I post this in the Dolphins Forum more or less to see if he would be a popular pick up to compete with Chad Henne? For myself, I'm unsure, not sure how much arm he has left, not sure if he can play outside of the WCO, so at best IDK.
I'd like to bring him in as competition, but I wouldn't want to give him like $5M+ either (especially with no guarantee he'd be better than Henne).
I dont think an NFL Coach/GM would purposely tank an entire season just to MAYBE get his hands on a QB who MAY be coming out in the draft and MIGHT be a quality starter in the NFL. Number one, his players would realize it and probably lose respect for him. Number two, two consecutive losing seasons means that it MAY be the NEXT coach who gets a shot at Luck b/c the HC, Carrol in this case, COULD be fired. IMO the entire idea basically involves purposely doing what is most likely to get you fired, and it is all kinds of stupid. Obviously a fan might like the idea, but fans have lifetime contracts and they dont have to worry about silly things like losing their jobs.
I highly doubt Carrol would be fired. Starting Charlie Whitehurst is pretty much the same as sucking for lucking.
Not really. They were already more heavily invested in him than Hasselbeck so it's not a big surprise.
No, it's really not. They got rid of a guy who's 35, oft injured, clearly on the downside of his career, and due to make 5 million IIRC. That's not some cynical plot to acquire a QB, its just business as usual. Sparano was nearly fired after 2 7-9 seasons, the 11-5 in 08 is likely what saved him. Childress was fired a season after making the NFCCG, McDaniels never finished year 2, Mangini was fired after two seasons by two different teams, Cam Cameron's "Suck for Matt Ryan" campaign was a total disaster. But you highly doubt Carroll would be fired? C'mon man.
Maybe they should have thought of that before trading a 2nd round pick for him and paying him starter money. Whitehurst wasn't that bad in the season finale.
Well, I bring up his name because he strikes me as the sort of Vet Qb that can/could run the offense and they would not ask him to do a whole lot while so doing. For me, I prefer the risk/reward of Vince Young or even the chance Orton is really ascending in his career. But Hasselback will only cost cash, no draft picks.
yes, it really is. Charlie Whitehurst is a terrible quarterback. If they are going to start with him, then they are going to have a terrible season. Carrol is not Childress, McDaniels or Cam Cameron. Different calibar of coaches.
no thank you. If i knew he was content to just be a backup and was cheap, I could live with it, but I don't believe there's much left in his tank. Palmer > Orton > Young > Hasselback.
Palmer/ maybe not on the trade mkt, do like the rumors that they really like him, but who knows with Mikey Brown? Orton/odd no rumors connecting him to us, not a single one Young/do you think Ireland would sack up enough to take the chance on him? Hasselback would only cost cash, will be on the mkt, so who knows? To me Sparano could be seeing Pennington when he sees Hasselback. Tony S is nothing if not a sucker for things that worked before.
The Seahawks will trade for either Kolb or Palmer. Hasselbeck is precisely what we want. A cagey vet that can still get it done. I think Palmer would be #1, 2 and 3 as our preference, but Hasselbeck would be next. Problem is, the vet QB is usually a bridge to someone younger. All he'd be here is a bandaid.
You're forgetting the fact that the coach and gm would like to be here longer than one year. It's a win now league. If they put all their eggs in the Henne basket and he fails, they won't be here next year. Certainly, the odds are slim they will be here beyond this year anyway, but they are going to do everything they can to give them the best chance of staying. Wouldn't you if you were in their position?
Which is sort of the lesson here imho, hard to make proper football moves with the ax hanging over the Staffs' head.
Yea and it's not a world of difference from what Hasselbeck can do. Like I said, they're already way more invested in Whitehurst so nobody's surprised.
Hasselbeck would do just fine if the price is right, on the cheap. as far as that goes there is a plethora of veteran QB's awaiting a second chance. needn't jump too quick, but Hasselbeck would do just fine to heighten competition in the QB Stable. as far as that goes, so would Young & I bet he could be had very cheap, much cheaper than Hasselbeck.
I like Hasselbeck. Second favorite QB behind Manning. Really liked him since Super Bowl XL. I'll take em.
I keep seeing people say the axe is hanging over this staff's head and they had better win. While that may be true, I sure hope it is, the facts are quite different. Ross gives Sparano a 2 year extention and publicly apolizes for the West Coast trip. Ends by saying he wants to see a more open offensive package. To which Sparano has repeatly stated that he is a Run first HC and will not change his ways and to top that off goes and hires an OC who also has a love affair with the WC. Ireland, in the mean time drafts those parts that fit what Sparano wants to do with the run game and to hell with getting a QB. Is Tony a dunce, dumb, or to hell with what the owner wants type of HC? Just where did he aquire this set? Because by all acounts, up until now, he has not had any; being the yes man to the Tuna and bowing to the OC calling of Dan Henning. Sad to say I now feel it will take a colossal failure by all concerned, say only 3 or less wins, to get Ross to fire this group. Unless we leap from the gate with a record of say 2-6 then things may get REAL hot in Miami land. If, on the other hand we get another 7-9 record its only more of the same, I fear.
Psst.. the steelers were 9-7 in 09, they did not fire everyone for being "mediocre". Yes..Yes..Yes. It is always better to win then to lose, always, that is the point, if we make a WC playoff run then all the better. The point is to win games, not to have the prettiest offense or what have you.
There is no way you could write that with a straight face. Hasselbeck is at least 10x the quarterback that Whitehurst is. The best thing I could say about Whitehurst is at least he looked better than JP Loseman
zzzzz. Again, it doesn't matter. SEA doesn't think he's worth $5mil and already invested a 2nd in Whitehurst. Do I think Whitehurst is better? Not right now. But the margin that he's worse isn't greater than Hasselbeck's $5mil to the 2nd for Whitehurst. Obv Whitehurst has a lot more upside being so much younger. His lack of experience and a legit offense hurts him, but I def wouldn't write him off yet.
zzzzz? It doesn't matter? So basically you are arguing just to argue? For his career, I do not know. If I was a betting man I would bet heavily on him doing poorly next season. Technically they invested a move down from second. They still had a second round pick that season.
lol You said starting Whitehurst is hoping to lose. Given their situation, it's not. Not wanting to retain a declining 35yo QB for $5mil is a logical decision for a weak team like SEA.
While I think Seattle does not want to pay Hasselbeck, I do not think it indicates they want to go with Charlie Whitehurt. They have been linked with a number of QBs, and are rumored to be hot for Kolb. As for Matt, I think he would be ok as competition, but at this stage of the game I think he does not have much left in the tank.
At this point no, he is a WCO qb now and cannot stay healthy. He would hinder more than help. If he was coming not as competition but as a vet backup at vet min. ok but he is done as a starter you can count on
you post as if Young would compete with Dan Marino for the start. Henne is just not all that... as a matter of fact, he's just an excuse & season away from NFL oblivion, if he doesn't pick his game up dramatically. it is what it is. what I want to see is an improvement @ QB & that will only come through open competition on a level playing field in 2011. let them (whoever they may be) compete without prejudice
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/05/10/going-deep/ Guess which Qb in the AFCS throws the most accurate deep pass? Hint: It is not Manning, Schaub or Garrard...
I wouldn't touch Young with a ten foot Pole or a twelve foot Lithuanian... That would take a sack full - of rocks between the ears after the meltdown in Tennessee. If a trade could be worked for Palmer, that I could go for - he makes up in experience what time may have cost him in arm... After that, I'd be more inclined to go with a young'un like Matt Flynn or Caleb Hanie...Just for the halibut!
That's what I'm thinking. Hasselback would just be a stopgap kind of guy. Even if we manage to win 9, 10 games with him, chances are he's not around or not effective the following year, seems like just hindering progress of the future, for the progress of now. I think what we need to do this year, is put Henne back in his comfort zone. Which is far from a Dan Henning/tony Sparano offense as possible. Send him out there, tell him to go and make plays. Don't send him out there and tell him you'll kill him if he makes a mistake. Let him play loose, not tight. Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan on Sirius NFL radio were talking about the same things yesterday afternoon when someone called in about Henne. Both were in agreement Henne has the ability, we've just held the reins to tightly, and we have maybe over coached him to play scared of making the mistakes, rather than going out there and making plays and playing to win. Worst case scenario is Henne falters, we have a .500 season again, we finally go out and get a QB at all costs, or the regime is probably blown up and we start over again Which really, may not be a bad thing either way. Of course, the reward however is Henne shows improvement and has the kind of year he should be capable of, and all the worrying is for not.
Well RR, to me I want a Qb who is under 30, who can be a Qb for us for a long time. To me that means Young or Orton
palmer, hasselbeck, russell, bulger, young, brady quinn, whatever... as long as they have an up-side, will provide a competitive atmosphere & don't cost us the ability to go after a franchise QB in next years draft should the 2011 stable come up short. want to win? provide competition & let everyone compete on a level playing field.
I think that depends on how much $ Ross puts into the team between now and the end of this season, in terms of how many wins, or should I say losses, determines the fate of the regime. All signs point to him spending whatever it takes to help make this team a contender (Dansby... Marshall). Lets say he spends the same amount as he did last season in terms of guaranteed $, IMO anything less than the playoffs would spell doomsday. Now, if he holds back and spends less than a third of that amount (guaranteed $, not "salary"), between 7 and 9 wins could keep them around. $ spent brings expectations... No matter how much is spent, IMO 6 wins or less would be hard to overcome.
