Not to beat a dead horse, but I've been going a little deeper into some stats. Did you know that in Brady's post season losses he averaged a 77 QBR? P. Manning, in his losses, averaged a 91 QBR. If you take Brady's post season numbers from 2004 to 2014 he has a QBR drop off of 15 points. (99.5 to 84.5) If clutch were real, how is that clutch?
Why are you breaking it down into W's and L's? If the point is to simply use the "clutch" factor then why not just say Brady's career rating diff from the reg season to the postseason is 96.4 to 88.0 (-8.4) and Peyton's is 96.5 to 87.4 (-9.1) I am interested in the average drop-off by Qb's reg sea to post season with some sort of a decent sample size, might be something to do to kill time until 3point shootout.
My point was to show that even when Manning played well his teams lost. The exact opposite is true of Brady. I'd say that from 2004 to 1014 was Brady's prime. Likewise I'd say that was Manning's prime. During the period of time that Brady's QBR fell off the cliff Manning's went from 101.0 to 96.4 E. Manning went from 81 to 89. Rodgers 104.9 to 103.1 Brees 95.3 to 100.7 Everyone's QBR, sans Brady and Eli, are for all intents and purposes unchanged from pre to post season. Except Brady and Eli are at different ends of the spectrum. Eli should be, if I believed in clutch, more clutch than Brady. haha
Just going off some QBs who I can remember played a decent sample size of games in the 2000 era.. Big Ben- Reg 94.0 Post 86.4 -7.6 ARod- Reg 104.2 Post 98.2 -6.0 Drew Brees- Reg 95.8 Post 100.7 +4.9 Eli Manning- Reg 83.5 Post 89.3 +5.8 Joe Flacco- Reg 84.7 Post 88.6 +3.9 A few of the 80's guys...(Im not getting nuts here.) Marino- Reg 86.4 Post 77.1 -9.3 Favre- Reg 86.0 Post 86.3 +0.3 Elway- Reg 79.9 Post 79.1 -0.8 Montana- Reg 92.2 Post 95.6 +3.4 Aikman- Reg 81.6 Post 88.3 +6.7 His sample size is too small to really compare but Alex Smith in the postseason? 11 Tds 1 INT and almost a 15 point jump in rating! So we have essentially (10+ game sample size) Troy Aikman as our most "clutch" Qb from reg season to playoffs. Obviously the older guys had worst career numbers for the most part as the league is now centered around passing and scoring. This may all be irrelevant in the scheme of things but interesting regardless.
Eli is freakishly "clutch" in regards to turning it on in the playoffs, I doubt many of us needed to look up these stats to realize that.
because he's put his team in position to win 6 Super Bowls and it took amazing mind blowing catches in those two losses.
Yes, all by himself. And how dare the Giants catch the ball. lol... I've seen excuses, but playing the game shouldn't count as one. Brady, in their first loss to the Giants, put his team in position to win by leading the greatest offense of all time, who happened to be 18-0 at the time, to 14 points. 22 points less than their average for the season. His 82 QBR and 5.5 y/a were just what the Pats needed to "put them in position to win". haha The Pats defense, OTOH, gave up 17 points. Which was their average for the season. The Giants made some great plays, but so did the Pats. In another thread someone was ridiculing Tanny's 7.2 y/a and 62% pass completion rate. Well, in the playoffs, Brady has a 6.7 y/a average and a 62% pass completion rate. lol...
I'm guessing the defenses and game planning are better in the postseason. Kind of not fair to make those comparisons.
But shouldn't Brady's magic "clutchness" make up for that? His drop off from regular to post season is extraordinary for someone who possesses magic.
He does have a bigger drop off than I imagined, but he has made some memorable late game plays in his playoff career. Can not deny that.
The guy is a HoF QB. However, he's HoF because he's played on consistently great teams with one of the greatest coaches in history. Again, though, cheating. lol I would think I'd be hard pressed to find someone who thought any number of QB's, in those same circumstances would not have had the same production as Brady. Brady, as I've said repeatedly, is very hard working and competitive. He's accurate out to about 10 yards. He's never really had to carry a team and the very few times he has he's faltered. He's never, besides the cheating scandals, had adversity. Because of this he gets rattled way too easily.
Whether people like it or not the data is straightforward. Recent Tom Brady regresses more than any other QB in the postseason by a long shot. His postseason QBR is 15 points worse than his regular season rating. No other QB's are even close to that. All the others are pretty close to the same. It is interesting because Tom Brady is not really who the media and blind fans think he is. It is interesting because Peyton Manning is not as bad as one would expect given all the hyperbole about his postseason failures.
6 Super Bowls. 4 wins. I think you don't believe in clutch because your definition of clutch is wrong.
