, but it didn't matter because he had Aaron Rodgers. He's trying to get away with that here and it's biting us.
     
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  11. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Eh, Richie is doing fine at LG, to me I'd for sure replace Clabo w/Garner, not that is some huge upgrade at least Garner can handle your garden variety bullrush.

    I'd work out Lance Louis as well to see where he is at, coming off the ACL he may have turned the corner in private rehab (see more than likely HGH aided rehab)
     
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  12. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Yeah. That was a killer. Even Jeff Allen starting at KC at OG would have been better.

    But, I do think if we have the other positions in place, we can get by with Martin at LT. He still has a long way to go though.

    Essentially there are 3 positions on the OL to replace. That's a tall order but that has to be the focus in the off-season and I also like the idea of seeing what Yeatman and Garner can do.

    However, I also think that there is a reason those guys aren't starting already - that Clabo simply beat them out in training camp.
     
  13. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Gibson isn't just a good #3, he's ranked 4th overall in WPA. He's doing a great job so far.
     
  14. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    I think Martin would be more serviceable if they could figure out a way to mitigate the Jerry/Clabo disaster. One weak spot you can scheme around and hope Martin improves while he's getting some help. But this is like trying to put your fingers in a dike that's springing more leaks that you handle.
     
  15. GMJohnson

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    That would be an irrational move in response to irrational fan sentiment, aka it's not going to happen.
     

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