Didn't Sparano say the same sorts of things.

 

And?

 

Didn't Philbin already back it up, where as Sparano never did?

 

Sparano has said a lot of things that he never delivered on......

Bad example.

 

Who is on the roster since before Sporano? He pretty much turned the whole roster over,

 

Philbin is the HC and he has every right to to build a team the way he wants to. Eventually though, it all comes down to wins and losses. If the Dolphins become a winning organization again under his leadership, Philbin will be praised for his ability to find and develop individuals who fit what he is looking for in an NFL player. If on the other hand, the team continues to lose more games than it wins, he will be shown the door and a new HC will be hired who will get rid of the players he doesn't want any longer on the Dolphins and bring in his own type players.

This is what most NFL coaches do within the first few years after becoming the head coach of a new team.

 

The only player who is still on the roster who was with the team when Sparano, Parcells, and Ireland arrived is Soliai. It sure seems to me that a lot of this turnover happened during the Sparano years.

 

Watch out Mike Wallace :shifty:

 

Couple of interesting parts:

Seriously? Come on Sun Sentinel. Don't you guys have editors? I'm not even blaming Omar although he should be self-editing for this sort of thing as should any writer. But where are the REAL editors?

Whoa. That's a nice quote. Good job by Omar digging that out of a player, anonymous or not.

Ummm...I'm not even a Green Bay fan or follower and I can think of a number of such controversies right off hand. There was the locker room feud between Favre and Rodgers, there's Jermichael Finley's reputation around the locker room for generally being an outspoken malapert, there's Finley's agent suddenly out of nowhere blasting the hell out of Aaron Rodgers for being a terrible leader and the ensuing year-long feud which many players claim had a real and detrimental effect on the offense, and then there's Greg Jennings' sister blasting the hell out of Rodgers on twitter. Not to mention there's Aaron himself being a serial photobomber, and making smartass comments to the press all the time.

I don't mention any of these things because I think they're bad. I mention them because the image that is being painted of Joe Philbin implies that HE thinks they're bad.

 

that has to be the first time in Finley's life someone has used the term "malapert" to describe him. Not saying it isn't accurate, just a first.

 

Moron is easier to spell.

 

You think that's bad?

http://news.yahoo.com/spring-image-snow-nearly-half-us-214343457.html

"Nearly half of the United States is currently covered in snow, including most of Canada, as can be seen in this image from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration."


When did we invade Canada again?

Agreed. It's not like Philbin ran Green Bay anyway why are we comparing them?

 

Not at all..say what the hell they want to, if they do not win, they will be fired even with a roster of drone ball players and "good guys", this is one of the largest myths about the NFL.

Chargers were filled with dbags, they won games, guess who kept his job?

Norv Turner.

They stopped winning, guess who lost his job?

Norv Turner.

 

Actually, he should. Not so much because of Philbin necessarily...

Our high priced free agents/trades during Ireland's tenure have all been cut or traded for cheap. Like in two years

Marshall, Smiley, Grove, Wilford, Dansby, Burnett, etc.

 

Meh.

There is a bottom line to all this: Win or none of it means Jack ****

 

Buck stops with Philbin. I'm 100% behind him. He's been entrusted with getting my Phins winning again. Its his reputation and profession on the line. Win or we move on. Right now I'm happy with the direction we are going. Not everyone will be happy but I'm ok with what we are doing.

 

A first-time head coach has no track record of winning to make his players buy in to his program, so he has to carefully construct the roster with players whose character can contribute to the kind of team culture he wants. After he's established a track record of winning, he can loosen up on his requirements for players and take on guys who don't precisely fit his bill, because at that point a winning team culture can come from the buy in by the players due to the winning the coach has achieved.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with this point.

My concern is Dolphins past repeating itself. It is dangerous to dismiss known talent and limit your scope only to the players who fit your narrow mold.

Jimmy Johnson had a certain player type and it was young players. He was a successful college coach who was at his professional best when he had one of the 5 youngest rosters in the NFL. His coaching style is very psychology manipulative, so when his Dallas roster matured, he had to deal with too many veteran egos and his style was seen as wearing on the team of Super Bowl stars. Which made Barry Switzer an ideal coach to ride them through the post JJ years.

When Shula was sent packing it was perceived that he had a team full of modern talent, but that the game had passed him by. All they really needed was a young stud coach to right the ship.

JJ came to Miami, inherited a playoff team with Dan Marino and a top 5 or 10 offense, and he decided to rebuild it all with young players.

He built a great defense, replacing Bryan Cox, Marco Coleman, and Troy Vincent with Zach Thomas, Jason Taylor, and eventually Sam Madison. But not before whiffing on 3rd and 4th round Vincent replacements Kirk Pointer and Dorian Brew.

On offense he replaced Irving Fryar, Keith Byars, and Terry Kirby with Fred Barnett, Stanley Pritchett and Jerris McPhail.

JJ continued to try and replace the offensive talent he dumped in 1996 You can look at the rest of JJs skill position players in the 96-99 drafts and it is truly a who's who of WHO!?

Meanwhile Fryar, Byars, Kirby, Vincent and Cox went on to have big years and careers for their new teams long after JJs replacements were out of the league.

I'm on board with the Vontae and Marshall trades, though Ireland certainly did not get value in return for Marshall. But I do wonder how long we'll see the talent the Miami Dolphins dismissed due to not fitting Philbin's mold succeed elsewhere and how well they do at replacing them. I hope it's better than JJ, and that they avoid guys named Avery, Yatil, and McPhail.

You wouldn't draft a guy named McBust, why would you draft one called McPhail?

 

let's try to be more accurate. I think your memory is a bit skewed on the subject:
1) Keith Byars was never the same after that nasty knee injury - averaged 5 rushes and 24 receptions a season for the next 3 years.
2) Troy Vincent left for greener pastures and more money.
3) Terry Kirby was a terrible RB (but good at catching passes from Marino).
4) Bryan Cox was replaced by a far superior Zach Thomas, so including Cox in your "replacements" statement is just plain false
4) I will say losing Irving Fryar was painful. he continued to be productive after he left.

 

Sparano in retrospect was more of a puppet head coach. Philbin appears to have a lot more voice, as for the players added and subtracted.

 

JJ could have matched the offer sheet on Vincent had he chosen to, and especially if he had not resigned Keith Sims instead.
Kirby had about as good a yards per carry as his replacement Abdul-Jabbar, and as you said was a fine receiver, and he did last in the league much longer than KAJ did.
Cox was a OLB originally and only was moved inside out of necessity. Had he been able to been resigned, he could have moved back outside.
Fryar had the best seasons of his career after he left Miami. JJ never even made him a contract offer, and chose instead to sign damaged goods in Fred Barnett for the a contract that Fryar would have taken to stay in Miami.

 

I loved Kirby and Marino did too. JJ traded him away for a 5th to SF, where he became a very good kickoff returner.
Byars was cut in the middle of JJs first season, and he went right to the Pats and then Jets and killed us every time we played. He, along with Kirby, were a great pass catching tandem with Marino. They kept drives alive by turning 5 yard outs into 10 yard gains. JJ left Marino with no one to ever check down to on 3rd down. But the biggest point is that their replacements were so awful, that they would have been better off being retained.

I included Coleman, Vincent, and Cox because they were part of the veteran purge. Absolutely Vincent may have gone elsewhere anyway, but JJ wasn't interested in veterans. And obviously I screwed up including Cox in that list, since his replacement was Thomas.

 

The truth is you are playing with fire by dumping known talent and replacing it with unknown talent. I'd like to be optimistic and say it is a 50/50 proposition, but it's probably worse. Even a speedy known veteran WR like Mike Wallace comes with the possibility that he won't be as effective in a new offense, but you always know just how good the players you have are. Though it is better to get draft picks back for talent than to just cut them.

 

I liked Kirby, even named my dog after him, but he was not a good enough RB, like you said, he went elsewhere and became a good kick returner, but he still wasn't used as a RB for good reason.
Byars did beat up on us when he played for NE and NYJ, but he did next to nothing against anyone else.

I have zero problem with getting rid of ineffective vets (not including Fryar), but you're right, you better replace them with upgrades. On defense, JJ was able to do that. On offense, he lost big time.

 

Anyone know how to explain how to read the articles without signing up to the sentinel?, from an iPad?

 

I'd argue that Cox played better at ILB and likely would have struggled back at OLB as he got older.
and saying Kirby had the same YPC as Jabbar isn't saying much. It's a push IMO. Kirby was a far better reciever, Jabbar was a much better red zone RB. Neither were good enough.
Fryar was a big mistake.

 

I have Private Browsing turned on in my Safari settings and I never have trouble reading the SS articles on my iPad. FWIW I also accept cookies from visited sites. Hope that helps.

 

My dog was named Kirby, named after him too. :thumbup:

He was nothing special as a pure RB. But he was one in a long line of Jim Jensen check down saviors for Marino. A great 3rd down back.

 

JJ would have been better off trading Marino for how he saddled him with a run first offense and kept only OJ McDuffie as a weapon.

But JJ would have failed to replace him too. But maybe get lucky again with more draft picks.

The truth is JJ wasn't very special at selecting or evaluating skill position talent in Dallas either.

He inherited Irvin, Aikman was a no-brainer, and JJ admitted to preferring Blair Thomas to Emmitt Smith.

 

A visionary he was that Jimmy. Seeing as how little the audible is used anymore.

 

I read that the player they were really wanting to trade up for in 1990 was James Francis the Baylor LB.

 

I blamed Jeff Ireland for tanking last season and I was wrong. During this interview he reveals that Joe Philbin brought a plan to town that was better than the one he had and he had no trouble buying in.

It starts at the 6:20 mark and I think it really indicates team work is finally afoot at the top of the food chain.


http://www.miamidolphins.com/media/...nterview/9332c06b-13ac-46a4-8aef-ade56b6d727b

 

i haven't tried in some time and don't know if this is still working, you just let the page load and when its finished you press on that reader button, that will pop up in the right corner of the adress bar.

so i guess if philbin really is like this than no Tyrann Mathieu ?

 

I've had a hypothesis for a while now that while Parcells was in the building, the plan was his plan. When he left, I think Jeff got stuck with a year of Tony Sparano, who was a coach he would not have hired if he legitimately had the authority to hire and fire the coach.

I truly believe that Jeff's long term vision for what he wanted to accomplish was not the same as Parcells's, but he bided his time till Parcells walked. This past year was Jeff's first year to install a plan, and he happened to hire a coach that shared the same vision, IMO. That vision is of a team build around both physical play and speed that creates space and takes advantage of the space created. You could see hints of this with his desire to get Percy Harvin in 2009 and his attempts to add speed that ultimately did not pan out.

 

same thing I would do if a guy gave me my first gig at a job where there's only 32 available..keep my mouth shut, conform, and see what happens.

 

Well we needed a culture change and it seems as if Philbin is definitely doing that. I like what he is doing, holding players accountable, and they either buy into the program or can get out. But if you're going to run a tight ship and want guys to buy into your philosophy you'd better win. But I do like what I see out of Philbin so far. Kickoff can't get here fast enough.

 

In hindsight Sporano was a big mistake. Sure Parcells had final say over the hire and Ireland may very well of had a different first choice for the HC postion, but to say Ireland was only going along to get along cause Parcells was the only one who liked him seems unlikely. Parcells most likely chose Ireland because they share similiar philosophies on building a team.