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Careful: New England still dangerous even without Gronk

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Neuron, Dec 9, 2013.

  1. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    I know many people look at Gronk's injury and say New England is vulnerable but not so fast. Again Tom Brady showed why he is Tom Brady with over 400 yards passing in the second half and two TDs, regardless of the pass interference call, he still led them back. And he has done that for the past three or four games which shows a resilient and mentally tough football team and so gives them a mentality of being un-beatable which will make them even more dangerous heading into the post season. My thing is and has always been is that as long as Tom and Bill are at the helm it is going to be a challenge both offensively and defensively for any team they face. Now lets look at what is left which is actually a lot on the offense of the Patriots. The past two games young wide receivers Aaron Dobson and Kenbrell Thompkins haven't even played and are both much improved from the beginning of the season and have gained Tom Brady's trust.. two very talented young receivers in that offense and both should be back for this game. Additionally, receiver Julian Edelman is currently ranked 7th in the league in receiving and has some pretty good numbers both inside and outside the slot and Danny Amendola and Austin Collie of course, are healthy and have only been quiet due to Julian Edelman's rise in productivity but they can both play with anybody when their name is called. Rookie Josh Boyce has gotten some very good opportunities with Dobson and Thompkin's injuries and looks pretty good, especially in space. He has become a factor in the passing game of the Patriots as well as fullback/H-back James Develin who looks to have some good hands and underrated route running skills. And last but not least, the running game of course with Ridley, Vereen, Blount and Bolden remains one of the most efficient in the league especially with the no huddle offense. LeGarrette Blount has really turned it up, Ridley is explosive as long as he doesn't fumble, Bolden can start on most teams and Vereen can kill you in the passing game better then most receivers can in the NFL. Also keep eyes on Michael Hoomanawanui, an H-Back/TE who is underrated in the vertical passing game. Against Seattle last year he had 5 receptions for 129 yards. He simply needs to be targeted more. Defensively, sure they are missing pieces but they make the timely stops, sacks and interceptions when they need them the most. CB Aqib Talib is still recovering from his injury and is getting healthier and healthier each week and the other players on that defense are underrated and are getting better and better as the post season approaches. They made Peyton Manning look very mortal a few weeks ago. All in all, this thread is meant to warn people that YOU WOULD be foolish to compare the Cleveland game and how it was another clutch comeback from behind win along with Gronk going down and say "this will be easier". Only an idiot would believe that when dealing with a Bill Belichick and Tom Brady led team. Its not like those two aren't elite and first ballot hall of famers because they are. They are still the best at what they do, and know how to get players to raise their play when others go down. There is still a plethora of weapons on that offense and growing players on the defense, under world class leadership, teaching and direction. That's why they are still the biggest threat to Denver and still a mighty tough task for the Dolphins. God bless and take care and hope you have a great day. Very Respectfully, Neuron
     
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  2. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Vereen is the only one I'm worried about.

    EDIT: Only *non-zebra
     
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  3. Rhody Phins Fan

    Rhody Phins Fan Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. He's basically a wide receiver who is going to be covered by linebackers. He had 15 targets last week.
     
  4. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Tell that to the Cleveland who fell victim to Julian Edelman, and Danny Amendola late in that game. And I still say that's very good considering both Dobson and Thompkins weren't playing.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Welcome to our board..

    No one here is saying much to the contrary, a lot of have great respect for your Qb, he's proven he is the system and can win with anyone at his disposal..

    This year you are using your backs as receivers, amendola and eddleman are very good at the horizontal game, and of course your coach is excellent and motivating his players to execute at a high level.

    But, it's your Qb that makes it all happen, and if we can pressure him, your team isn't as strong as our team.
     
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  6. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Gonna be hard on Brady to throw from his back.

    The Best DL in the NFL will have their statement game this sunday.
     
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  7. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    We aren't Cleveland.
     
  8. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Thank you for the welcome.
     
  9. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    I'm worried about these guys...

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  10. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Look, in the 80's and 90's when we had Marino, we were ALWAYS in games and could never be counted out... The same can be said for Brady and NE....long as they have Brady, pretty much the rest don't count... They've had a lot of injuries this year with Willfork, Mayo, etc out but lest we not forget that Gronk missed the first 8 games of the season, and they were doing what they usually do, winning games...

    No one here really thinks the pasties are out of anything until the season ends and they are sitting at home somewhere...when I see that, I'll believe they are done...
     
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  11. Not So Fast

    Not So Fast Well-Known Member

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    Damn, wall of text. Some paragraphs are desperately needed
     
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  12. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    BTW...welcome to the board...
     
  13. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ;).....no, we're not Pat fan.
     
  14. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    The funny thing and this I say in respect to the highest degree, but everybody says "its going to be hard for Brady to throw on his back" but yet when the game is actually played either that doesn't happen, or he gets sacked 5 or 6 times but still moves the ball, throws for touchdowns and wins the game.
     
  15. GMJohnson

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    W/o Gronkowski Brady doesn't scare me at all. Let's see if he can top 150 yards passing this time around.
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    They needed an onside kick and a bogus pass interference penalty to beat the browns at home..

    What happened in that game for the game to come down to that?

    Our defense and offense are playing their best ball...our special teams suck though, we have no return game, and our kicker has a demon..
     
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  17. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    We already played NE once. The zebras were more than heavily involved in the pats win that game. The swatting ball call was still the most ridiculous call in any game all season. We will be fine. We can make an equal thread that says dont underestimate our d line. 90% of us have been calling for a split with the pats since preseason. I have zero doubt in my mind that this is a phins win. In our house, with a stupid amount of momentum and confidence. The pats are a great team. But anyone with eyes can still see they would have 2 or 3 less wins with better officiating. .. or maybe I should say competent officiating in the crunch.
     
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  18. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Are you serious dude? I am a respectable fan and peaceful fan but that's stupid. You act like he isn't an elite quarterback and a top 3 and you know darn well he is. So what would make you think he can't top 150 yards when most average quarterbacks can top that? >:( he was Tom Brady and a top quarterback BEFORE Gronk so what make you think he is not after Gronk.
     
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  19. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I firmly believe the Patriots are cheating again somehow, not even kidding. Bill Belichick is a great coach, but the second half adjustments (especially against Denver and Houston) are just too suspicious. I just hope whatever it is they are doing only works in their home stadium. Call me crazy but this team is up to no good again.
     
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  20. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Because he only threw for 100 in game 1??? And our d is playing a lot hungrier now.
     
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  21. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    I'm not underestimating your line but don't underestimate an elite superbowl champion quarterback and first ballot hall of famer. He has played against some pretty elite defensive lines and won. You guys have to go into this game realizing that its still Tom Brady. Tom Brady is still the Tom Brady of old, and no difference. Meaning, he is great enough where he doesn't need refs to win a game for him because he has been shredding defenses and winning games without refs for 14 years now. You guys are a good football team, but he has played against better teams and beaten them in their house.
     
  22. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    OMG dude, really? He is an ELITE QB just like Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. Trust me, he can get 150 yards passing. That's all I'm saying, this is getting stupid. I'm trying to discuss reasonable football about two good teams. And I understand your defense is playing a lot hungrier but damn, we must be playing the 1972 dolphins now :/
     
  23. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    We have only allowed one passing TD all year until we gave up a few yesterday to the Steelers. We will be back to usual in that regards. No TDs for Brady. He might even ve carted off the field.
     
  24. dWreck

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    Gonna go out on a limb and assume you won't acknowledge the bad calls this year that have gift wrapped some BS wins for you. I dont care if jesus is your QB. I said he is great. That doesnt mean your record is what it is due to heavy zebra influence. This year. The pats are not winning in MIA this weekend
     
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  25. slickj101

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    Na, he's not the Tom Brady of old. He's still elite but he's a little slower (if that was possible), a little more insecure in the pocket and his body is def more beaten up. Still a great player but he's not what he was a few years ago, imo.

    He struggled without Gronk and it'll continue the rest of the year. Sure, he'll always be competitive but you're kidding yourselves if you think losing Gronk won't effect Brady and the rest of that offense dramatically.
     
  26. dWreck

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    Lol.. right.. logic dictates that since he threw for a mere 100 yards in game 1.. he is going to throw for 500 yds and 6 tds in game 2 against the same team. Just because.
     
  27. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    In which quarter?
     
  28. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Zebra influence.. whatever, excuses. Every single team in the league gets calls either against them or for them. And how many times has Tom beaten Miami before Gronk was even in the NFL? Even before Moss and before Welker?
     
  29. Neuron

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    Let me complete that for you, just because he makes weapons around him and elevates the level of play in his receivers because that's what great quarterbacks like him do. And when dealing with a team like this, numbers mean nothing and what happened in the first matchup also means nothing. How do you know they won't go shotgun, 4 receiver spread and start slicing and dicing your defense now, and line up in power formation and ram in down your throats on the ground.. they could aways do something different this time around.
     
  30. jsizzle

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    2 words....

    batted fumble.

    Not even close.
     
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  31. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Will continue to struggle? So he needs Gronk to be an elite quarterback, let me ask you this, what was his record before Gronk came back?????? 7-1
    2004 - starting receivers David Patten (average journey man), David Givens (sunk in TEN), Deion Branch (did nothing in Seattle in 06 after leaving the team), and Troy Brown great player but was 33 years old.. starting running backs Corey Dillon and Kevin Faulk. Dillon rushed for 1,000 yards, but so did Ridley last year, for a matter a fact, Ridley rushed for over 1,200 yards and LeGarrette Blount is a former 1,000 yard rusher himself, so that's actually two guys. Shane Vereen looks like a better version of Kevin Faulk 2004 - Defense, Ty Law was hurt for the entire year, Roosevelt Colvin - hurt, Rodney Harrison was knicked up but still played, Eugene Wilson - 50% still played, Richard Seymour missed some games.. but in the end Lombardi Trophy was hoisted..
     
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  32. invid

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  33. jpep13

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    They still have that Brady guy. We must take him out!
     
  34. jpep13

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    stop the screen pass coyle
     
  35. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Here is a fact to think about, I'm 9-0 in bets this year, and I made a bet with my co-worker that we will put up at least 35 points against Miami.. so I'll make that 10-0 after this Sunday.. Julian Edelman102 yards, TD, Danny Amendola 80yards TD, Shane Vereen 124 yards TD, Stevan Ridley, LeGarrette Blount combine for 80yards and a touchdown, CB Logan Ryans returns one for a pick six, making that his 5 INT and 2nd INT TD. And Tom gets it back after a strip sack by OLB/DE Rob Ninkovich in the 4th quarterback .. because that's how we roll, clutch BOSTON style..
     
  36. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    How do we take out the refs?
     
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    LOL, kids. You know I love them!
     
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  38. Ronnie Bass

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    Look it's a troll after all.
     
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  39. Neuron

    Neuron New Member

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    Relax, I'm just having a little fun if you haven't notice. I'm not a troll, just love getting a little reaction that's all, just a little fun. Seriously this should be a great game. Good luck to you guys.
     
  40. Limbo

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    I'm shocked the Pats have won 10 games with all the injuries they've had. It makes me ill as well.

    You can only endure so many injuries. Wilfork, Gronk, and Mayo are pro-bowlers you just can't replace, not to mention Wilfork's backup being done too. I think Gronk's injury will be the one to break the camel's back here.

    If we can't beat this Pats team, we should be ashamed, imo. We haven't beaten them since 2009 for chrissakes, this better be the time we do it. Sick of it.
     

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