He has no sacks in the preaseason, only a couple of pressures and he has shown himself to be a major liability against the run. He gets pushed around against the run and although he is quick he is not very fast which is why he always comes up short in pursuit.
I don't know why we spent a 1st round pick on such a flawed player when we could have traded down for more picks or picked up a starting OG like Lamp or Dawkins.
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Can't wait to bump this thread when Harris is getting double digit sacks.
Dude is a rookie. He's learning. How about we give him some time before talking about other players we could have drafted? Jesus.Tin Indian, Rickysabeast, mcdave21 and 6 others like this. -
I agree that if he can't get it done to a substantial degree now, even though he may need some work, he may not have been worth a first round pick, because those are supposed to be able to contribute immediately. Mind you, it's still preseason.
I would have loved to see someone like Lamp or Dawkins drafted, but not at the expense of not addressing the need for an outside pass rusher who is decent against the run. But if Harris has not addressed that need, the second guessing will start and will be hard to argue against.Last edited: Aug 28, 2017 -
Lamp tore his ACL, so there goes that.
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Stop comparing him to TJ Watt and you'll be fine
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oops. TJ!
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Early? Come on, he already called this guy a bust the day he was drafted.Tin Indian, resnor and danmarino like this.
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Good thing the Chargers doubled up with Dan Feeney in round 3. Tough break for them.
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I didn't say he would be a complete bust, just not worth a first round pick. We could have traded down, picked up dion dawkins in the second along with Jordan Willis in the second or third.
Jordan Willis has 3 sacks and has also been great against the run through 3 preseason games. Compare that to harris 0 sacks and terrible play against the run. Willis is the guy I wanted badly. Dawkins is right now projected to start at left tackle as a rookie while harris is projected as nothing more than a situational pass rusher at this point. Dawkins would have filled our big hole at LG next to Tunsil and provided quality backup at LT which we don't have.
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Yes, I didn't like it at all. I wanted us to trade down which could have for more picks and picked up Jordan Willis and a quality guard like lamp, dawkins or feeney instead.
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I did too, just because the guy has one elite move that he thrived with in college. In the pros though, you spin to the outside, the tackle gives you a little shove, and by the time you recover the pass is already in the air. His talent just doesn't translate to the NFL level.
Now, that's not to say he's a bust....he's a great athlete with many of the intangibles, and the kid is mega-hungry to learn. I would have loved him as a 3rd or 5th round pick like a Jakeem Grant that you see something in but may not translate....but not as one of our highest picks this decade. Could he be the next JT in five years? Sure, maybe. But he definitely won't be the next JT anytime soon. That's why I hated the pick...we vastly overpaid for a one-trick pony whose trick doesn't work in the NFL. -
I'm talking about Godchaux:
Meanwhile, the pick you liked, Asiata, might not even make the final roster. It's almost, as if, we don't know everything absolutely! It's almost like players have different career trajectories! It's almost like a player can fit on an NFL team better than they did on their college team!
People need to seriously be patient. These guys all develop at different rates and reach different ceilings. The fact that Godchaux, a pick you absolutely hated, is now the "bright spot" of our draft should let you know that you need to just watch what happens. You could be right, you could be wrong about Charles Harris. But it's hard to swallow your absolute statement, revisionist history, when the guy hasn't played a regular season down in the NFL yet.Harmalama, LI phinfan, Colmax and 6 others like this. -
No not at all, because I have actually watched all three preseason games multiple times on DVR and seen him get blown off the ball on multiple occasions, not be able to set the edge worth a damn, and be terrible at diagnosing runs and biting on misdirection.
Through three games he has 0 sacks, 1 solo tackle, 1 assist, 0 TFL, 0 QB hits, and only 2 QB hurries.
Meanwhile Willis who was a 3rd round pick has been great at setting the edge and has been terrorizing QBs. He has 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 tackles and 2 QB hurries through three games. -
Jordan Willis was my guy in the 1st round. I've made no attempt to hide that. Everyone disagreed, as he ended up falling into the 3rd round. So be it.
But I like Charles Harris and always have, and he's played well this preseason.P h i N s A N i T y, Tin Indian, danmarino and 8 others like this. -
He hasn't been that great at the run this preseason, imo. That's a fair assessment.
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I was wrong about godchaux, my opinion on draft day was based off one game I was able to see of him which was not very impressive. I am more than happy to be proven wrong, however harris has done absolutely nothing to prove me wrong and has been downright terrible considering he is a first round pick.
Asiata has not been bad considering he is a fifth rounder. I am pretty sure he will make the team. My gripe on draft day was actually that they didn't pick up a better guard earlier in the draft. My problem with harris is not that he is completely terrible, it's just that he is a one trick pony who will not start anytime soon if ever and was not worth a first rounder.Last edited: Aug 28, 2017 -
I'm not gonna sit here and talk about the Dolphins taking Charles Harris over Jordan Willis when they could've gotten Willis in the 2nd round, though. I also liked Takkarist McKinley and Obi Melifonwu.
Anyway I like Charles Harris.
The one I questioned was Raekwon McMillan with guys like Jordan Willis and Obi Melifonwu still on the board.
But when they got to the 3rd round and were still able to pick up Cordrea Tankersley that was pretty awesome.P h i N s A N i T y, Tin Indian, mcdave21 and 7 others like this. -
I must have missed all those regular season snaps he has taken that led to this conclusion. Can anyone show me some tape where he failed in the regular season? I have looked, and can’t seem to find any.
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LOL because we are so good at avoiding those....
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The universe bringing it to fruition, by the law of averages....he would be healthy and anchoring a top 5 OL.eltos_lightfoot likes this.
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And the opposite is also true. The OP made a point, backed it up with stats (which is a big goose egg for three games), and then said that his early viewpoint was valid. What happens? People ignore the draft analysis, they ignore the mini camp performances, they ignore the preseason stat lines and declare Harris a future superstar. The OP gets people telling him that his opinion isn't valid...just because they magically don't want it to be true.
May I remind everyone that having an open mind goes two ways? That's sort of the whole point of having a forum in the first place.Dolphin North and Redwine4all like this. -
We have all watched Harris. But let me learn you something.
Anyone who is basing his value or lack their of on this little of a sample size, isn't keeping an open mind. It's rushing to judgement. And yes, that works both ways.....if he had 3 sacks and a TD I would expect people to be excited, but I would also expect them to not assume we have the next Lawrence Taylor.
Nobody is right, nobody is wrong at this point. Unless you just wrote him off like OP did, then you are rushing to judgment, you are more interested in prematurely saying "I told you so" then reality.
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I do.
But I seem to not be able to stop losing??
It's fine though, by the laws of averages my time is coming.
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Which means what? You think that no matter where Lamp was located at the moment his ACL was torn, it would have happened? So, if Miami had drafted him, he'd have still torn the ACL? That is basically what you are saying. Silly. Plum silly.
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If CK like's him I like him, lol He puts the hours in the film room for us
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That's what forums are for...sharing opinions. I posted mine when we drafted him and again in #17 of this thread- I believe he was a reach in the first round given his skill set. Neither the OP or I wrote him off completely because you're right, you do never know. But if nobody is right and nobody is wrong, then why did so many folks calling the OP wrong? LOL, it's a bit of a double-standard and the only reason I posted here to begin with.
I do disagree with you though- we can learn a lot in three preseason games. Was Timmons a good addition? You bet your *** he was.
Is Ajayi in shape and ready to carry the team on his back? Heck to the yeah.
Can Grant work in our offense as an outside or slot receiver? You'd better believe it!
Has Parker evolved his game? Yes Yes Yes!!!
Can Cutler fill in for RT and lead this offense? You'd better believe it...and we learned that last one off of just three or four series.Last edited: Aug 28, 2017 -
My point basically is, anyone who was pro Harris or neutral would be insinuating he was a bad pick after the short sample size. However if you already were jaded by the pick? Naturally you pile on.
I say if we are in Week 6 and we haven't heard a peep from him? Then maybe you can start claiming he wasn't worthy of our pick.KeyFin, danmarino and eltos_lightfoot like this. -
Sharing opinions is what keeps these forums alive. Constantly spouting ignorance out of anger is just not productive and most people don't want to read it.
The truth of the matter is, the majority of NFL teams had Harris as a 1st round pick. He's a tremendous athlete who has all the talent in the world and with that talent the sky is the limit. The only thing that could keep him from reaching those heights is his mental make-up and drive. Does he have what it takes to work hard and succeed? So far his attitude, actions, and words have shown that he does. However, no one but him really knows. And for a poster to call him a bust after 3 pre-season games, where he has done pretty well in regards to both applying pressure to the QB and disrupting the run, is just silly. Just because a person doesn't know what their looking at or looking for doesn't make a player a bust.Rickysabeast likes this.
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