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Could Marino Bring Cowher To Town If Philbin Flubs?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Bpk, Aug 26, 2014.

  1. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Since it appears Dan will have a strong voice in the decision making around Philbin as well as Tannehill and Hickey, it made me wonder....

    If Philbin is canned, is there a chance that Marino's relationship with Bill Cowher (with whom Dan works in the media) could help the Dolphins convince Cowher to become the next Head Coach.

    A couple things:

    1) I really don't want Cowher, so it's not any agenda of mine to push that idea, FYI

    2) It's still pre-season so we may win enough for American-Gothic Farmer Joe to keep his job.

    Still, seems like a possibility that if the dominoes fall that way, Cowher may actually be persuadable by his buddy.
     
  2. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    No. Bill Cowher has retired. He's not going to coach ever again.
     
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  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can see it, both Pittsburgh guys..worked together, know each other...he's a damn good football coach so if Philbin fails to lead the team, I think it's absolutely an option, and I for one would be supportive..as long as it's the last job he ever wants, and under the condition that he comes out and says he wants it...

    If Dan is smart there should be no convincing, if there is even a little, then bail on his ***, he's gotta want it real bad, that goes for Harbaugh and Malzahn as well, the coach has to understand the challenges in this town and in that stadium, and want it, anything less is not acceptable..

    It's why I don't bash our current coach to much, he accepted and wanted the challenge, and I guarantee one thing as sure as I'm writing this post right now, it's one of the hardest jobs in the sport.
     
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  4. LBsFinest

    LBsFinest Banned

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    That would be great.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Then its an easy decision, I'm serious, There can not be one once of talking into..if Dan persists a candidate after hearing that the person doesn't want the job, then he's not right for his position either.
     
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  6. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    You don't know what Marino's position entails. And if procuring coaches was Marino's responsibility, not being able to convince Cower to leave CBS, where he's presumably happy, after retiring years ago, is not reflective of Marino's ability one way or the other. Cower is DONE. He's retired. He's not a coaching candidate.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    maybe you need to read the OP again, and try to understand where I'm coming from better, were debating under the premise that if Marino could woo Cowher, I'm merely stating that if indeed hypothetically it does come to that, and Cowher has to be coaxed into taking the job without coming out publicly and stating he wants the job, then both are making bad decisions, Marino for trying to talk a prospect Into coming here, and Cowher for taking the position without being 100 percent passionate and committed to the Miami franchise and all it's parts.

    See bill Parcells, Jimmy Johnson and nick Saban for examples of where I'm coming from.
     
  8. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Not now Bpk. Not now.

    :pointlol:
     
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  9. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Ugh I really really hope not.
     
  10. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    If Philbin fails, whether it's Cowher or not, hopefully Marino will be able to be the face and mouth of the franchise and make this place attractive to qualified applicants. In the past it has been Ireland and Ross and I believe the lack of personality and charisma with both of those guys has cost the team qualified applicants. Marino has the personality needed to be the voice of the team. If that's all he brings to the table, he can still be invaluable.
     
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  11. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I rather he woo someone that is dying for an NFL job like Malzahn instead of Cowher, who would bolt in 2 years just like Saban and Jimmy.
     
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  12. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    If Cowher ever came back, it would be for the Giants job.


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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I don't want Cowher as a coach. If Philbin flops (which is far from a guarantee at this point) then I want Malzahn.
     
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  14. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't like the idea of betting on a guy being the first to win a Super Bowl on two different teams. I'd rather go for the untried, extraordinary schematic guy(Chip Kelly, Gus Malzahn, etc.), or the established coach who has been close but not won(Lovie Smith, Jim Harbaugh, etc.)
     
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  15. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I agree with your preferences, but not the reasoning.

    It's faulty logic. No coach has ever won a superbowl with 2 separate teams, therefore it cannot happen. The fact that it's never happened has so much more to do with small sample size, difficulty in winning a superbowl, etc. There is no solid evidence to suggest winning a second superbowl with a separate team is anymore difficult because it's that coach's second team.

    The reason I'd prefer the guys you mention to Cowher is that the Cowher has been out of the game too long. I picture him trying to rebuild the team using the same failed outdated principles Parcells tried and failing miserably.
     
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  16. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    I don't think I've ever agreed with you more than the bold!
     
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  17. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's entirely logical that starting over makes it more problematic to be successful.
     
  18. NorFlaFin

    NorFlaFin Active Member

    Don't think Marino would ever endorse and recruit a coach who isn't a pro-style drop back passer type of offense.
     
  19. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    This is my feeling as well but it should be noted Chip Kelly and Lovie Smith are spoken for and if we can't get Gus Malzahn or Jim Harbaugh then suddenly betting on Bill Cowher wouldn't seem such a bad idea.
     
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  20. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member Retired Administrator

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    The only thing I would say to the bolded is: Dick Vermeil. He was out of the game for roughly the same amount of time as the Chin (actually longer) and got it done in St Louis. I agree with the rest though. When Parcells was brought here I would have considered Cowher then, but not now. Id love to get Malzahn.
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    I think one reason Cowher is not a popular option is because of the perception that he's typical "old school" and would run a boring ball control oriented offense.

    But it should be noted he's the one that brought Bruce Arians to Pittsburgh as the WR Coach, after a failed stint as OC in Cleveland.

    Cowher is a defensive guy and I'm sure he's pretty well aware of the challenges that certain offenses pose. For instance if we really do for whatever reason become convinced that Lazor is a guy we need to keep around, I see no reason Cowher wouldn't do that.

    And absolutely if Bill Cowher were interested in making a return to coaching, Dan Marino would be the first in line to talk to him, and Marino's call might be the first that Cowher takes too.
     
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  22. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Kinda goes against the whole "GM wants his own coach" paradigm no?
     
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  23. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Coaches coach, coordinators coordinate..Cowher can coach.
     
  24. Bpk

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    Which I think he'd be even more likely to do than another HC, because his trusted friend Dan has been here for a year assessing who to keep and who to ditch.
     
  25. vt_dolfan

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    Id still be giddy for John Gruden to be honest
     
  26. Bpk

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    I'm torn on Gruden.

    I think in many ways I (and maybe other fans) are attracted to his persona more than anything. Yes he is intense, he is passionate, like we fans are.

    He has won a SB, so that's credibility.

    But he's also had issues with locker-rooms and people in organizations getting... well, fed up of him and his schtick, for lack of a better word.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    I think Gruden is the one that's going to stay out of coaching to be honest. I'd see Cowher go back before Gruden.
     
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  28. Vertical Limit

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    I think Cowher would be tempted to come back because of the ridiculous money these coaches are making... I bet he thinks he can get Ross to pay him 10-12 million per year.... I mean Jeff Fisher ($7M) and Mike Shanahan ($7M) both made just 500k less than Belichick and Payton last year... Cowher being the big name that he is can definitely get Ross to pay him 10-12 million per season... and then leave after 2-3 seasons and retire again.
     
  29. pocoloco

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    Yes, I believe Marino has that sort of pull
     
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  30. unifiedtheory

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    When Gus Malzahn and Jim Harbaugh are potentially out there I don't understand any fascination with Bill Cowher. He is so far out of the game. He'd only be coming back for the pay cheque.
     
  31. pocoloco

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    If Philbin fails, my guess is that Ross will bring in a "name". Jim Harbaugh and Bill Cowher would be my guesses for his short list and Marino helps with either, but particularly with Cowher. From Cowher's perspective, Marino can "sell" Ross on his plan, which would almost certainly include full control of everything on top of being the highest paid coach

    I hope Philbin succeeds. I actually like the guy. But there is no question that Ross has an important recruiter in place.
     
  32. padre31

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    Exactly, it is almost like a fetish
     
  33. heylookatme

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    I hope Philbin succeeds this season, but I don't think he's a good coach. I don't think the team will succeed because of him. I'd rather be stuck with a marginal coach than watch another year of meaningless Dolphins football, though. **** my life.
     
  34. KeyFin

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    Are we really going to start the "Fire Philbin" chants two weeks before the season starts? If so, we might as well watch golf on Sundays.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    Those chants should have already begun months ago.
     
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  36. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It was a huge mistake not to have fired Philbin at the end of last season.
     
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  37. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Well, if it means that we can fire him when Malzahn/Harbaugh are available, it'll be worth it.
     
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  38. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's still problematic. You hired a GM instead of firing Philbin. You probably should be giving Hickey more than one year and firing him doesn't really project a sense of stability. On the other hand, a high end coach is going to want personnel decisions or to hand-pick a GM, and Ross has repeatedly and disastrously tried to piecemeal things together and push guys on the team on new coaches. He's also not a particularly well-regarded figure in league circles.

    They should have cleaned house last year, and hopefully will this year.
     
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  39. slickj101

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    Is he handsome enough for you Barry?
     
  40. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Given that the Dolphins are already playing copycat with respect to Chip Kelly's approach by hiring Bill Lazor and having him install the better part of the playbook used in Philadelphia, it actually wouldn't shock me at all if they were to pursue Gus Malzahn.

    But the first guy pursued will be Jim Harbaugh. I don't know what the tampering rules are but they will almost certainly be guilty of whatever tampering rules are in existence for coaches.
     
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