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Daniel Craig officially out as James Bond

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  1. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ie-bosses-Actor-turns-68m-deal-two-films.html

    This had been coming for some time, but man, he wanted out. He apparently turned down over 99 million dollars for two more films. Early speculation has Tom Hiddleston as the favorite to take over the role. Not sure how I feel about that. I've not seen him in anything other than the MCU as Loki. I remember all the speculation the last time, and what a freak out it was when Craig got the role. I think that its likely whoever gets it will do just fine.

    On an aside, I learned from the article that Craig is married to Rachel Weiz. What a life that guy's had the last decade!
     
  2. ToddPhin

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    Hiddleston's role/performance in the short series Night Manager suggests he might be a James Bond fit.
     
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  3. Oghma

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    There was some speculation before that Idris Elba was in the mix for the role. I'd love that to happen.
     
  4. Den54

    Den54 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I would like to see Tom Hardy as James Bond.
     
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  5. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Rosen Staff Member Club Member

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    I haven't seen much of Elba to have a strong opinion of him. However, he's 44, and I would think that might be a bit old for someone if they're planning on making 4+ movies with the same actor, compared to Hiddleston, who's 35 for example.
     
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  6. Oghma

    Oghma Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Elba is 44 already? Man, I feel old
     
  7. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral Staff Member

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    Benedict Cumberbatch would be an interesting Bond.
     
  8. finfansince72

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    Too bad, I really liked him as Bond.
     
  9. SICK

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    Hiddleston
    Hardy
    Charlie Hunnam

    Are my top three to be bond


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  10. Sumlit

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    Idris Elba doesn't look like a Bond to me. Same with Tom Hardy. They both look and feel more like the Adventure Hero types. Too much of badasses. They'd be better suited for the Harrison Ford type roles, Indiana Jones, Han Solo and the like.

    Hiddlestone and Cumberbacth have more of that refined English gentleman look of Bond.

    But then again, Craig never looked like a Bond to me. Always looked more like a gritty bar brawler then a gentleman spy.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    Never heard of Idris Elba.

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  12. Unlucky 13

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    I'd never heard of Hunnam, so I looked him up on IMDB and though I've heard of some of the things he's been in, I haven't seen any. I've only seen Hardy in Inception and Batman, and obviously those roles are very different from Bond.
     
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    Motha****a, I will punk yo *** fo sayin' some ****!

    Read that and had a reaction similar to Stringer when Poot aks if "does chair know we gon' look like some punk *** *****es out there?"

    [video=youtube;Oj8JBBAM5jY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj8JBBAM5jY[/video]
     
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    By the way, with the direction the Bond franchize has been headed since they moved to Craig, I woulnd't be surprised to see the next iteration of Bond portrayed by Shia Labeuf, directed by Michael Bay.

    They turned Bond into a clown show.
     
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    Sony sucks at movie franchises. Look at what they're doing to my beloved Ghostbusters.

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  17. ToddPhin

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    has he even gotten laid yet in real life?
     
  18. vt_dolfan

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    I'm definitely going to have a hard time getting over Craig not as James Bond as he's easily my favorite Bond ever.. And this is coming from someone who's first movie was Moonraker.

    At the time I loved Roger Moore as Bond...but I can't really go back and watch the old Bond movies because I like the Craig versions so much. Skyfall was easily the best Bond movie in my opinion.

    It would weird seeing Elba as Bond.. Would just take a bit to get used to a black guy as James Bond.. But I much rather prefer him to Hiddleston. He would be more the polished suave Bond, where I love the grittier Craig Bond.

    Right now I'm definitely not excited about future Bond movies... But that could change.

    I wouldn't mind Jeremy Renner as Bond..but he's not British. Aidan Turner has second best odds per the bookies to play 007 behind Hiddleston. Could get behind that casting possibly.
     
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  19. ToddPhin

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    That's why they should go with a young up-and-coming British star like Nicholas Hoult who can pull off that refined, sophisticated look. See his Jaguar commercial below. In 5-10 years, Hoult is the ideal Bond, but they can use his youth to their advantage by doing a younger Bond [maybe showing how he became Bond, his initial training, plus his first assignment] in orderto break up the routine and rejuvenate fan interest.

    [video=youtube;eH3yRyl8t7Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH3yRyl8t7Y[/video]

    ....then compare Hoult's Jag commercial to Tom Hiddleston's. These 2 commercials kinda feel like a James Bond audition BTW.
    [video=youtube;fGas3e7p_9A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGas3e7p_9A[/video]

    For me, Hoult offers a better Bond presence hands down.
     
  20. ToddPhin

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    What about Jude Law?
     
  21. vt_dolfan

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    You know.... I like that idea.A lot actually.
     
  22. Den54

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    Jude Law is not masculine enough.
     
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  23. Unlucky 13

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    It goes contrary to your idea about Hoult, since Law is in his mid-40s :lol:

    I think that he'd do a fine job in the role, but not a special one.
     
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  24. Paul 13

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    Since he's married with child... I would have to say yes.
     
  25. Paul 13

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    Andrew Lincoln... :shifty:... I mean, if he wanted to be known for something other than Rick Grimes.
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    yeah but while she's banging him she's probably thinking of James Bond. :lol:
     
  27. Vengeful Odin

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    Pretty sure that this was called Casino Royale. I don't really need to see that remade again so soon.
     
  28. Ludacris

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    How about Michael Fassbender?
     
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    I have to agree with VT, I liked Craig as a Bond. He was sharp and edgy while still being a ladies guy. Closest I can come to it is Phillip Winchester (Strike Back's Michael Stonebridge). Hardy wouldnt be a bad choice either.

    Whoever suggested Jude Law must have loved Roger Moore as James Bond (easily the worst Bond selection imo). Thats beyond awful.
     
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  30. ToddPhin

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    No it wasn't. Daniel Craig was a badass from the moment he was introduced in Casino Royale, only he wasn't wearing his "Bond badge", but he might as well have been with the way he commandeered the frontloader and then navigated the scaffoldings en route to chasing down the bad guy. That's not character development, sorry.

    ......... And like you haven't seen 20 different "James Bond tackles the villain" movies? That's heavily more redundant than seeing a mid 20 year old James Bond becoming Bond. That's partly why Spectre was uncaptivating, because people have grown tired and bored of the same ol' "Bond goes on an action mission". Break up the darn monotony. What's the highest rated of the 4 Bond films with Daniel Craig? It's Casino Royale with an IMDb rating of 8.0. Quantum of Solace checked in at 6.7. Skyfall redeemed the series at 7.8.... and then Spectre dumped it back down to 6.9. So it looks like the "intro to Bond" episode was the best received of the four, just sayin.

    Besides, Casino Royale was 10 years ago and isn't the same thing as what I suggested. The entire 30 & under crowd now was 20 & under when Casino Royale was released. Daniel Craig was 38 at the time. Nicholas Hoult is currently 26. If they're to use a new Bond, I personally would prefer to see some time spent on character development with the first movie [much like Batman Begins] rather than just jumping right into a seasoned James Bond followed by 3 more movies of "same story different day". IMO each new Bond should be provided his own new and unique back story.

    At 26 years of age, Nicholas Hoult would allow us to take Bond to a new level of character development not previously seen. He'd allow us to see what Bond was like in his 20's. Have you seen that yet? Daniel Craig was 38 in his Bond 1. Pierce Brosnan was 41. Dalton was 43. Roger Moore was 46. Connery was 32. The closest we've seen to a "young Bond" was 54 years ago. So how 'bout an actual glimpse into his earlier life for once. Why was Breaking Bad so great? -because we didn't immediately see Bryan Cranston as Heisenberg. We were able to see the transformation from Walter White to Heisenberg. Someone like Hoult would allow us to see a deeper transformation. The next Bond will have at least 3 or 4 movies to his own. If you're suggesting we shouldn't experience any character development over that long of a span, then I say huey on that.

    Skyfall is the highest rated Bond of all time on IMDb. You say Skyfall is a reason to not do another intro to Bond movie. Well, I'd say the highest rated Bond flick of all time is a reason to do another intro.... but with some actual depth this time.
     
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  33. CaribPhin

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    I think if the producers decide to embrace the 'multiple bonds' fan theory, then Elba can make it work. Tbh, aside from really liking him as an actor, I'd just want to see the disproportionate amount of internet tears shed if he were named Bond. ANY new Bond would cause tears, but the Elba tears would be a special brand. I'd scour the internet bottling them up as my prized possession. Think of the screenshots, think of the Twitter tirades, think of the YouTube videos. Could you imagine the rioting? Embrace chaos, my friends, it's good for you.
     
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  34. Paul 13

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    Welll im rooting for the first transgendered Bond. Straight up with a "twist".
     
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  35. Clark Kent

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    Nicholas Hoult? Jude Law? Damien Lewis? No... just no... I don't even really like Hiddleston for Bond either. I would rather they look for more of an "unknown" than try and push a square peg through a round hole.
     
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  36. Stringer Bell

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    How about Andy Samberg???
     
  37. cuchulainn

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    No.

    Seriously, NO.

    Really enjoy BC's "Sherlock" and various other characters/movies, but hated him as Khan in that Star Trek wannabe movie; and, much like Pierce Brosnan, he lacks the physicality to be an effective Bond.

    I am looking forward to his take on "Dr Strange".
     
  38. cuchulainn

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    Another No. Forget the accents and mannerisms. Connery and Craig defined the role thru physical presence. They were intimidating. Moore, Brosnan, etc... were popular pretty boys with accents. Moore got the role via playing "The Saint", and Brosnan via "Remington Steele". And Timothy Dalton... yech... None were nearly as good as Connery, Craig, or even George Lazenby. Bond has to be physically imposing to some extent.
     
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  39. ToddPhin

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    Yes.
    Warning - tl/dr ahead, lol. A couple years after being orphaned at 11, Bond was sent to a boys boarding school- Eton College, founded in 1440 by King Henry Vl. Incidentally, Bond's creator, Ian Flemming, attended Eton. Photo of the impressive school:
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    Eton school's background: Over the years, it has educated 19 Prime Ministers and has been referred to as "the chief nurse of England's statesman". In 1970, of the 1000 peers listed as members of the British House of Lords, no fewer than 366 were educated at Eton. It's been deemed "the most famous public school in the world", and has the strongest ties to Oxford and Cambridge around. A 20th century historian of Eton wrote, "No other school can claim to have sent forth such a cohort of distinguished figures to make their mark on the world". In the 50's [when Bond was created] substandard work at Eton was punished via domestic chores, and misbehavior was punished by caning the bare posterior in a semi-public ceremony. Athletics were dominated by mostly white sports- rowing, rugby, soccer, cricket, and tennis. The school was and is firmly entrenched in white European culture and white European history dating back to King Henry Vl. It was written by an ex student who attended both Eton and a normal public school that attending Eton really heightens a student's ability to concentrate at levels not seen at normal public schools. That too had a hand in developing 007.

    Here's the uniform that young Bond wore at Eton [which clearly influenced his sophisticated look later as 007].
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    So as you can easily imagine, Eton was predominantly a white school [obvious understatement]. More than a decade after James Bond was created, there were only 2 black students in Eton's attendance. Dillibe Onyemama was one, and he was either the first or one of their first black students since its inception 600 years prior. So, not only was it unlikely [bordering on impossible] for Bond to have been a black student at Eton, but the stressful life of being the school's first black student would've drastically altered Bond's future. Despite being the grandson of the King of Ibo and the son of a prominent Nigerian judge, Onyemama was so harassed and persecuted at Eton that he never could've become 007, as his mindset was understandably too fixated on highlighting, exposing, and fighting racial inequality. Read his book titles and see for yourself.

    After Eton, Bond attended a second all-boys boarding school, Fettes College in Edinburg, Scotland.... AKA "Eton of the North". Photo:
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    Fettes College was founded by Sir William Fettes, a Lord Provost of Edinburg and wealthy city merchant. This alma matter to Tony Blair is another prestigious school based strongly on white European culture and white European history, with little to no African student population when Bond was created and still very little to this day. Incidentally, Fettes College was JK Rowling's inspiration for Hogworts School. Life at Fettes revolves around white sports like rugby, hockey, cricket, golf, table tennis, and squash in the afternoons and the various clubs and societies like sub-aqua, shooting, judo, fencing, CCF (Combined Cadet Force), debating society, drama, chess, war gaming, model railway, music society, and classic dancing club in the evenings. I can see why Ian Flemming chose this secondary school for Bond b/c it really sets the table for the creation of 007. Bond's father also attended Fettes, so you can see how that assisted the shaping of young JB into 007 as well. At Fettes, James entrenched himself among the traditionally famous athletic circles, and by the time he left at age 17 he had twice fought for the school as a light-weight and had, in addition, founded the first serious judo class at a British public school [yet another influence leading to James becoming 007].

    Photo of Fettes uniforms and student appearance [again, influencing JB's later sophisticated, cultured look as 007]:
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    Bond then attended the University of Geneva [a predominantly white university in a city with 1% black population] in Switzerland [a predominantly white country]...... and was then taught to ski in the small medieval Austrian town of Kitzbuhel (how many black folks were taking skiing lessons in the 50's, let alone in the heavily white, if not all white town of Kitzbuhel?).

    In addition to Bond's school life at prominent Anglo Saxon boarding institutions, during a time when it was more exclusive to white folks, JB was raised by a pair of cultured, well-educated, sophisticated and adventurous parents who died climbing the French Alps (how many black couples do you think climbed the Alps when Bond was created?... or how about in the present day?). His mother was a Spy Hunter for Mi6 (what are the chances of there being a black female British Spy Hunter in the 1950's... or even 20 years ago?). He even drinks a "white man's drink", drives a "white man's car", and dresses like a wealthy white businessman. There's a reason James Bond is prominently the most cultured, refined, sophisticated, and educated white male action character in cinematic history. His creator went through great lengths to make him that way. It didn't occur out of sheer happenstance. His upbringing and schooling were strongly founded on white European history, white European/British society, and white European/British culture. I'd say that that more than qualifies as being "based on race". Forget the fact that Ian Flemming specifically created Bond as a white character and described him as being white, it's not plausibly possible for James Bond 007 to be black w/o rewriting his entire life..... but if you do that, he's no longer James Bond.

    As you can see, 007 is as white as Shaft is black, and there doesn't need to be racial undertones for that distinction to hold true. Racially speaking, white people collectively not having had to face discrimination issues doesn't make a white individual any less white or any less void of foundation or depth, but it seems like some people treat it that way. Just as Shaft was shaped by racial issues, the absence of racial issues had a hand in shaping Bond. So either way, it's still racial, only one way is overtly racial while the other is subcutaneous and inferred. As far as prominent cinematic action characters go though, Bond is probably the whitest of them all if we're omitting Westerns and that racist bigot John Wayne. Is Bond's character entitled to less integrity just b/c he didn't face Shaft's racial issues? What about Bond succeeding in life after being orphaned at 11 [similar to Batman]? Since white characters can't have racial obstacles to overcome, being a child orphan is the elementary equivalent to it, and being orphaned is an important aspect of both James Bond and Bruce Wayne's storyline in that neither would've become 007 or Batman without it. There's a reason Bond has been so iconic for so long, and that's b/c he represents the white man's fantasy life that they live vicariously through for 2 hours. That only happens b/c Bond is as white as it gets w/o being Mr Drummond.

    There's nothing wrong with having a black actor cast as an Mi6 agent. He's just not James Bond. He'd have to be 006 or something and be given an entirely different backstory for it to plausibly fit. If they did that with Idris Elba or Chiwetel Ejiofor, I'd see it in a heartbeat.
     
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