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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 29, 2015.
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Your thoughts - has he been better than expected?
he has been pretty good so far, hope it carries over to the regular season.
If he can somehow become an effective player for us it will be quite a turnaround. Last season it looked like a miracle couldn't save this guy, but he is certainly making me a believer. We'll see once it truly matters.
Ya it would appear the young man has improved. Not gonna call for a pro-bowl or anything, but moderate to good improvement is all we can ask.
It's just so hard to get over what McCoy did to him last year...
He now appears to be a serviceable left guard, and if he is just left alone and not continually moved around we should be good enough there with him.
Dallas Thomas should have been good. Was probably the best player on that Tennessee line and had/has the tools needed to be a good player. For whatever reason, they never coalesced into even a serviceable NFL player. Maybe he turns out to be a poor, and I mean destitute, man's Mike Webster who took a while to really become that good player.
Am I on drugs???
Well, in the past we've cut players like Evan Mathis, Wade Smith, and Donald Thomas... all of which turned out to be very good players elsewhere a little later in their careers with some patience.
Hopefully the same situation is playing out with Dallas Thomas...
We should be so lucky.
Generally speaking, offensive linemen get a raw deal. They do. I mean, they could have 9 plays where they block their guy fairly well, where they "win." Yet it's that one play where you drop your head and the defender goes around you like you're standing still... he then sacks the qb and that leads to a turnover and that's all that most fans remember. I'm not saying Dallas Thomas is turning the corner for us just yet. But why can't we be happy with him from tonight's game? Why can't we be happy if he progresses from here into a fine starter?
I would be if I saw what others were seeing. I didn't think he played well so I am trying to figure out what I missed.
He did get roasted on that one play where the DE cut sharp inside to blow up a run...that one was ugly. The word "Ole" comes to mind.
No OL is perfect, aside from Anthony Munoz in his prime, they will get beaten.
My issue with Thomas is he plays confused and out of balance to often, he is as big as a house if he could ever learn to set his *** DOWN and play over his feet and be aggressive he can play much much better
Will Bill the Dolphins 20k for this advice LOL
I am really pulling for him, and he has taken some strides in his game, but I hope he is talking this way after game 3 against the Bills.
You make valid points, but I cannot agree with you for personal reasons.
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He seems to have taken the exact opposite mental approach to what we saw with Martin....if nothing else, that's a great sign. He hears the noise and he's fighting to be better because he understands (correctly) that good play is the only win-win scenario for him, his coaches, his team and its fans.
Personally, I don't think Thomas was entirely bad last year. I said that before. He was inconsistent, which in terms of O-linemen is read as "bad" by fans who take the cynical view and only notice the negatives. Fact is, he played relatively well in the game against Denver in which the team scored 35. He can be a good player and everyone should realize that. As others have said, the flashes are there and he's got the physical potential in him. It's no different than any young player. He's got to be more consistent and I credit the coaches with understanding that position stability is going to be a big part of that.
So far this year, Dallas Thomas has been a lot better than people feared he might be. He's looked, dare I say, solid. That doesn't mean he's elite, but he's not the pure liability he's been painted as and he may not have ever been that in fairness. If he continues to develop, the team will have won a very big battle and will have found a diamond in the rough.
OL's deadliest "sin" is to allow instant pressure, Thomas was the master of doing exactly that DGreg.
When an offensive lineman is not even a speed bump, they should be replaced
Nice to see Thomas go out and give a big F-U to the haters.
This is also something to keep in mind regarding Billy Turner, since he's only in his second year:
Let's hope they both continue to get better so that we'll be set at guard for the next few years.
this is what stands out to you ? looking bad against a pro bowler ? i think there were several other moments last year that made him look like he does not belong
but you are a kind of debbie downer anyways, so no worries....
He's gonna have to be a lot better to make up for passing on Mathis
thats one of your famous arrogant posts you like to make, making comparisons like they are facts, because you said so...so annoying...munoz gave up some sacks as well so he also wasn't perfect
Munoz literally went through an entire season giving up 1 sack
Look. The player I have seen this preseason based solely on results is far better than what he has been in the past. Lets be honest, the guy has sucked hard the last two years. Thus far in the preseason at least he has been good enough where I am not as worried about him at left guard. He was even serviceable last night at left tackle.
I hope it is not a mirage and he really is improving as much as it seems.
Ja'Wuan James was on that line, so, no. Thomas was not the best player.
Mike Webster was behind a very good veteran center his first two seasons. Beginning in his 3rd season he took over as the starter and stayed there for well over 200 games. Different situation than Thomas now.
I thought he played alright. I was expecting disaster, like last season when he started at RT. Overall, it wasn't too shabby of a performance, albeit against a rookie Vic Beasly.
But that's not at all what Dallas Thomas looks like right now, so why would you talk like that other than to be negative and cite only the bad plays of his NFL youth?
Expecting that a young player coming into the NFL--one that is attempting to changing positions--isn't going to make mistakes is just not reasonable. It's intellectually dishonest to hold those kinds of standards and to call for 1-year starters to be replaced with expensive free agents on the basis that they looked immature. You could build an O-line of first rounders and it will still look like a bunch of young guys at times--because that's what it would be. Well, Dallas Thomas--at times--has looked like a young player out there, sometimes allowing immediate pressure. But to say that was always who he was, even during last season, is a flat out lie. It's a fan-driven agenda which is sustained for the sake of saving face and which was originally enacted to in hopes of selling the argument that certain FAs should be signed or particular college players drafted.
But that's the problem with forums. With nothing else to complain about, fans type over and over and over and over how they don't like certain guys. If you express the same things time and time again, sooner or later even the person saying them will take them as gospel. After months of that, the player's image is so beaten down, no one dares stand up to defend him and say, 'hey, this guy is developing, give him a chance.'
It's not a good look for Dolphins fans that they so consistently belittle so many of the young, developing guys on the roster. Fans are going to have to learn a little patience. There are 3 first round picks on this O-line...it's perfect natural that someone like Dallas Thomas is working to be one of the mid-rounders that fills it out.
Thomas is not there yet. But neither is Tannehill. This is a team that's trying to grow into something. We give Tannehill all the chances in the world and make excuses about how he plays in the tough AFC East and how Luck plays in the easy AFC South. Okay...why aren't we extending those same excuses to Dallas Thomas who has to face pretty brutal AFC East defensive linemen?
Do no rely on fans in a forum to give you a fair analysis of players--even ones on the very team that root for. They will celebrate some and torch others because it's tradition.
Nothing wrong with that..I have been complaining since we drafted him to put him at his natural LG Position, which they have finally done and he I'd playing real good ball. Even filled in ok at LT last night. Give Turner the same chance fellows and Douglas and we will have a very decent unit blocking up front. Lamar looks like he is really ready to break out this year.
He also had a false start on the second series which resulted in having to punt.
J Douglas also got owned on that play.
See, this is what irks me. Taking two plays from an entire half, blowing them up to breathe life into a dying narrative. Jawaun James was smoked and nearly got Moore killed on the final drive in the first half. Where's the GIF of rhat? Where's the GIF of Thomas doing an expert job pulling out and nailing his defender twice on the same play?
This Wharton guy is a clown. Trolling a young Dolphin to get a few cheap hits for himself. Thomas was playing LT for the first time since preseason game one in his rookie season, yeah he had a couple bad plays. Surprise surprise. Fact remains a lot of blowhards were talking about benching Tannehill bc Thomas was at LT. Was Tannehill even touched once in that game? Meanwhile Matt Ryan had to be yanked early bc Miami's DL was about ready to take his head off. But yeah, let's zoom in on Dallas Thomas.
What passes for journalism these days is a joke.
Good post Sir. I Def think moving Thomas around so much has contributed to his struggles. But it also speaks to the level of confidence the coaches have in him.
Dallas Thomas is trash. Can't move his damn feet in pass protect, and can't move a shopping cart in run blocking.
I agree, much better than what some pundits were saying and projecting antonio richardson would be, I thought richardson would bust and Thomas woud be a solid pro with a 3rd round grade, obviously his start wasn't good by any means, but he was a pure left guard in college and should of been cemented there when he entered the pros, jury is still out whether he's servicable or not.
**** you, man.
See? Not negative at all!
I think Thomas has improved. He still gets burned. But, he's better than he was. Seems to be improving.
I think a big factor going forward will be his having some good games and improving confidence. The more confident he becomes the better he will play.
He had a bad play last night (but he was at LT). Overall, I thought he performed well.
It will be interesting to see if they think he is the next best LT out there and if they will play him there the first couple of games over Fox. I'd really prefer for him to play OG.
The deeper concern is Turner. U-G-L-Y ...
You agree?? You forgot Ja'Wuan James was on that line, or do you think Thomas is better of the two?
IMO Thomas has been good at G. I would say he was still a below average LT (which is a huge improvement from the train wreck he was at RT last year). I think Tannehill covered up how weak our OL was last night. I'm comfortable with him at LG going forward.
I forgot about James, James wasnt coming out that year and Richardson was getting a lot of early hype, some even saying first round, I was like oh hell no, id rather have thomas than richardson.