No.

 

No, they wouldn't release him. If they sign Pennington, they'll start shopping McCown for a 7th rounder or something, and if they don't get it, they'll cut him, not Beck. Remember that Parcells and Ireland liked Beck coming into the 2007 draft and they're not going to give up on him this quickly.

 

Exactly.
I doubt we release beck. To what purpose would keeping mc cown around serve?

 

Here we go. Will all you guys chill. I don't think anything will happen to anyone till aleast the second preseason game.

 

Your friends need to stay off the bottle. Beck will not be released, McCown would be gone, he is having the worst camp out of the QB's.

 

I just don't see anyway to justify Beck being the odd man out IF Pennington is brought here. Beck continues to improve and, IMO, will be the starter week 1. IF Pennington is brought in perhaps he gets up to speed and starts Week 1, however, I still would guess Beck. Pennington would be McCown's replacement (the veteran insurance/stopgap QB). Beck has too much upside potential to just let go and has no trade value at all. No Beck will be here, Henne will be here. NO DOUBT IN MY SEAGOING MIND!

 

He would compete to start. He would not be handed the job.

 

I don't understand why this may be so hard to believe. You gotta remember, McCown is the measuring stick, that's like measuring chocolate cake against a pile of crap. If Beck doesn't measure up to McCown by the end of training camp I see us cutting our loses, and Beck.

And I wouldn't be opposed. Gone are the days where you hold on to players because the used to be ballers, or the could one day be a baller. Produce or get cut.

 

By your logic if anyone Beck or Henne don't as you say measure against the "Josh 'pile of crap' McCown" then they both would be gone not just beck. Mark my words beck and henne will be on this team barring injury. We just don't know what will happen until some games are played. We won't sign pennington.

 

Reported talk by who? Nobody on the Dolphins. Therefore it's just chatter, which ends up usually not being true anyway

 

He would have to play really, really bad for the rest of training camp to be released, IMO. And from what I have heard he is improving.

 

yea you know what if henne doesn't win this job by week 1 we should just cut him too. hey maybe kevin kolb, drew stanton and brady quinn will be on the market too!! :pity:

 

Where did you here that? Completely different from what I've been reading.

 

Beck will be traded before he is released.

 

Thank you sooooooooo much for your interest in our team but the only reason we would want your castoff is so that we could use his knowledge to beat you twice this year. If you didn't want him why should we?

It looks to me as if you guys had no QB so rushed to pick up Farve. I hope you guys have fun running around his circus every year for the next two or so years. You might want to pass by GB to see how they handled all that mess. See Ya.:tongue2::wink2::yes:

 

Yeah, that's what I think too. Pennington is a very accurate passer even if he has a pop-gun arm.

Beck would never just be released though. He must have some trade value.

It sure would make for a great opening day. I guess that will probably be the most watched game on opening day regardless of who we start...

 

That's not the talk down here. Not sure where you heard that? :no:

 

I don't think we get rid of Beck for one. But if we did, why would a team trade for him if they know we are going to cut him?

 

Beck isn't going anywhere

 

Because they arent guaranteed to sign him. And they wouldn't know we are going to cut him. He will still be valued by a lot of offensive schemes

 

124, IMO your friends know very little about the Dolphins. There has been talk since before the draft that Beck would be gone simply b/c he was from the previous regime. The local media has fed that being consistently more critical of Beck and ignoring the struggles of the other two QBs. However, those close Parcells and the Dolphins have been saying that Beck is the guy that Parcells and the team want to start. But if your only info is from the local papers (and you're not a critical thinker) than you might believe that Beck could be released.

As for CP, is a better QB than anybody we have right now but he may be a poor fit. My guess is that we plan to use a run based offense that's heavy on play-action and vertical passing. That last part may not mesh well with a post injury CP. Sometimes a poor fit can negate any talent advantage.

 

I said it in another thread and I'll say it in this one.

You don't get rid of a highly drafted young prospect on a rebuilding team looking to find it's future starter to hold on to 2 vets.
2 vets with very questionable futures at that.

You hold onto the the young QB's and let them develop period.

Beck isn't going anywhere to the dismay of some around here.

 

I know that would just crush you!:wink2:

Lets put away our biased hopes and fears and look at this thing rationally.

Forget the names, lets just use generics.

You are rebuilding a team. You inherent ONLY second round pick at QB. It was his rookie season, and he wasn't very good. However, he had a very bad team around him. He's older, hes mature, hes got a great attitude, and he's got some talent.

In your first FA period, you sign the best (In your opinion) journeyman QB that is available. Hes never been great, but hes had some good games. You really don't have that much invested in him, but you need a guy who has started some NFL games.

Why? Because you are going to draft a QB early (and you have early picks). The guy you draft is going to be the guy you hang your future on. But, as we know, drafting QBs is risky. Most don't pan out. Only a very select few do. So you move very deliberately in all things QB.

And one other thing about the QBs that do pan out, some don't pan out until they've been in the league several years. So, using this criteria, you are going to find the best vet you can to start, and hold on to your two young QBs to try to reap a reward in the future.

Bottom line, you aren't going to throw away John Beck just yet. You give him the opportunity to grow and develop (and challenge Henne). Although Henne looks good, you never know how these things turn out in the long run.

If you want to cut a QB, cut McCown. Henne we know isn't going anywhere, and Beck, IMO, should stay as well.

The only caveat I would offer is that if the coaching staff has seen enough of Beck to in their opinions believe that the NFL QB position is far out of his reach, it won't matter, then you cut the ties with Beck.

However, since Beck and McCown aren't that different in age, and it didn't cost us a pick to get McCown, it does alleviate the damage done by drafting Beck.

On the flip side, wasn't Pennington a first round pick? Now that, I would consider a huge wasted pick if I was a Jets fan.

 

No debate here.

Except, what does this have to do with Beck?

 

Ok, fine.

But if the coaches weren't pretty "dad gum"--a little Bobby Bowden lingo--certain that Pennington couldn't start, why bother?

Just keep struggling with what you've got here. No reason to bring in another "struggler".

I think CP might add a bit of stability in the short term, tutelage to the youngsters in the mid term, and probably not much long term.

He needs to get us from where we are now to the time when Henne is ready. Thats his mission.

 

Carrying 4 QBs on a roster isn't unheard of either.

 

Not so with QBs out of college. If you don't want to bring them along and develop them, don't bother drafting them.. just do what Gruden does and sign nothing but vets.

 

McCown is not entitled to stick around here, just because Parcells signed him, doesnt mean hes beholden to remain if we bring in Pennington. Theres also the possibility of having 4 Qbs.

EDIT: You can also say the same for Beck. Hes had a horrible camp.

 

You know realistically we haven't even had any kind of confirmation that we are even looking at Pennington.

There was a "source".

Then the only comments Parcells made was that he "would never rule out anything" but that the focus was on "building a young team that would develop together."

It's just as likely that the "source" was just made up by a media guy making an assumption we'd bring Pennington in because Parcells drafted him.

I'll wait to see what really transpires.

 

Don't be too hard on 124, GFF.

Inside, every Jets fan, even though they will never admit it, has as his worst nightmare that CP comes to Miami and starts and we beat them with Favre as their QB. Can you imagine how those fans would react to that? It would be more than they could bear.

 

We might beat them without CP, it is a team sport after all...:shifty:

 

There is absolutely no way whatsoever that John Beck is not on this roster opening day. None.

 

buddy, there's no reported talk of this, just your friends opinion. if there was reported talk of this, it'd have been posted on this site, link and all. nothing really gets by ThePhins.com. :up:

 

I have been thinking about that for a couple days now.. kinna like treating myself to some desert.. I think it is unlikly that we beat them, but Lordy, it sure would be sweet.. I would probably be in serious danger given the sporting a woody for more than four hours thing...

 

:lol::lol: Thanks for the laugh! Made my day.

 

Who told you Beck was behind McClown? I don't recall Sparano making any such statement.

 

You can't be serious. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring.

Who would have thought that Greenbay would TRADE Brett Farve away, or that the Vikings would let both Culpepper AND Randy Moss go, or that Jerry Jones would get rid of Jimmy Johnson, or that Herm Lewis who should have been fired for coaching so poorly would get traded to KC for draft picks. Please, the list goes on & on...

Beck hasn't done absolutely anything to be so 'indispensible' to the Dolphins.

He should have blown away the other two guys by now. He has had every advantage and he is still trailing both of them.

 

Beck is a highly drafted QB entering only his 2nd year.

He is one of 2 highly drafted young QB's that the organization is counting on to become a solid starter in the future. They don't have a final assessment on either yet because it's too early. Don't think I need to try to explain player development here as the concept goes way over some fans heads for some reason.

Regardless, that's why he's "indispensible" to the Dolphins right now.

You don't throw out young prospects before giving them the time to develop.