He really needs to improve his route running. At times, he's not aware of how much space he has to work with.
Do you think that's something that comes in time with him? He certainly seems to have the athleticism to run all the routes.
Yeah. Ryan Tannehill had 19 starts. Lamar Miller had 13 starts. Yeah. He's pretty much locked into the "25 starts in college" approach.
Maybe. I can't really tell if it will or won't. Like you noted, he has the tools for it but you don't really know if he has the discipline.
On the subject of Cordarrelle Patterson's 40 time. As you guys know I often do my own re-testing of 40's. My goal is simply to get apples-to-apples views on how fast these players actually cross 40 yards of distance in relation to one another. The absolute number doesn't matter to me as much, it's the comparison that matters. As such I begin the frame counter at the final moment when the player's first foot is still barely touching the ground before it lifts off. This means that every time is very literally the time it took for each player to step their way across 40 yards of turf. No getting weeded up in whether to start the timer because a guy's foot flexed, or his hand raised up slightly, or his shoulders rolled, etc. It's just based on the steps. Based on this I found that Marquise Goodwin crossed 40 yards of turf in approximately 4.22 seconds' worth of video frames (60 frames per second). I found that Tavon Austin crossed 40 yards of turf in approximately 4.27 seconds' worth of video frames. And finally, I found that Cordarrelle Patterson crossed 40 yards of turf in approximately 4.30 seconds' worth of video frames. Why does that time differ significantly from the unofficial and "official" times? Based on the frame by frame I would have to say it's because he raised and moved his hands significantly sooner than he actually jacked his feet for the start. Little differences in start METHOD like this can result in these kinds of perversions, which is why I do this in the first place. A year ago I got consistent 4.32 for Stephen Hill and Chris Rainey, and 4.35 for Travis Benjamin. Those three had the fastest 40 times among offensive players. This impresses me, because on coaches tape I've done some looking at Stephen Hill's work in 2012 with the Jets and that man absolutely flies down the football field and is among the best natural deep threats I saw. He's the same weight as Patterson but 2 inches taller. Knowing that Patterson approximates the same speed gives me that much more confidence in him.
However it should be noted that despite random fans' account of a meeting with Jeff Ireland, I do not whatsoever expect the Miami Dolphins to draft Cordarrelle Patterson. I originally put those odds at 20/1 and I'm staying with them.
To be fair you MO is more than " fine to re-sign Hartline and draft Patterson at 12 and call the WR position good" ...
Curious what guys you think have the best odds right now? My guess would be Banks, Lane Johnson, whichever top DE that falls to 12 out of Moore, Jones, Jordan, and Warner. Maybe Rhodes. In that order.
He also made a big deal about Tannehill not meeting his criteria and he broke his own rules to draft him. So there is that, he did take two jr's, which is out of character for his time as GM.
Out of character is one AssUMes he still follows the Parcells blueprint even now that he is no longer bound by Parcells' shackles. None of Tannehill, Vernon or Miller fit the Parcells blueprint, so it looks pretty obvious to all but the most obtuse viewer that the Ireland blueprint does not match the Parcells blueprint.
Not really, after the draft there's a good chance Bess and Matthews will be the only WRs remaining on the active roster from last year Wallace/Jennings Rookie Rookie Bess Matthews that's 5 and that's assuming we don't add a 2nd cheaper WR in FA that makes the team and pushes it to 6 (or an undrafted FA). Throw in the fact that we'll probably also bring in at least one new TE and this could be a completely different set of pass catchers.
And Matthews, Cunningham, and the rest of the draft class all were Seniors, which is in keeping with his time as GM He also tends to like the big 12 or whatever is today.
He may have tendencies. That is not the same as hard and fast etched in stone rules. His blueprint is his own. We've seen variance from what Parcells did to see pretty clearly that Jeff is his own man, now that Bill ain't around anymore.
Ansah also has to be in play. Definitely over Moore anyway. I'm still not ready to discount Keenan Allen. If any WR in the draft fits what Ireland would want, IMO it is Allen. He's probably the most plug and play ready of the WRs in this draft. Also, after his combine, I'm thinking Eifert moves up to close enough to 12th overall, that he'd not be a reach to take him there. Also, as a few others have noted, Austin is at least a wild card for consideration at 12. Not saying I'd agree with all of them, but I can see the line of thinking behind them being considered.
No. That's not true at all. There are actually very few immature wide receivers. You just notice them more because of their immaturity. You don't have to be a diva to be a top receiver. I personally haven't seen any immature traits from Patterson on the field. I've seen that guy pat the DB in the head when the DB got the best of him. He's not out there running his mouth a lot.
No. That's not true at all. There are actually very few immature wide receivers. You just notice them more because of their immaturity. You don't have to be a diva to be a top receiver. I personally haven't seen any immature traits from Patterson on the field. I've seen that guy pat the DB in the head when the DB got the best of him. He's not out there running his mouth a lot.
He drew two touchdown-negating Unsportsmanlike penalties. But one was not really unsportsmanlike conduct at all. It was something else mistaken for unsportsmanlike conduct. The first one was absolutely showboating though. I wouldn't say immaturity on the field. You can call it that. But I refer to it as sheer absent-mindedness, and it's all over his film. It goes to the root of my biggest concern about him.
I saw the same thing, and I was most reminded of Brandon Marshall. He'll make a ridiculous catch one minute, and muff an easy catch the next. The upside far outweighs the concerns for me. The question is ... is the upside worth picking him at 12? That's why I'll be glued to free agency early.
There is a lot of bad-vibe flex in picking Patterson at #12...the position he plays is one of wildly varying rates of success. That may be enough for Ireland to shy away from him. That said, FA has to make a huge difference in the importance he puts on a playmaking WR (that Patterson seems to be). For example, if we have Wallace or Jennings or even Hartline on board (I am doubting all of that, tho), then waiting to get someone later is fine and he can go after a CB, DE, OL, etc...another factor is who is available at #12.... I mean if Milliner (doubtful) is available at 12, could you pass on him, even if you need a WR ?? I doubt teams can go into the draft and pinpoint who they want prior to the start of the draft unless they have #1 overall... If he doesn't do something in FA regarding the WR position, he paints himself in to a corner once KC is on the clock in April...that is a recipe for disaster, not that it couldn't still work out for them, but it's really taking more of a risk than Irish should be.
I don't know if it's the same. Functionally I guess it might be the same. The net effect may be the same. But the issues that lead to a weird drop from Brandon Marshall and the issues I'm talking about with Cordarrelle Patterson are different. Closer to Dez Bryant. Just a very weird lack of awareness that would be concerning.
IMO with Patterson you have a guy with very good athletic skills that you hope will develop. I believe that the odds of him being successful at the next level without learning to be a WR that works at his craft are remote (like with 99.9% of WRs). I didn't see much evidence that he was a guy that had already learned to work at his craft. If so then you have to believe that after he gets paid he'll have the maturity, character, etc. to be that guy that develops. Unfortunately, history has shown that the vast majority of WRs don't develop. Personally, for me to take him at #12 I'd have to either believe that he is so special athletically that he's in that .01% that can dominate anyways or that he has the personality to be the type that develops after getting paid. The determination on that personality would probably come from the interview and conversations with his coaches and team mates.
I think Jeff has something up his sleeve here. He is not tipping his hand at all. I think all the bs with Jennings and making a hard pursuit of Wallace is all smoke screens. My prediction is that we WILL address this via a trade. I believe it will be Miles Austin, and as long as he doesnt wear #19 for us I will be more than happy. Once that is addressed I believe we resign hartline, and draft a WR in the 2nd round hopefully a quinton patton. This will allow us to address the rest of our needs in the draft and add a young WR and a dynamic WR.
Eh, Patterson spoke to the media today and said the usual "expect to be a top 15 pick" and "need to improve route running and recognition" said he has an interview lined up with Ireland later on today. It's on Mando's blog
Yeah, I thought about Ansah and Allen as well. I would imagine those two should also be in the mix. I like Allen, but ideally we could get him after a move down, and I still think there is a very good chance we get a vet WR via FA or trade which would decrease the odds on any WR in the 1st round.
I'd much rather WR - Patterson WR - DaRick Rogers WR - Ryan Swope WR - Matthews TE - Finley TE - Chris GRagg TE - Clay QB - Tannehill FB - Miller
