Yikes, he's slow to begin with.

 

djphinfan is right on the money with his analysis... should be an exciting year :yes:

 

thomas could be very good with a zone blocking scheme here, if not mistaken he ran in a zone scheme in college. he did not look good last season, and honestly its good to hear his comments saying he was injured and lacked confidence. because he looked like his mind was messed up, lacked confidence, and was injured. if thomas can pan out i like our backfield,,, i kinda wonder if miller is healthy enough to play right away, maybe put him on pup til week 8 and make sure he is healthy. camp is gonna be interesting this season, looking forward to it.

 

Awesome. So then everyone in the league should add 7 lbs of muscle because it has zero negative effects. And then they can add 7 more lbs of muscle because that doesn't have any negative effect. And then 7 more.

 

Honestly it sounds to me like Daniel Thomas is latching onto the injuries in his mind and blaming them for his poor production. But toward the end of the season, Weeks 15, 16 and 17 when he's running 25 times for 73 yard (2.9 ypc)...he wasn't injured. He just sucked. Oh but that's where the "confidence" comes into play. How clever. A way to blame the injury even when you weren't injured. Well, let me say that if a few minor dings and scrapes can shake your confidence to that degree, you're probably not meant for the NFL.

Daniel Thomas needs to grow up, and stuff like scapegoating injuries and talking about lost confidence doesn't show me that he's actually doing that. The move to a different run scheme, closer to the one he had success with in college, will probably help him be a little more successful. But for that to happen the OL has to come together because I doubt he's going to do anything with the ball in his hands that the OL didn't already do for him. That's my opinion.

 

It's all going to come down to the offensive line. Forget Thomas, or any other power back. You could have had a young Larry Csonka running behind Colombo and Carey last season, and he wouldn't have gone anywhere either. Reggie did well because he's a different kind of back.

 

I do understand and agree with you, he should definitely be more accountable, but as someone who plays competitive (yet amateur) sports at least 3 times a week, I can personally vouch for the fact that a hammy injury can be severely bothersome. It is an injury that lingers. It is an injury that can be re-aggravated at any time after the first rehab cycle - you never give it enough time to heal. If re-aggravated, the injury is compounded. Even when healed, there is still a 'sensation' in the hammy that doesn't go away for a while (took me over a year without any rehab). I could still run, and all out, but during warm ups, and even during games, the sensation was there as if it can pop at any time. That can have a profound impact on a player. Trust me when I say the hamstring is a wild injury, and in fact it is very telling that there is a term named after it in "hamstrung" that can be applied to non sports/injury related conversations. You are severely limited if experiencing the injury. Confidence in ones body can definitely be affected, and in all likelihood will be affected.

Really, it took me over a year to fully heal. With pro training and rehab regimens, yes, that time is drastically reduced, but it doesn't change the nature of the injury. In short, through personal experience I can relate to Thomas, and just ask that we be patient to let him show what he has this year.

 

Really CK? It is easy to take any statement and make a negative about it, you’re saying he needs to grow up, stop blaming injuries, sorry brother that is horse ****. Injuries do play a part in ones mental makeup, and to understand that and be able to move on from it does show progression.

 

No offense but you're not an NFL caliber tailback. Daniel Thomas is trying to put forth the notion that he is actually a good runner, but that his little minor nicks and scrapes from 2011 took him from being a good runner to being a 3.5 ypc guy behind the same OL that helped Reggie Bush spring for a career year rushing the ball.

Everyone in the NFL has scrapes and nicks and that includes hamstring issues. Tailbacks deal with even more than average. Hell, Maurice Jones-Drew can barely even move for 4 days of the week during the season. Daniel Thomas may think that he's doing a smart thing by blaming the little minor dings that he took in 2011, but I don't think that's the case. It's just a fact that successful NFL tailbacks have to be bullet proof. They can't let minor dings hurt their "confidence" to where they go from (supposedly, theoretically) a good player all the way to a terrible one.

 

Apple meet orange, orange meet apple

 

So you enjoy the prospect of having a tailback that goes three yards and a cloud of excuses? I don't. They don't hand out Super Bowl trophies based on the quality of your excuse-making.

 

CK you have heard of different degrees of injuries yes?....

 

Only if they're still growing.

 

Yes. Now tell me why Daniel Thomas was so hurt he was cleared to play for 13 games this season?

 

You are missing my entire point. I tried to make you understand that a hamstring injury is no minor nick or scrape. And MJD can take chromosome shots/local anesthetics shots or whatever they inject to help their nicks and scrapes, and shot knees etc, but none of those injections are effective against hamstring and other muscle related injuries. And of the lot, the hamstring is one of the most limiting muscle injuries.

If you've had any prior experiences like mine, or Thomas', maybe you can relate better I guess.

And why would I take offense that you don't consider me an NFL caliber back? I play CB! :)

 

What is the difference between excuse and a reason?

He saw a problem, and then he worked out to be build his body up to withstand the punishment of the NFL. If he was making excuses, he wouldn't do anything in the offseason to fix his problem.

Plus the fact that it isn't rare for rookies to be pretty bad towards the end of the season. It is so common there is a term for it.

 

I love this assumption that Daniel Thomas' hamstring injuries absolutely must have been the worst possible hamstring injuries any player could ever have while still being cleared to play in 13 games during the season. Whatever theoretical line there is where a player's injury is bad enough to declare him out, his hamstring HAD to be at the very brink of it. Definitely. He didn't have dings and scrapes that most NFL players deal with every week. He's an American Hero.

 

Please don't put words in my mouth; I said I think you are full of crap saying injuries don't change a player mental makeup. Sorry we are all not super god like you and suck up any injury and not be the worse for it.

Brother I have seen injuries drop the toughest of men while others with the same injury plug on.

Also, all I said was it is not an excuses but a fact that injuries can cause a difference in play. For you to sit on your high horse and look down on anyone without firsthand knowledge is pretty petty. It reminds me of the arrogant Dr. I deal with concerning Wounded Warriors. Most of the time I believe it comes down to the Dr cannot relate because they themselves have never had to deal the injury and pain.

 

Beautiful use of hyperbole.

 

Get me a job on the medical staff where I can have first hand knowledge and you got it. Make sure to tell them I am a combat medic and I do have some medical background.

 

Your saying you think DTs injury last year was handled correctly

 

There are varying degrees of hamstring injuries, and maybe the fact that he was cleared to play 13 games is exactly contrary to your beliefs. Maybe he decided to play through the injury, therefore NOT making excuses during the season and playing with the so called "nicks and scrapes". It could go both ways.

 

Do you have any medical background? A simple understanding of injuries goes a long way.....but I guess you just have to hate on the man so there is not telling you anything.

 

Do you have any reason to assume it was not?

 

It is a no win situation and the perfect storm for someone who want to criticize a player. If they fight through it and have a bad season, they suck and cannot deal with injury. If they don’t play they are weak and injury prone. If someone wants to hate a player they can and will find a reason to.

 

Why is it that you assume you've got a good perspective on what quality NFL players must deal with injury-wise in order to be quality NFL players? Just curious.

 

OR the player can play through the injury and play well, just as most good players around the league do. You know, since we're assuming Daniel Thomas is any good.

 

Are you kidding? Him being hurt, then playing. Then missing a game due to it, then playing, then missing more action. And so on.

You see no problem with handling your rookie RBs hamstring such? I know you know better then that, hamstrings aren't muscles to play with at that position, yet he was ran out there when he obviously wasn't ready.

 

This is quickly turing into a onesided argument

A one-sided argument can be represented with an audience A, an argument D, the pro side B and the con side C.

1.Premise: A is true if B applied to D is true and C applied to D is false.
2.Premise: If A is true then B applied to D is true and C applied to D is false.
3.Premise: B applied to D is true.
4.Conclusion: A is true.
This is a fallacy because if B applied to D is true, it doesn't follow that C applied to D is false. IE injury

 

Examples?

 

Again, I'm not sure what evidence you're trying to put forward that the medical people are guilty of malpractice, which is what you're suggesting.

 

Ok. Well we don't have inside information since we aren't in the training room and on the staff, sorry I don't have physical evidence.

Do you have evidence his injury was handled correctly?

 

I'm not, you are however. I base mine off personal experience as a medic in the Army. Where several injuries are similar caused by similar type of stress requirements on the body. So my back ground has allowed me to experience torn ACL’s, MCL’s , LCL’s, other types of ligament and tendon damage, sprains and strains, stress fractures, open and closed fractures, muscle tears, among many others.

So, what are you basing you argument off of?

 

See Nappy, if A = B and C = D, then A cannot = C, how could we have not seen this from the get go. CK has it all figured out, there is only one way to = 10 and that 5+5. There is no other way it is black and white right there for you.

 

A player that looses confidence in himself can develop mental issues such as second guessing and such. Until he gains full confidence there can be the mental issue still. And that can be any position at any talent level.

 

Stop you are making sense, we will have none of that in here....

 

Gladly. All of the following dealt with hamstring injuries this year:

Aaron Kampman
Adam Jones
Adam Snyder
Adrian Clayborn
Alfonso Smith
Amari Spievey
Andre Holmes
Andre Johnson
Andrew Gachkar
Andrew Hawkins
Anthony Armstrong
Anthony Gonzalez
Antoine Bethea
Antonio Cromartie
Antwan Applewhite
Aqib Talib
Arian Foster
Arnaz Battle
Asante Samuel
Atari Bigby
Ben Tate
Bernard Scott
Brad Jones
Brad Smith
Brandon Harris
Brandon Hughes
Brandon Jacobs
Brian Robiskie
Brice McCain
Brit Miller
Bryant Johnson
Bryant McFadden
Byron Westbrook
Cameron Wake
Captain Munnerlyn
Carlos Dunlap
Carnell Williams
Cassius Vaughn
Cecil Shorts
Chad Clifton
Chad Ochocinco
Champ Bailey
Chansi Stuckey
Charles Clay
Chimdi Chekwa
Chris Carter
Chris Chamberlain
Chris Clemons
Chris Cook
Chris Harris
Chris Ivory
Chris Johnson
Chris Prosinski
Chris Wells
Chris White
Christian Ballard
Clark Haggans
Colin McCarthy
Courtney Greene
Damian Williams
Dan Gronkowski
Danario Alexander
Daniel Thomas
Darrel Young
DeJon Gomes
Dekoda Watson
DeMarco Sampson
DeMarcus Van Dyke
DeMeco Ryans
Derrick Martin
Donnie Avery
Donte' Stallworth
Doug Hogue
Dunta Robinson
Early Doucet
Earnest Graham
Eric Foster
Eric Wright
Erin Henderson
Felix Jones
Frank Zombo
Frostee Rucker
Garrett Graham
Gary Guyton
Gerald McRath
Gosder Cherilus
Greg Jones
Hakeem Nicks
Isaiah Trufant
Jacob Bell
Jacoby Ford
James Sanders
Jarrad Page
Jarriel King
Jarvis Moss
Jason Peters
Jason Snelling
Jeff Cumberland
Jeff Maehl
Jeremy Maclin
Jerious Norwood
Jermaine Cunningham
Jermaine Gresham
Jerraud Powers
Jerricho Cotchery
Jim Leonhard
Jimmy Wilson
Johnathan Joseph
Joseph Addai
Josh Hull
Josh Wilson
Joshua Cribbs
Julio Jones
Justin Durant
Kamerion Wimbley
Kassim Osgood
Kelly Jennings
Kelvin Hayden
Kennard Cox
Kenny Onatolu
Kenrick Ellis
Kirk Morrison
Knowshon Moreno
Kris Durham
Kyle Adams
LaMarr Woodley
Lance Moore
LaRod Stephens-Howling
LaRon Landry
Larry Asante
Larry Foote
Laurent Robinson
Lawrence Jackson
Lawrence Vickers
Logan Paulsen
London Fletcher
Malcolm Smith
Marcedes Lewis
Marcus Gilchrist
Marquice Cole
Maurkice Pouncey
Mewelde Moore
Michael Adams
Michael Boley
Michael Huff
Mike Goodson
Mike Jenkins
Mike Pollak
Mike Tolbert
Mike Wallace
Mike Williams
Miles Austin
Mohamed Massaquoi
Nate Allen
Nate Clements
Nolan Carroll
Oshiomogho Atogwe
Parys Haralson
Patrick Bailey
Patrick Willis
Peyton Hillis
Phillip Tanner
Plaxico Burress
Quentin Jammer
Quinton Carter
Quinton Spears
Rashard Mendenhall
Rashied Davis
Ray McDonald
Raymond Ventrone
Reggie Walker
Riley Cooper
Rob Gronkowski
Ronnie Brown
Ruvell Martin
Ryan Whalen
Sedrick Ellis
Shane Vereen
Sherrick McManis
Spencer Larsen
Spencer Paysinger
Steve Breaston
Stevie Brown
Stewart Bradley
T.J. Ward
Taiwan Jones
Tanard Jackson
Tashard Choice
Taylor Mays
Taylor Price
Terrence Austin
Terrence McGee
Thomas Howard
Tim Dobbins
Todd Heap
Tony Fiammetta
Tony Hargrove
Travis Beckum
Troy Polamalu
Usama Young
Vince Young
Vincent Brown
Vincent Jackson
Vincent Rey
Visanthe Shiancoe
Vontae Davis
Wayne Hunter
Will Allen
Will Herring
William Middleton
Willis McGahee
Zach Diles
Zach Strief
Zackary Bowman