Dansby Talks about being overweight.along with other players..

"firedan wrote:

The unions fault?Players show up out of shape and it's the unions fault?Sorry I can't blame them.

There is no way for players to replicate the physicality of a game on their own. The only thing that comes close is two-a-days in pads.

"Califin wrote:

If I recall, the Pats were not out of shape, and the disparity of conditioning between our teams was made clearly evident in the season opener. Key to their game plan, it was clearly exploited, and culpable in a lopsided crushing, that ultimately propelled this team, and much of its shellshocked audience, on a wayward heading for last place.

Their defense was absolutely out of shape.

"djphinfan wrote:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/miami-dolphins-linebacker-karlos-dansby-who-is-playing-1968253.html

Not sure why their wasn't a plan for millionares to abide by a structured training program set up for the players...You don't have to have personal contact with them, but we could of set up a plan for an outside source to take over keeping our team in shape..

Huge problem in this business,and I for one would not stand for it if I was an owner, wouldn't want them on my team if they didn't understand that the salary that I pay them means its a full time job..If I was a Gm I wouldn't sign anyone who wasn't educated on their nutrition and offseason training, nor if I was a coach would a player who didn't have the discipline to understand that you improve your game in the offseason would I play..

For me its come to the point where if your too stupid to not know how to train and eat properly so you can mamimize your natural talent's when the games begin, then your too stupid and lazy to play for me.

Freakin defensive players out of breath against the Pats, suckin wind and couldn't compete from a cardiac perspective...What a joke..don't they know they haven't accomplished jack sh^5 for this team or this town..

From what has transpired thru the first 7 games of the season, to connecting some dots, they ought to be ashamed.

Just finished reading a really good article about nutrition/diet in the Sports Illustrated with Aaron Rodgers and his receivers on the cover , think it was dated Nov. 7 , you would quite like it I think , have a read if you can.

"DePhinistr8 wrote:

And exactly none of that mattered because the players were all locked out, and no communication could occur between the team and players. At that point in time, it is 100% the player responsibility to get themselves in shape. They can blame the union, or coaches, or whatever they want, but ultimately it is up to them.

You still miss the point. It is going to matter in every post-lockout season. We are going to see more players arriving out of shape in the future because of what the NFLPA was able to "accomplish." the point is not whether the players are personally responsible for their condition. They are. Regardless, what has been taken away from the teams is the ability to prevent irresponsibility on the part of individual players. See now?

"djphinfan wrote:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/dolphins/miami-dolphins-linebacker-karlos-dansby-who-is-playing-1968253.html

Not sure why their wasn't a plan for millionares to abide by a structured training program set up for the players...You don't have to have personal contact with them, but we could of set up a plan for an outside source to take over keeping our team in shape..

Huge problem in this business,and I for one would not stand for it if I was an owner, wouldn't want them on my team if they didn't understand that the salary that I pay them means its a full time job..If I was a Gm I wouldn't sign anyone who wasn't educated on their nutrition and offseason training, nor if I was a coach would a player who didn't have the discipline to understand that you improve your game in the offseason would I play..

For me its come to the point where if your too stupid to not know how to train and eat properly so you can mamimize your natural talent's when the games begin, then your too stupid and lazy to play for me.

Freakin defensive players out of breath against the Pats, suckin wind and couldn't compete from a cardiac perspective...What a joke..don't they know they haven't accomplished jack sh^5 for this team or this town..

From what has transpired thru the first 7 games of the season, to connecting some dots, they ought to be ashamed.

DJ...is this really a surprise to you ?? That young, well-to-do men with time on their hands didn't think past the issue of the lockout and keeping themselves in shape to play football ?? I agree that they shouldn't have to be 'reminded' how to take care of themselves, but it's not really any kind of surprise that many showed up out of shape and ended up playing themselves into shape... Look at all the tissue type injuries...it has to be a result of guys, not just here but across the NFL, not conditioning correctly to play the game for real. Add to this, the fact that the UDFAs and FAs simply didn't have the conditioning program for each particular team and joined the team late in the process and you have a mess, which this entire NFL season has been....it's not really any kind of surprise. We all knew that the more established teams would have the advantage and that's held true, save for perhaps the Indy Dolts and the loss of Manning....

"Larryfinfan wrote:

DJ...is this really a surprise to you ?? That young, well-to-do men with time on their hands didn't think past the issue of the lockout and keeping themselves in shape to play football ?? I agree that they shouldn't have to be 'reminded' how to take care of themselves, but it's not really any kind of surprise that many showed up out of shape and ended up playing themselves into shape... Look at all the tissue type injuries...it has to be a result of guys, not just here but across the NFL, not conditioning correctly to play the game for real. Add to this, the fact that the UDFAs and FAs simply didn't have the conditioning program for each particular team and joined the team late in the process and you have a mess, which this entire NFL season has been....it's not really any kind of surprise. We all knew that the more established teams would have the advantage and that's held true, save for perhaps the Indy Dolts and the loss of Manning....

why should other teams have an advantage over us in this dept Larry? our defense had been together, had played very well, had the same coach and the same players...They fu%$ed up, and they are as responsible as any other evidence we have to show 1 and 7...I also blame the coaches for making them aware of what should be done on their own this offseason.

Lets try to understand the magnitude of how this topic can affect a franchise, people, their jobs, the pockets of our owners, wins and losses.... Because of Karlos letting himself go and not being up to par, he set the example which probably caused a domino affect, which then resulted in below par performance, which resulted in losses..

"djphinfan wrote:

At 22 years old, a player that knows their heading to the pros should have an awareness of taking care of their bodies..

Your body changes as years pass and so does the way you have to take care of it. The way an athlete took care of his body in college is not relevant to the way he will have to learn to do it when he is 30 and older. It sounds like you want to turn football into the military with weight and PT standards. I'm envisioning Miami Dolphins players hooked up to elaborate networks of machines while running on treadmills and punching things, like Ivan Drago in Rocky IV. Maybe the conditioning problem was worse for the Dolphins but I don't think they're the only ones that have dealt with it.

"muscle979 wrote:

Your body changes as years pass and so does the way you have to take care of it. The way an athlete took care of his body in college is not relevant to the way he will have to learn to do it when he is 30 and older. It sounds like you want to turn football into the military with weight and PT standards. I'm envisioning Miami Dolphins players hooked up to elaborate networks of machines while running on treadmills and punching things, like Ivan Drago in Rocky IV. Maybe the conditioning problem was worse for the Dolphins but I don't think they're the only ones that have dealt with it.

one who gets older should take their bodies much more serious... Iam not sure what your arguing against, your getting paid a lot of money, the least you can do is take care of the body that made you millions because of its affect, if the athlete cannot understand this simple concept, then I don't trust them or want them on the team..The game is to violent and fast to not have that extra performance you get when one trains accordingly throughout the offseason..

The man admitted basically why he started the season playing like sh^%, doesn't that bother you? It affects performance on the field, coming in out of shape..

We root for this team hard, and we support their livlihood...Its the least they can do..

I don't know about Ivan drago, but every player would know exactly what was expected of them from a strength and conditioning aspect, and if they don't, there should be consequences..

If I'am an owner, coach, gm, the bonuses for weight training in the offseason would be more than any other team, because I know what that committment can do for the athletes game..

Train the damn body year round, and when your getting older, it only becomes more important.

Is it any coincidence that Brandon Marshall is on pace to break dolphin records.

No **** they were out of shape, anyone remember Cam Wake sucking wind like there was no tomorrow week 1?

"PhinsRock wrote:

I don't know about enforcement etc, but I do know if I were being paid $375,000 or more per year to play a game, I'd be in shape every minute of every day 7/365 and I would be making sure I was getting STRONGER and in BETTER shape every day.

Look at superstars like Jerry rice, not the fastest or biggest, but the BEST receiver to ever play the game, so far. Why? He was fanatical about working on his conditioning and his game shape as well as study, 24/7/365.

Or one can think "Well I have already been paid, why work much harder?".

"djphinfan wrote:

one who gets older should take their bodies much more serious... Iam not sure what your arguing against, your getting paid a lot of money, the least you can do is take care of the body that made you millions because of its affect, if the athlete cannot understand this simple concept, then I don't trust them or want them on the team..The game is to violent and fast to not have that extra performance you get when one trains accordingly throughout the offseason..

Point is there are different types of shape and train year round, is not that easy to do. I will say you would think they'd hire a professional trainer and nutritionist but whose to say they didn't and still failed?

One thing to remember is the first week of football broke the record for the most passing yards in a weekend and after the first six games there were around six quarterbacks on pace to break or even shatter Marino's record.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

Point is there are different types of shape and train year round, is not that easy to do. I will say you would think they'd hire a professional trainer and nutritionist but whose to say they didn't and still failed?

People act like these athletes aren't human beings. Dansby says he thought he was eating alright but found out later he was wrong. This is probably a result of his metabolism slowing. I'm sure what he was eating was alright when he was in college or even three or four years ago. It's not like Karlos Dansby came into camp as some big slob. I'm sure he worked out a lot during the summer. He just wasn't quite fully prepared for football which is something you could say about a ton of NFL players early this season. Why did it add up to so many losses? Because this team doesn't have the margin for error that a Green Bay or New England has. Why would you need a contract that says 'you can only be a Miami Dolphin if you have X percentage of body fat and do this, that, and the other'? Players that consistently don't cut it will be cut anyway. Nobody is going to sign some contract that dictates what they eat and what their body has to be like. I compared it to the military earlier but that's not being fair. The military is not even that restrictive.

"SeanP wrote:

If other teams can do it, then why can't we?

I'd agree this is a silly argument if every team was having these issues, but it's not every team. The majority of teams were ready to play football, lockout or not. This team was not. That's facts.

It's pretty clear to me that the lockout isn't the only thing at fault here. It only served to make more apparent an existing problem.

Thats not facts at all. Quarterbacks were blowing record books out of the water for the first third of the season or so... precisely b/c defenses couldnt keep up.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

Point is there are different types of shape and train year round, is not that easy to do. I will say you would think they'd hire a professional trainer and nutritionist but whose to say they didn't and still failed?

20 lbs overweight and the confusion about dressing, tells me he hasn't a clue, nor is he working with someone who does..Leader, highest paid player..not good..results reflect.

"muscle979 wrote:

People act like these athletes aren't human beings. Dansby says he thought he was eating alright but found out later he was wrong. This is probably a result of his metabolism slowing. I'm sure what he was eating was alright when he was in college or even three or four years ago. It's not like Karlos Dansby came into camp as some big slob. I'm sure he worked out a lot during the summer. He just wasn't quite fully prepared for football which is something you could say about a ton of NFL players early this season. Why did it add up to so many losses? Because this team doesn't have the margin for error that a Green Bay or New England has. Why would you need a contract that says 'you can only be a Miami Dolphin if you have X percentage of body fat and do this, that, and the other'? Players that consistently don't cut it will be cut anyway. Nobody is going to sign some contract that dictates what they eat and what their body has to be like. I compared it to the military earlier but that's not being fair. The military is not even that restrictive.

what a good excuse your making for prof athletes who get paid millions to perform with their bodies...a 270lb linebacker IS a big slob...Its a disgrace, and the teams performance reflected it on the field.

''Dansby says he thought he was eating alright but found out later he was wrong.''

That statement makes me laugh...These are grown men, not children.

"djphinfan wrote:

what a good excuse your making for prof athletes who get paid millions to perform with their bodies...a 270lb linebacker IS a big slob...Its a disgrace, and the teams performance reflected it on the field.

''Dansby says he thought he was eating alright but found out later he was wrong.''

That statement makes me laugh...These are grown men, not children.

Dj, just from having worked for a former player (a Hall of Famer here in Cincinnati) and hearing the stories he and his playing buddies have said; it's just the way the league is. Certain guys go out and get wasted the night before a game. Some guys did more drugs than you'd ever care to know. Some of them couldn't understand the playbook unless it was drawn in crayon, that type of stuff.

And, to boot, they don't have a regimented offseason plan, of course they're going to be overweight/out of shape regardless of how much money they're being paid. It's just the way it is in the NFL (and I'm sure other sports too). But, in a way, I think it's better that it happened to certain players on the Miami Dolphins this offseason. I think it just shows how far the Dolphins really are from being a legitimate contender, and coupled with how badly they've been coached, it's really hit home. I mean, we saw Davone Bess videos of him working out in a gym; that's not the same type of stuff they'd be getting in an NFL program during the offseason. Couple that with Miami probably having as much or more distractions than any other city for any other team...just a bad mixture all around.

For the record, the player I worked for was married prior to getting drafted by the Bengals, and started a family very soon into his playing career. He didn't drink, didn't party, and to this day, still doesn't. He was focused on raising his family. In today's game, there's a very small amount of players who come into the league with situations like that.

However, in the long-run, this season's record will likely get rid of Tony Sparano, and might get rid of Jeff Ireland (though, I'm not sure just how good or bad that will be. Or if we'll ever really know for sure), and will refocus the organization on doing something they've not done in a long time: get a franchise quarterback.

"djphinfan wrote:

what a good excuse your making for prof athletes who get paid millions to perform with their bodies...a 270lb linebacker IS a big slob...Its a disgrace, and the teams performance reflected it on the field.

''Dansby says he thought he was eating alright but found out later he was wrong.''

That statement makes me laugh...These are grown men, not children.

20lbs overweight is not a big slob. you need perspective. and I've known plenty of grown men who don't know everything proper about staying in "shape". That has nothing to do with it.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

20lbs overweight is not a big slob. you need perspective. and I've known plenty of grown men who don't know everything proper about staying in "shape". That has nothing to do with it.

I don't need perspective Luck, 20lbs overweight for a linebacker is just blantant laziness, I'am not the one who didn't take their craft serious enough where it affected my performance..

I think you need to put into some perspective the impact of what his shape was, relative to his performance for the first quarter of the year...The guy was not good..bottom line, he's admitted it, and it's obvious to me why he is...If you don't wanna accept it, ok, you can keep lookin for answers to an 0 and 7 start.

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't need perspective Luck, 20lbs overweight for a linebacker is just blantant laziness, I'am not the one who didn't take their craft serious enough where it affected my performance..

I think you need to put into some perspective the impact of what his shape was, relative to his performance for the first quarter of the year...The guy was not good..bottom line, he's admitted it, and it's obvious to me why he is...If you don't wanna accept it, ok, you can keep lookin for answers to an 0 and 7 start.

You make it sound like he just magically dropped 20lbs in the week prior to the Chiefs game and all of the sudden became really. That wouldn't be the case. The entire team underachieved the first seven games of the year regardless of certain players being in our out of shape. I think more or less, Dansby's play the last two weeks is more a product of the Chiefs and Redskins being really bad, and schematic changes within the Dolphins defense; not whether or not Karlos Dansby's in shape or not.

I remember an intervew with Clay Matthews, a physical freak, in which he said he actually put on about 5-10lbs of bulk (i.e. fat) during the season to help withstand some of the punishment he takes. There's a difference between being in shape and being in "football shape". The majority of your LBs and players who are naturally bigger playing the positions they play, aren't going to be guys cut from slabs of granite with 6-pack abs. That's just not the way football works.

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't need perspective Luck, 20lbs overweight for a linebacker is just blantant laziness, I'am not the one who didn't take their craft serious enough where it affected my performance..

I think you need to put into some perspective the impact of what his shape was, relative to his performance for the first quarter of the year...The guy was not good..bottom line, he's admitted it, and it's obvious to me why he is...If you don't wanna accept it, ok, you can keep lookin for answers to an 0 and 7 start.

I'm not saying its an excuse, I am saying its an answer. And expecting pure perfection is not being reasonable.

"unluckyluciano wrote:

I'm not saying its an excuse, I am saying its an answer. And expecting pure perfection is not being reasonable.

I just don't think what Iam saying is unreasonable for a professional athlete bro..The key word here is athlete, which has a direct correlation to the body..

"RoninFin4 wrote:

You make it sound like he just magically dropped 20lbs in the week prior to the Chiefs game and all of the sudden became really. That wouldn't be the case. The entire team underachieved the first seven games of the year regardless of certain players being in our out of shape. I think more or less, Dansby's play the last two weeks is more a product of the Chiefs and Redskins being really bad, and schematic changes within the Dolphins defense; not whether or not Karlos Dansby's in shape or not.

I remember an intervew with Clay Matthews, a physical freak, in which he said he actually put on about 5-10lbs of bulk (i.e. fat) during the season to help withstand some of the punishment he takes. There's a difference between being in shape and being in "football shape". The majority of your LBs and players who are naturally bigger playing the positions they play, aren't going to be guys cut from slabs of granite with 6-pack abs. That's just not the way football works.

every individual athlete can train their body to be the best that their genetics allow...not doing everything you can do is a disservice on many levels..Iam not expecting all of them to have the same results but they all can put it the time effort, and education, to produce maximum individual results...There is no excuse Ro.

"RoninFin4 wrote:

Dj, just from having worked for a former player (a Hall of Famer here in Cincinnati) and hearing the stories he and his playing buddies have said; it's just the way the league is. Certain guys go out and get wasted the night before a game. Some guys did more drugs than you'd ever care to know. Some of them couldn't understand the playbook unless it was drawn in crayon, that type of stuff.

And, to boot, they don't have a regimented offseason plan, of course they're going to be overweight/out of shape regardless of how much money they're being paid. It's just the way it is in the NFL (and I'm sure other sports too). But, in a way, I think it's better that it happened to certain players on the Miami Dolphins this offseason. I think it just shows how far the Dolphins really are from being a legitimate contender, and coupled with how badly they've been coached, it's really hit home. I mean, we saw Davone Bess videos of him working out in a gym; that's not the same type of stuff they'd be getting in an NFL program during the offseason. Couple that with Miami probably having as much or more distractions than any other city for any other team...just a bad mixture all around.

For the record, the player I worked for was married prior to getting drafted by the Bengals, and started a family very soon into his playing career. He didn't drink, didn't party, and to this day, still doesn't. He was focused on raising his family. In today's game, there's a very small amount of players who come into the league with situations like that.

However, in the long-run, this season's record will likely get rid of Tony Sparano, and might get rid of Jeff Ireland (though, I'm not sure just how good or bad that will be. Or if we'll ever really know for sure), and will refocus the organization on doing something they've not done in a long time: get a franchise quarterback.

I understand the social life of an athlete, but you still get up and take care of the body...its part of the job...and if they don't think it is, then things need to change, especially in this town.

"djphinfan wrote:

I don't need perspective Luck, 20lbs overweight for a linebacker is just blantant laziness, I'am not the one who didn't take their craft serious enough where it affected my performance..

I think you need to put into some perspective the impact of what his shape was, relative to his performance for the first quarter of the year...The guy was not good..bottom line, he's admitted it, and it's obvious to me why he is...If you don't wanna accept it, ok, you can keep lookin for answers to an 0 and 7 start.

You absolutely need perspective. Karlos Dansby is one extremely small part of what caused 0-7 and you want to crucify the man. You act like you were with him all summer. You don't even know what kind of weight he put on. Putting on extra muscle can absolutely make you slower when it comes to running and moving around. But here you are proclaiming Karlos Dansby a fat slob who doesn't take care of body when really all you have to go on is a generic statement that he made.