Cameron Wake fans will love this

I'm not certain what is more impressive, Wake's performance or the fact you managed to post that chart and it actually looks like a chart!

Bravo Sir, Bravo!

He added alot of heat when he got in there however is that because he was fresh?

It appears Wake should probably be 2nd on that list. Antwan Odom didn't play a full season and he had 5 sacks in week 2 vs. the Packers going mostly against Darryn Colledge - the Packers starting LG who was forced into play LT when Chad Clifton got injured. Odom got hurt a few weeks later on, but he clearly isn't an elite pass-rusher.

"BuckeyeKing wrote:

He added alot of heat when he got in there however is that because he was fresh?

Thats what I was going to say. You put a fresh pass rusher in, against a OL that's played all day, he's bound to have success.

Im not trying to take away anything from Wake, he's got alot of talent. But I'm sure coming into the game fresh, and at 100% and goin up against guys who have been battling all game has a bit to do with this.

Only one way to find out really, give him more playing time. We all know that is probably going to happen with Porter destined to be released.

You can rotate fresh players to be aggressive when you have TEAM players that don't whine and cry me me me.

wake + nolan = winnnnnnnnn

"RoninFin4 wrote:

Odom got hurt a few weeks later on, but he clearly isn't an elite pass-rusher.

5 sacks in one game
2 sacks against All Pro LT Ryan Clady
1 sack against All Pro LT Joe Thomas

I'd say Odom was pretty elite in 2009.

"brandon27 wrote:

Thats what I was going to say. You put a fresh pass rusher in, against a OL that's played all day, he's bound to have success.

Im not trying to take away anything from Wake, he's got alot of talent. But I'm sure coming into the game fresh, and at 100% and goin up against guys who have been battling all game has a bit to do with this.

Only one way to find out really, give him more playing time. We all know that is probably going to happen with Porter destined to be released.

That's what I was going to say.

Only thing is that you would think more time = more fatigue for most guys. But if anyone is in crazy enough shape to defy that theory, it's Wake.

Wake played.....167 snaps with 5.5 sacks
Timmons played 817 snaps with 7 sacks

I may be insane but wouldn't Wake's numbers be more
efficient

Wake had a sack every 30.36 plays
Timmons a sack every 116.71 plays
Odom had a sack every 36.12 plays

To me Wake had the best sack % against plays run
and should be #1

"miamiron wrote:

Wake played.....167 snaps with 5.5 sacks
Timmons played 817 snaps with 7 sacks

I may be insane but wouldn't Wake's numbers be more
efficient

Wake had a sack every 30.36 plays
Timmons a sack every 116.71 plays
Odom had a sack every 36.12 plays

To me Wake had the best sack % against plays run
and should be #1

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=DE3&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=0&numgames=1

Here's a little something to add to your point. Wake graded out as the #3 pass rusher in the NFL. Few were even close.

Look at the QB hits and pressures, aside from sacks. He did half as much in less than a third of the snaps.

As far as being fresh, he played ST's. Also, I've seen his pic, and would NEVER question his conditioning. LOL

"miamiron wrote:

Wake played.....167 snaps with 5.5 sacks
Timmons played 817 snaps with 7 sacks

I may be insane but wouldn't Wake's numbers be more
efficient

Wake had a sack every 30.36 plays
Timmons a sack every 116.71 plays
Odom had a sack every 36.12 plays

To me Wake had the best sack % against plays run
and should be #1

Now im all for Wake, and really like what he brings to the table
but can he be a 3-4 OLB? he had his hand on the ground most of the time he rushed, and he is not big enough to be a DE
I think he can serve as that 4th d-lineman type in Nolans defense, who most of the time gets his hand on the ground and just blitzes, but that exposes what we dont have, a cover LB, we need one ASAP

another thing is he needs to show he can play a full game before I'm completely sold, cause he usually came in well rested against ppl who had played the whole game, and his running defense is a big question mark, how does he shed defenders on the run, how does his pad level react to the lateral movement?
He is still a project, but I do have a lot of upside for him

"MaddMatt wrote:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=DE3&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=-1&numsnaps=0&numgames=1

Here's a little something to add to your point. Wake graded out as the #3 pass rusher in the NFL. Few were even close.

Look at the QB hits and pressures, aside from sacks. He did half as much in less than a third of the snaps.

As far as being fresh, he played ST's. Also, I've seen his pic, and would NEVER question his conditioning. LOL

NO POPCORN MUSCLES ON THIS GUY:hi5:

"miamiron wrote:

NO POPCORN MUSCLES ON THIS GUY:hi5:

:yes: Agreed, and how many other DE's had to sprint down on kicks? None, and it does take a lot out of you, especially in Miami.

Anyone have Wake's pic? I can't find it.

"MaddMatt wrote:

:yes: Agreed, and how many other DE's had to sprint down on kicks? None, and it does take a lot out of you, especially in Miami.

Anyone have Wake's pic? I can't find it.

Idk about that, you have starters that sprint down kicks all the time
Wake wasn't a starter, he would have 15-20 plays all game
so that doesnt sell me on how he will handle starter duty
and he is not a DE, hes a LB so there are about 3 other LBs on the special teams, and 1 started for us

Great post/thread, and darn fine graph! Wake will get a LOT more snaps with Porter gone and playing under Nolan, well it just makes me all tigly inside to think what Nolan can do with talent like Wake's got. Look at what he did with Dumerville, and you get my point.

"sergiomiguel2 wrote:

Now im all for Wake, and really like what he brings to the table
but can he be a 3-4 OLB? he had his hand on the ground most of the time he rushed, and he is not big enough to be a DE
I think he can serve as that 4th d-lineman type in Nolans defense, who most of the time gets his hand on the ground and just blitzes, but that exposes what we dont have, a cover LB, we need one ASAP

another thing is he needs to show he can play a full game before I'm completely sold, cause he usually came in well rested against ppl who had played the whole game, and his running defense is a big question mark, how does he shed defenders on the run, how does his pad level react to the lateral movement?
He is still a project, but I do have a lot of upside for him

JT was not big enough to be a DE either. He did manage. LOL

Nolan made Dumerville a star. He is smaller, slower, and less athletic than Wake.

"MaddMatt wrote:

JT was not big enough to be a DE either. He did manage. LOL

Nolan made Dumerville a star. He is smaller, slower, and less athletic than Wake.

Well but I never said anything about his size...

"MaddMatt wrote:

Anyone have Wake's pic? I can't find it.

"miamiron wrote:

Thanks, #91 was the one I was looking for. Anyone want to question his conditioning, face to face? LOL

"sergiomiguel2 wrote:

Well but I never said anything about his size...

Sorry but, you did post that he was not big enough for DE.

"MaddMatt wrote:

Thanks, #91 was the one I was looking for. Anyone want to question his conditioning, face to face? LOL

I mean I'm just saying I got a lot of hope for him
but he has not proved as much as EVERYONE says, including ESPN
he needs to show he can bring it every play as a starter and defend against the run, just cause he can blitz doesnt mean its a one sided game
and believe it or not, a lot of NFL players look like that...some do it with roids, but still haha

"sergiomiguel2 wrote:

I mean I'm just saying I got a lot of hope for him
but he has not proved as much as EVERYONE says, including ESPN
he needs to show he can bring it every play as a starter and defend against the run, just cause he can blitz doesnt mean its a one sided game
and believe it or not, a lot of NFL players look like that...some do it with roids, but still haha

It's not the body, it's the face that I was talkin about. :mad:

"MaddMatt wrote:

It's not the body, it's the face that I was talkin about. :mad:

oh haha

and about me saying hes not big enough for a DE...well for a 4-3 he can be...just like u said about Jason Taylor

but as a 3-4 End??? no way!!!!

so I see him as that 3-4 OLB in Nolans system that kinda lines up like a 4-3 end who usually blitzes

"sergiomiguel2 wrote:

oh haha

and about me saying hes not big enough for a DE...well for a 4-3 he can be...just like u said about Jason Taylor

but as a 3-4 End??? no way!!!!

so I see him as that 3-4 OLB in Nolans system that kinda lines up like a 4-3 end who usually blitzes

OK, now we are on the same page. Wake has A LOT to learn vs the run, and in coverage, to be a starting OLB.

However, in Nolan's system, he has much more talent than Dumerville, and could have 15 or more sacks. We shall see.