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Campbell Not Chuffed

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 9, 2016.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Wants to win at all times, he lost, should he have a cupcake in consolation?
     
  3. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Id be upset too. However the team didn't owe it to him.
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Why wouldn't he be mad if he felt he was given a fair shot?
     
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  5. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    he doesn't know when to go for it on 4th down to win a game. it took him 6 weeks to fire the OC who didn't want to run the ball when HE the HC wanted to run the ball. why the hell should he think he should get the job? he showed what he has isn't HC material.
     
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  6. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    Of course the team is gonna say all the right things about him, they still want him on staff. Wouldn't blame him if he gave them a big ole Texas **** You and left for greener pastures.
     
  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Guess he should have done a better job with the opportunity given to him.

    Would have loved to hear his approach for moving forward though, who he had lined up for a staff etc. etc. because he clearly wasn't going to do it on his own.
     
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  8. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    love the guy, but he isnt ready to be a hc
     
  9. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Expecting Campbell to get dressed using someone else's luggage is asking alot
     
  10. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There's plenty of mistakes he made along the way that had nothing to do with the rest of the staff...
     
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  11. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can understand the reaction, but he clearly didn't earn the job and he should be able to figure out why. He needs to get over it.
     
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  12. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Of course. There is mistakes every single game by every single head coach. The more experience, the less those types of mistakes.

    Gase is going to take over and have the exact type of mistakes are Campbell did last year. It's part of every new coaches learning curve.


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  13. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, we're not talking about the same kinds of mistakes then, clearly.
     
  14. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Name one of your kind of mistakes?
     
  15. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I had posted this in the Club... then CK came along and blew me out of the water and expanded on it exponentially... If he wants to come along and share that post, I'll leave that up to him. But below the surface, there's many glaring issues... too many to have even considered him at this point.

    Think of it this way as well... if, or when he leaves here, what kind of job is he going to get? An OC position? Highly unlikely. At best he's back to a TE coach, and maybe, maybe Assistant HC title to learn for a few years. Gase is lightvyears ahead of him in being at least somewhat ready to be a HC.
     
  16. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    Why is being an OC position important for a quality head coach?

    I agree Campbell made mistakes. So many mistakes where, originally I said I would ride out the mistakes with Campbell and changed my mind. Because I thought there were far too many mistakes.

    Campbell just strikes me as the guy that would learn quickly. I dont know. Either way, if he gets a head coaching position soon, it wont be with us. So the point is moot.
     
  17. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Didn't know chuffed was a word, thanks...I am chuffed with this thread.
     
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  18. brandon27

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    I never said it was important to be an OC first? I just said, what role is he likely going to get? Nobody in the NFL would make him their head coach right now. Nobody would even consider it. Why should we settle, just because we think something might be there because he's a "motivator"? Great. Motivate away. Look what it got us this year in his time? Sure... a decent plan may have been to stick him with a top notch OC and DC as I said, but that still leaves alot to be desired based on what HE showed this year as head coach with his decisions.

    I just think Gase is vastly more experienced and qualified than people are giving him credit for. The guy's been in football over half his life, coaching in various roles since 2000, that's 15 years. This is hardly an inexperienced guy as some are saying.

    you're right though, moot point in the end.

    I just want to win some damn games!
     
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  19. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    It's a different story when you are the head coach. A completely different story.

    I agree with your last sentence 100%.


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  20. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes, it is completely different. But, lets be honest. All Dan Campbell could really provide as HC is motivation... He really doesn't offer much from a X's and O's standpoint. That doesnt help much.

    That's why I like the Gase signing. He wasn't my first choice, but he's an X's and O's guy, he apparently leads by example with his work ethic, and preperation. People worry how the team will respond because he may not be as aggressive as Campbell, but football players know football. When you have a coach like Gase, who's up to his elbows in the gameplanning aspect by all accounts by his former players, that's going to come across in the locker room. Guys are going to respect him, and follow him because it's obvious he knows what he's doing from a football standpoint. That's how he's going to gain respect first. Secondly, it will likely be how he relates to players... at least that's how I see it playing out. It's of course impossible for us to know though, because we don't know the man, or his personality in the room. But he's well respected by some of the games great coaches, and players. So... it's not a stretch to think he can handle it.

    That beign said, I do worry a bit that maybe he's biting off more than he can chew with first time HC duties, AND playcalling. He better had a damn good assistant down there with him to help him with game management/clock management so he can focus on the playcalling.
     
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  21. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    He absolutely is the type of guy that would learn quickly. Dan showed a lot of resolve despite being thrust into a position that he wasn't prepared for and with a staff that was not of his selecting. He did what he had to do at the time. It was a bad situation to be put into, and I highly doubt many other coaches would have gone 5-7 in this situation.

    Dan had to know the deck was stacked against him from the beginning, and that's why he is pissed. He was never given a fair shot to state what he would do differently. The guy is a potential star as a head coach, and Miami is going to let him go much like Todd Bowles back in 2012.
     
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  22. brandon27

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    He wasn't? Hmm... because I'm pretty sure he got an interview this week to do just that...

    but... uh.. ok.
     
  23. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    When the "coaching search" guys have already decided that they are hiring Adam Gase BEFORE they interview you and give you a fair chance, you aren't getting a fair chance.
     
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  24. brandon27

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    Whatever you say, I guess.

    So they interviewed Campbell and 5 other guys for fun I guess. Ok. Be bitter about it all you want, but making stuff up like this is a bit crazy IMO.

    Maybe, just maybe, they interviewed Gase, and were blown away, and interviewed Campbell and were left with the same bitter taste in their mouths they were left with after watching his performance as interim head coach... Or does that not fit what you want to portray?
     
  25. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Dan got an interview out of courtesy.

    You want to act like x's and o's acumen is a major characteristic of a head coach. It isn't. Mike Tomlin has one year of experience as a defensive coordinator. He's the ultimate delegator as a head coach. John Harbaugh is a delegator. They let their assistant's coach. Bill Cowher, who said Dan reminded him a lot of himself as a young coach was a delegator.
     
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  26. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    I just don't see parallels between Bowles and Campbell. I didn't really see improvement in the team aside from like 2-3 games. Everything else and we may have had Philbin still. Bowles however was already regarded well and performed well in his audition. I just do not get the Campbell love at all.
     
  27. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Dan's interview was scheduled before Adams.

    What did Dan do well this year? I know I briefly, and CK in detail showed the things he DIDNT to well, so lets hear it, what did he do well? There's really not much to choose from? What did he delegate well? How did he demonstrate that as a good characteristic? The decisions he made, that you can directly attribute to him while watching the games were dreadful. Ok, so it's not his hand picked staff... But it's his staff. He's the head guy. Make use of the guys you have. He failed there as well. Lazor went rogue, and what did he do? Stood by and watched until he got permission to fire him. He's all bark, no bite. The team was a complete, unprofessional mess under his watch. They did whatever they wanted.

    I think in time, with experience, I agree, he's likely going to be a good HC candidate. It's just not right now. Not even close. He's not ready. Gase is far more ready based on his resume. I don't disagree with you that he might be a good coach, but it's just too far out to roll the dice.

    That being said... who knows what he even proposed in his interview? It's obvious a cohesive staff was the key in this search. Who knows what Cambells plan was for a staff. As I've said, and you've basically said, he needs a solid OC and DC. Because he's going to be nothing more than a motivator, and delegator. So, maybe his presentation during his interview just didn't inspire the search committe the way Gase's vision did.

    I mean, there's a hundred reasons why Cambell didn't get this job... not the pre-conceived notion that you want to run with that they'd already made up their minds before Cambells interview. I'm sure if Campbell had a "knock your socks off" plan, they may have rolled the dice, but apparently he didn't. Not sure why we need to try and insinuate it was anything more than that... nobody really knows.
     
  28. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    CK's post was largely bull****.

    The first change was the buy in. This team bought into what Dan Campbell was doing from the very beginning. He immediately made things more physical on the players, and they responded. With Joe, Miami doesn't beat down Tennessee and a playoff team in Houston like they did. Dan did an excellent job of connecting with the team and becoming that leader figure they had lacked.

    You act like Dan should have been able to come in after 4 games and make sweeping changes, completely changing the offensive and defensive systems without having the advantage of an off season to install the new system.

    What did Dan in was two fold. He had a poor coaching staff where he really couldn't promote from within and get anyone truly effective, and there were too many holes in the talent on the roster. In fact, I saw a coaching metric the other day that took the offensive and defensive numbers put up under Joe and compared it to the numbers put up under Dan with both extrapolated over the coarse of a full season. This team with Dan Campbell at head coach would have doubled the expected win total they had under Joe.
     
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  29. brandon27

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    Largely bull****... in your opinion.

    But there's a reason he was passed over for the job...

    Great, so Dan brought a more physical approach... Which really didn't do much for us. He had no control over anything. Lazor did whatever he pleased, Cambell stood by and watched.

    Look man, it's a lost cause. You're going to argue to the death on it. I get it, he got a raw deal. I'm not going to deny that. I'm not sayign he should have taken us to the super bowl. However, he was a hell of a long ways from making an impact on this team that warranted him getting the job, unless he blew everyone away in his interview, which he apparently didnt do compared to Gase. It's really that simple.
     
  30. padre31

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    And Mr Gase's QED's are..exactly...what..to be a Head Coach?
     
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    Exactly, look at things this way, Campbell beat the Ravens, beat the Texans, and beat the Patriots in a must win for them, this after taking over in season..and firing his DC and OC, 3-1 vs playoff teams

    Of course, let us not look at him as HC take the fuzzy cheeked boy scout, who has not lead a troop of brownies into a game and beaten an opponent that was massively a favorite.

    Instead of respecting what Campbell accomplished, or even offering stability in a sense from Shanny or Marron..oh no

    ESBAM, at least the Panthers are well run...Miami appears to have a Goat Orgy inbound, as per usual.

    I've compared THill to Cutler, semi seriously.....
     
  32. brandon27

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    He's spent 18 years, of his 37 on this planet working in football. 15 of those 18 coaching in some capacity at the college, or NFL level. An OC for several years. Highly regarded by guys like Saban, Martz, Fox, Manning, Cutler and several other players... Just do some research... You dont have to be a HC previously to succeed. Just look at the playoff coaches this year... Tomlin wasn't a HC before he was hired. Nor was Zimmer. Nor was Obrien, pretty sure Rivera wasn't either... people start somehwere. Gase has a pretty strong track record... not as a head coach, but it's strong regardless.

    He wasn't my first choice, or second for that matter probably, but the reasons as to why he's the choice are there.
     
  33. brandon27

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    Wow, because the Texans are a great team right? You saw them get blown out today right?. Kind of like when we blew them out? They're not a team to brag about beating.

    The Ravens? You want to hang Dan's hat on beating them this year? Really?

    The Pats in a "must win"? A game which they admitted they didnt care if they won or lost, and a game which their game plan sure didn't look like they cared much about winning.

    So, Houston, and Baltimore were massively favorites?

    Holy hell... I need to get out of here for the night. This is ridiculous.
     
  34. KB21

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    Did you even pay attention to what I just said, or are you still going to continue this bull**** crusade that Dan didn't do much? The team responded enough to Dan Campbell that they would have doubled the expected win total they had during the first 4 games under Joe. This is with a poor staff and the holes that this team has on the roster.

    So, what Miami has essentially done is move on from a great in house candidate for the job that we know connects well with the players and has already looked at the mistakes he made as an interim and identified what he will do differently to hire a guy who is the "group think" candidate of the possibilities this off season. Adam Gase is being hired because he is considered to be this young offensive wunderkind, and that's really it. John Elway calls him a genius and passes over him to hire Gary Kubiak, who is not a very good coach.
     
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    Still better then Gase's resume..keep that in mind
     
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  36. brandon27

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    :lol: ok.
     
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  37. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    You know what Dan Campbell was doing from the time he was 18 till the time he was around 33 years old? He was PLAYING the game of football at the college and NFL level. He was a leader on the field and in the locker room.
     
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    Well aware of that thanks. Still, quite a bit different from coaching.

    I'll step out for the night, and allow you to continue your Campbell crusade though.

    The guy struggled, got passed over. It is what it is. For the record. Gase wasn't my #1 choice either. I'd have preferred Jackson or Shanahan, maybe even Mike Smith but I can see why they chose Gase. Whether that works or not, remains to be seen. IMO though, all 3 of those guys, were better choices than Campbell based on what we saw. Again, I'm not saying he cant improve, of course he can, and likely will... but at this point in time... I just don't support that as an option. I do respect the opinion though, but in the position we are in, with a struggle young QB, under contract that we're tied to, or potentially drafting another this year (depending of course on the FO's direction) Gase is a better choice than Campbell at this point in time IMO

    It is what it is. I just dont think there's a need for all the negativity around the hire, that's all. I'm not a huge fan of it, but I can understand it.

    With that... I'm moving on. I respect your opinions although I don't agree. :ffic:
     
  39. tirty8

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    I honestly feel bad for DC. He was not the answer, but he did an admirable job with Philbin's mess. He could very easily be a good head coach someday, but he is not ready.

    I despise Gase. I think he was a terrible hire, but DC has to go. There is no need to create a divided locker room.
     
  40. Alex13

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    your posts....oh man....so hard to read...but this is another topic....so we beat the ****less ravens and texans..did you saw what KC did with them yesterday ? also the patriots by no means was a MUST win game.

    what exactly did Campbell accomplish ? Dallas Thomas was still the LG of this team, Lamar Miller did not got the ball...so if you talking about trying to get Ryan Tannehill killed and pissing off FA Lamar Miller just as the previous regime did...well N O C H A N G E
     

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