Casey Anthony..acquitted

Didn't follow the trial very closely, but from what I gathered there really wasn't much physical evidence of murder.

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"Stringer Bell wrote:

Didn't follow the trial very closely, but from what I gathered there really wasn't much physical evidence of murder.

There was solid evidence, just not a lot that tied Casey Anthony directly to the murder. Duct tape over someone's mouth is a pretty strong indication they were murdered.

The problem is, because 30 days passed after she murdered her kid, then it was even longer until they found the body, too much time had passed to determine cause of death, and a lot of potential evidence was lost.

The bitch got lucky.

State made a mistake in pushing 1st degree/death penalty. They could never prove intent and therefore couldn't prove murder. The defense basically admitted to child neglect.

While she probably had something to do with Caylee's death (even it was just an accident) I definitely don't believe the state proved its case beyond a reasonable doubt

To be clear, imo from afar it appears Casey Anthony is at de minimis a hoochie, at de maximus a psycho path, she makes my skin crawl tbh about it, however there is a huge leap from that, to "guilty of murder", there was simply not the basis for a conviction on the charges.

Will also point out that for those who think she got off "free", even acquitted this will haunt her for the rest of her life, the way I see it the only difference is whether or not she dwells on this in prison, or out and about, either way though there are no truly "free" passes.

"padre31 wrote:

To be clear, imo from afar it appears Casey Anthony is at de minimis a hoochie, at de maximus a psycho path, she makes my skin crawl tbh about it, however there is a huge leap from that, to "guilty of murder", there was simply not the basis for a conviction on the charges.

Will also point out that for those who think she got off "free", even acquitted this will haunt her for the rest of her life, the way I see it the only difference is whether or not she dwells on this in prison, or out and about, either way though there are no truly "free" passes.

I'm sure it will be haunting her while she sells the rights to her story for book and movie deals.

"GISH wrote:

I'm sure it will be haunting her while she sells the rights to her story for book and movie deals.

Won't matter, the mind she is a cruel mistress Gish.

Put it this way, how would anyone like to relive the death their child over and over for the rest of your life?

Now consider "you" had a role in their death.

Sounds fun.

Porn is calling her name.

I don't understand how she was not guilty for child abuse and/or manslaughter, didn't the defense say she "drowned"? I didn't follow too close but that's what it seemed. She definitely got lucky, it's obvious she did it but there was little actual evidence. She got some of OJ's luck. I don't see how an innocent person wouldn't report their child missing for 31 days, and it would have been longer if her mom didn't call the cops. She just partied and lied and pretended her daughter was alive.

She probably chloroformed her, and kept her in the trunk which smelled rotten and had traces of chloroform in it, which was also searched on Casey's computer on how to make it something like 80 times. Hopefully she will rot in a ditch as a drug addict. Who would hire her for a job? Though she'll probably get a book deal. Also hope she neverhas another child. The last time someone in such a high profile case couldn't be convicted because a lack of evidence in the natalie holloway case, he went on and killed someone else. (Joran vander slot or however it's spelled).

First comes the book. Then comes the made for TV movie. Then comes the playboy cover once she runs out of that money. Then comes the tabloids. Then comes the drug addiction. Then comes the sex tape. Then she dies of an OD.

"Dolphins1Beatles wrote:

I don't understand how she was not guilty for child abuse and/or manslaughter, didn't the defense say she "drowned"? I didn't follow too close but that's what it seemed. She definitely got lucky, it's obvious she did it but there was little actual evidence. She got some of OJ's luck. I don't see how an innocent person wouldn't report their child missing for 31 days, and it would have been longer if her mom didn't call the cops. She just partied and lied and pretended her daughter was alive.

She probably chloroformed her, and kept her in the trunk which smelled rotten and had traces of chloroform in it, which was also searched on Casey's computer on how to make it something like 80 times. Hopefully she will rot in a ditch as a drug addict. Who would hire her for a job? Though she'll probably get a book deal. Also hope she neverhas another child. The last time someone in such a high profile case couldn't be convicted because a lack of evidence in the natalie holloway case, he went on and killed someone else. (Joran vander slot or however it's spelled).

If she chloroformed her how was there not a single trace found anywhere but inside the trunk? So your theory really makes no sense. The physical evidence in this case was weak. There was no smoking gun. My guess is it was some sort of accident and Caylee died. Casey put her in the trunk and tossed her in the woods. Went off to party for a month like nothing happened and made up a bogus story. That was why she convicted of false information to police. They didn't supply enough hard evidence to convict her on those charges. The judge set heavy instructions on reasonable doubt and the state's burden of proof. The state couldn't prove it.

Simply put...not beyond a reasonable doubt....its crazy, but the prosecution sucked! Found it quite dramatic that her parents ran out of the courtroom, they were cleary disturbed by the verdict.

"aesop wrote:

First comes the book. Then comes the made for TV movie. Then comes the playboy cover once she runs out of that money. Then comes the tabloids. Then comes the drug addiction. Then comes the sex tape. Then she dies of an OD.

Think of Tonya Harding...only much much more drastic.

DA Retiring, anyone have a sword he can fall upon?

Simply put the state didn't prove their case. People can piss and moan all they want, but if anyone of use was on trial for a crime we'd all cling to the hope that the case needs to prove the case, and not the media. I listened to nearly the entire trial, and while I feel she's guilty there's no way in hell I'd have convicted her on the body of evidence put forth.

"padre31 wrote:

To be clear, imo from afar it appears Casey Anthony is at de minimis a hoochie, at de maximus a psycho path, she makes my skin crawl tbh about it, however there is a huge leap from that, to "guilty of murder", there was simply not the basis for a conviction on the charges.

Will also point out that for those who think she got off "free", even acquitted this will haunt her for the rest of her life, the way I see it the only difference is whether or not she dwells on this in prison, or out and about, either way though there are no truly "free" passes.

Sociopaths dont feel guilt padre.

"padre31 wrote:

This was no surprise for me at least, and her acquittal was not due to some great lawyer craft on the part of Baez her attorney.

What it boiled down to was putting "Action" to "Outcome", the DA's office simply did not effectively show what happened, where it happened, and state of mind when it happened.

Thoughts?

It really bugs me that Baez might be thought of as a great lawyer due to this. His arguments from what I have heard were pretty strong. His theory of the case seems to me to have unnecessarily put his client in danger and looked to me like he was trying to draw attention to himself to the detriment of his client at several points. I didn't pay attention until people started asking me about his defense, so I really don't know what the prosecutor proved. I will say playing catch up that I think the error was in suggesting this was a first degree murder. I think I would have pushed for a felony murder in the course of child abuse theory if I understand their evidence right. The problem is that people would have been PISSED they didn't go for death and the prosecutor is likely elected in Florida just like any other state. It may be politically favorable to lose like this versus getting a felony murder conviction and have an uprising about why she isn't getting the needle.

It was a really tough case to make, I'm sure. I am satisfied the system worked as designed and they didn't prove the case to the jury's definition of a reasonable doubt.

"padre31 wrote:

Won't matter, the mind she is a cruel mistress Gish.

Put it this way, how would anyone like to relive the death their child over and over for the rest of your life?

Now consider "you" had a role in their death.

Sounds fun.

Yeah, but this bitch is crazy.

"Jimmy James wrote:

It really bugs me that Baez might be thought of as a great lawyer due to this. His arguments from what I have heard were pretty strong. His theory of the case seems to me to have unnecessarily put his client in danger and looked to me like he was trying to draw attention to himself to the detriment of his client at several points. I didn't pay attention until people started asking me about his defense, so I really don't know what the prosecutor proved. I will say playing catch up that I think the error was in suggesting this was a first degree murder. I think I would have pushed for a felony murder in the course of child abuse theory if I understand their evidence right. The problem is that people would have been PISSED they didn't go for death and the prosecutor is likely elected in Florida just like any other state. It may be politically favorable to lose like this versus getting a felony murder conviction and have an uprising about why she isn't getting the needle.

It was a really tough case to make, I'm sure. I am satisfied the system worked as designed and they didn't prove the case to the jury's definition of a reasonable doubt.

Same here, I rarely pay attention to media driven "celebatrials" but from what I did watch it looked like the DA was floundering and trying to make a jumbalaya of a case, toss in "oh, she went out partying!" and "a fellow inmate used the same defense!" and it seemed to me to be simply a listless case on their part with not enough evidence to really direct anyone, let alone the Jury, or even the alternate juror, to convict her of murder.

To me, the jury did a good job of ignoring the tawdry stuff and just looking at the evidence itself.

Anyone else think Atty Baez looks a little like Hugo Chavez?

Hearing the alternate jurors interview was interesting. Motive seemed to be a big issue for the jury.

The problem that the prosecution had was that Casey, while she may be a kook, had no history of violence, abuse, etc. The leap from childish mom who relies on her parents too much to cold blooded pre-meditated killer is a pretty big leap.

"Killerphins wrote:

If she chloroformed her how was there not a single trace found anywhere but inside the trunk? So your theory really makes no sense. The physical evidence in this case was weak. There was no smoking gun. My guess is it was some sort of accident and Caylee died. Casey put her in the trunk and tossed her in the woods. Went off to party for a month like nothing happened and made up a bogus story.

They found duct tape over her mouth.

I'd say that makes more sense when you're trying to kill someone, not when you're simply disposing of a body.

Physical evidence isn't the end-all, be-all when you're talking theories. A friend's daughter disappeared without a trace from the UF campus 22 years ago. They're pretty sure she was kidnapped and murdered.

Why the hell would there be chloroform ANYWHERE around this woman or her property? Much less in the trunk of her car, which six different witnesses said -- unmistakably -- "smelled like death". And why would she Google search it 84 times (or visit the page, can't recall)?

Plain and simple, this case was pretty f'ed up and anthony did enough song and dance, my suspicion along with the parents, to mess up the case.
My only hope is that those who are upset at the outcome of the Casey Anthony trial, remember that rage when she publishes her book and does her 20/20 interview. But they won't, and they'll end up supporting her financially.

"Muck wrote:

They found duct tape over her mouth.

I'd say that makes more sense when you're trying to kill someone, not when you're simply disposing of a body.

Physical evidence isn't the end-all, be-all when you're talking theories. A friend's daughter disappeared without a trace from the UF campus 22 years ago. They're pretty sure she was kidnapped and murdered.

Why the hell would there be chloroform ANYWHERE around this woman or her property? Much less in the trunk of her car, which six different witnesses said -- unmistakably -- "smelled like death". And why would she Google search it 84 times (or visit the page, can't recall)?

It wasn't enough Muck. It was all too scattered and assumed. Sure there were some things that looked like it was murder I do agree. I see your angle on the chloroform and what you did there but to prove the how they would have needed to find chloroform somewhere else besides the trunk and there was not even a trace. The jury didn't believe the why and the when was never determined let alone proven.
IMO either Casey didn't commit murder or she pulled off the perfect crime. We rarely see the latter.