Chad Henne's Development As A QB Still On Track

I disagree about the Marshall Steelers throw. I thought it was a back shoulder fade. And when you have the advantage Marshall did, then on that play there should of been a softer touch and higher trajectory. At least there you give him a chance, whereas in your case just missing means he has to be perfect and doesn't give Marshall a chance.

 

If Kyle Orton is Henne's ceiling, is that good enough for you?

I'm not saying it is or isn't, I'm just curious as to your thoughts.

 

Henne is rushing the ball inside the 10yd line, that is plain as the sun at noon on a cloudless day.

 

Assuming we're using this season's Kyle Orton (through 8 games) as the barometer, absolutely.

 

Darn I was really hoping for some props on the Boy Meets Girl name drop...haha

Waiting for a star to fall...

 

Do you think this is really Kyle Orton or is it just a fluke?

I lean towards fluke, but you never know.

 

Broncos also run 3 Wr sets and do not run the ball very well, they pass more than they run and play in a poor division, that leads to inflated stats and a 2-6 record.

Stats don't mean a thing, it is about winning.

 

I saw no mention of Topanga.

I think it's really him. McDaniels' offense is obviously a good fit for Orton too.

Even if it were a fluke, that would mean he'd be somewhere between last year and this year, which isn't all that bad either.

 

Then by that token Jay Fiedler was a great QB.

I agree that stats don't tell the whole story, but a QB's skill set is important. Jay fiedler won alot of games, but you were always looking to replace him.

 

Henne inside the red zone- 58% comp, 5 TD, 1 INT

Bradford inside the red zone- 52% comp, 11 TD, 1 INT

Flacco inside the red zone- 46% comp, 6 TD, 0 INT

Also, you guys realize that the Rams score less points than us, gain less yards and Bradford has less yards than Henne, right?

 

We've scored 143 points, the Rams have scoed 140. That's the same basically.

Bradford's at 1,694, Henne at 1900 and their ratings are within 3 points of each other.

I don't know how many of STL's scores are from defense/ST but I do know you need to take away 7 from our total for the defensive score against Minny.

 

You notice that Henne has 5 Td only right?

He has 8 Td's 8 interceptions and is a career .500 winning percent Qb.

What more would it take to say "Henne is just an average qb?"

That is why the running game has to step things up because if we wait on Henne, the Dolphins will wait themselves to a 8-8 record..the epitome of mediocrity.

 

I have no problem saying Henne is just an average QB.

 

you messed up on his interception number.

 

And his career winning %, so let's just call it even.

 

No, no I did not.

The NFL may count the B$ stealers game int, that does not mean I must.

 

That's never going to happen for any QB. Marino had throws he'd like back every game, so did Montana. I think back to the SB win over Cincy and that game winning TD pass. On the play right before that, Montana threw a pass he'd like to have back right into the defenders chest. It was a bone-headed throw that was simply dropped by the defender. Montana got lucky and then he was given the opportunity to make a play and succeeded.

 

Exactly, now that is the baseline, something else has to step up:

-Defense
-Special Teams
-Running Game

Instead of wishing and hoping Henne develops in a week (doubtful) the Staff should focus on maximizing the other aspects of the team.

And Henne is a .500 career Qb, it may be .571, but he wins as much as he loses and no more as of yet.

 

Where have I claimed Henne is anything but a young QB who is improving? Where have I stated that Henne is a top QB? Or anything more than average?

The only thing I've proven is that Flacco and Bradford are not playing much better (if better at all) than Henne.

I don't think anyone here is saying Henne is the next Manning. What some people are saying, however, is that Henne is bad or we need a new QB. And they are proveable wrong.

 

Both teams average 106yds on the ground. Yet Henne averages ~40 more yards passing per game. I guess that's not Henne's doing though, right?

Miami has scored more points.

Keep making your excuses. All you're doing is proving me right.

 

Henne's problem is the offensive players won't make plays for him, I think they have lost some confidence in #7.

 

I'm not sure if it's a confidence thing. I think more like a frustrated thing. Henne will look great for 10-12 passes in a row and then throw a clunker. All young, hell just ALL QB's do that. However, the play calling, dropped passes and run game has GOT to get better. I think if Henne played for the Ravens they'd still be 6-2. I'd bet my house on it.

 

Ok, and what other interceptions are you deciding not to count?

 

Henne has better receivers. Bradford is a green rookie. Those factors do not help Henne.

 

Come on, you cannot correctly bash people for "would you trade Flacco for Henne" and then place Henne on the Ravens..

What it is, imo, is Receivers have to know the ball will be delivered where it should be, in stride and with proper velocity, 8 games in and I think they no longer expect Henne to be that sharp and that is causing problems.

The tipped passes are also killers, Henne has more tipped passes than any other Qb in the league, 10 of them, that is 10 passes defensed at the line of scrimmage.

 

Do you know of any other ones that Ref's did not bother to review?

If so I can exclude them as well.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-winnersandlosers110710

I'm in the camp that says Henne should start the rest of the year. This year lives, or dies, with Henne. That said I'm not in the camp that is delusional in saying Henne is the answer. If that's our answer what was the question.

 

ok I will be moving in next week - is that enough time for you to get your crap out

 

Thanks for the stats Marine. I'm not interested on how they compare to those QBs. My main thing is how good he is in the redzone. Marine can you compare those to the league? I know 3 of those TDs come from Marshall making a great play to get in the endzone, Bess making two great plays to get in there.

 

You mean a league wide red zone QB average? That would take all day and I'm at work.

I'll give it a shot.

 

Jake my friend, don't send sarcastic posts to other members (as you did prior to my post) if you can't take them in return. Just sayin. Don't give yourself too much credit; I don't dislike you enough to mean it to be personal. lol.

My true colors are aqua & orange. You seem to like Matt Ryan so much.... are yours becoming red & black?

Now the 2nd part of your post is definitely worthy of discussion.

 

Holy cow you have no idea what goes on outside of Dan Marino do you?! We're not making up the whole "seasoning and developing" thing to support an argument. We're arguing FOR it b/c it ALREADY exists, and has existed for a long, long time. To say that this time for learning, developing, and facing new defensive looks etc doesn't apply to Henne is utterly ignorant. UTTERLY.

You're not actually arguing with me on this; you're arguing with an accepted NFL standard that I adhere to. Doing so is only making you look foolish.

 

Rivers- 46%, 11 TD, 2 INT
Brees- 59%, 13 TD, 2 INT
Manning- 57%, 12 TD, 0 INT
Rodgers- 65%, 11 TD, 1 INT
Orton- 40%, 7 TD, 0 INT
Shaub- 58%, 7 TD, 0 INT
E. Manning- 68%, 11 TD, 1 INT
McNabb- 50%, 2 TD, 0 INT
Palmer- 44%, 8 TD, 0 INT
Ryan- 60%, 10 TD, 1 INT

These are the top 10 QB's in the league based off of passing yards and according to NFL.com. (Henne is 12th on this list right behind Flacco and Ryan who are 11th and 10 respectively)

So the average comp% for the top 10 QB's is 54%
Average TD's is 9
Average INT is 1

Henne is 58%, 5 TD, 1 INT.

 

With all due respect, no one is arguing that Henne is a finished product or that there is no seasoning/development time that goes into most QB's.

However, after 21 starts, I think it's reasonable to see improvement and increased positive results. Henne might be progressing but it's alot slower and bumpier than other players.

21 starts in, the guy is not much better than he was game 1 last year and we still have no idea if he is a long term solution or not.

 

You're wrong.

 

Ouch.

 

Great response. Thank you for your contribution to the discussion.

 

Cmon.... be realistic will you. A. This isn't happening. B. You're acting like Sam Bradford's (or any elite QB) pop up like mushrooms in a cow turd. If these guys were that easy to come by, then 1/2 of the league would not be looking for one. I guess we had a revolving door at QB for the past 10 years solely b/c we didn't give a crap about the position huh?

The grass isn't always greener....... often it's full of weeds and stickers. But I love your optimism that we'll just snap our fingers, and then POOF, all of a sudden Marino 2.0 appears.

 

I know it's not happening. That wasn't the point of the comment.

The point was that Marine was arguing that because Henne and Bradford have similar stats that they are similar players. I disagreed and stated that despite the stats I watch the games and see that bradford is better than Henne.

And you're right. Franchise QB's don't grow on trees. But just because you want a guy to be one doesn't mean he is. And if a guy is not vastly improved over 21 starts I think it's fair to question whether he is ever going to get there.

To this date, Henne's best game is still the Jets Monday nighter more than 1 year ago. I think he was arguably better overall last year than he is now. That's not a great direction for this QB to be heading.