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Deflate-gate - Patriots

Discussion in 'AFC East Rivals' started by Galant, Jan 19, 2015.

  1. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic 30 years and counting Club Member

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    I'd only agree with your sentiment if I felt the Patriots were the only team to cheat. my gut feeling is that they do this stuff more often to give themselves every little advantage. disqualification isn't even reasonable discussion IMO. If this were the Colts, no one would be feeling so extreme. If they take away a 1st round pick, that seems appropriate to me.
     
  2. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Not laughing and making a mockery of it now Gronk you whore......

    D'Qwell Jackson is my hero, I wanna donate money to his charity....

    Again, everything stands, let them play in the SB, but after the Bowl? They better hammer BB.....
     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    In any sporting competition if you cheat you get disqualified. Anything else and you have to ask what's the point.
     
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  4. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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  5. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass Luxury Box Luxury Box

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    [video=youtube;vd3D2gsPUR0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd3D2gsPUR0[/video]
     
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  6. MikeHoncho

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    Something to do with the "integrity of the game". Who knows though?
     
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  7. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    $$$$
     
  8. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Not sure I follow you. I was saying that I think disqualification is the only right response to cheating in this scenario.
     
  9. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I am still getting "atmospheric pressure" as an explanation......

    Delicious..
     
  10. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Somehow the Colts balls weren't affected. Hmmm...
     
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  11. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Why do teams even supply their own balls. The NFL should supply them and each team should be allowed to inspect them in front of officials before the game
     
  12. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    dem da rulz main.

    I can't remember where I saw it, but I read Peyton was behind this change.
     
  13. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    ESPN Radio has been all Patriots apologists all morning.
     
  14. MikeHoncho

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    They put the integrity of the game in question. Regardless of the final score.
     
  15. MikeHoncho

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    Cowherd doing quite the mouth hugging job on Belichick.
     
  16. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Can't say I'm surprised. Mike & Mike usually sucks but this morning they were insufferable.
     
  17. MikeHoncho

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    Those two are the worst
     
  18. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    Mike Mike Mike Mike what day is it Mike
     
  19. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Seriously. The most fake "guys just being guys talking about sports" show there is.
     
  20. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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  21. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    whats odd about that video (its the same one i posted yesterday) is that the ball boy is running over at the same exact time the whistle is blowing, leaning towards mike Carey's explanation rather then the refs calling for a new ball.
     
  22. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Everybody up here is telling me that it is the refs fault, not the Pats.....I mean we shall see....I am just trying to wrap my head on how the refs deflated 11 of 12 balls......makes no sense....
     
  23. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    i think what they are saying is, why didn't the umpire, line judge or head ref notice, they are the ones who typically handle the ball the most,

    or

    the balls were never checked properly at the beginning of the game, or else they would have been inflated, etc. there was a piece from a former ref that said the do not actually check the balls with guages and do not check them all, they feel a few and if those feel normal, have a nice day.
     
  24. daphins

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    Bill Bellicheat strikes again! Throw the book at him. It's hard enough to enjoy the game with pompous players, enormous salaries and horrible rules without teams ignoring said-rules.



    But they'll cover for him. Hang a ball boy or ref out to dry and pretend like his entire career isn't a farce.
     
  25. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    No doubt that the refs share blame. Doesnt make it okay either though
     
  26. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    It's been determined that the refs checked the balls properly beforehand and that the balls must have been altered afterwards. It's also been determined that it wouldn't have been difficult to do, and that it's been done before. It's also been shown that it's not something you'd pick up on easily, even by refs.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-properly-checked-before-colts-patriots-game/

    I'll say it again, the Patriots should be disqualified. There's a massive cost to it but that's the right cost, and it's a cost that should be fully levied upon the Patriots. They should bear the full weight of what they have done in not only deflating footballs to beat the Colts but in tarnishing a championship game, and also the Superbowl event itself with all those ticket sales, wagers and everything else. The NFL should stand up and say, "We will not support nor tolerate cheating in any way and the Patriots will not be permitted to continue with a chance to earn football's highest prize having proceeded in this fashion."

    How could anyone tolerate the notion that cheaters in the NFL can still go on to have a shot at a Superbowl title? How can they retain that chance, that prize? It should be taken away from any and all cheaters and be made something that can only be attained through pure competition. If not, then the rules are just suggestions, guidelines, things to be tolerated only if you can't get away with evading them. It's sickening.
     
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  27. LiferYank

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    I think its why Brady and Gronk are taking to twitter laughing.. they have a good shot at the Superbowl.. If they win do you really think a fine or a draft pick is going to bother them?
     
  28. JPPT1974

    JPPT1974 Ready for Virus To End

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    Pats do indeed cheat! Not the first nor will it be the last. As they will get away with it more.
     
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  29. LiferYank

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    It hasnt seem to impact them so why would they stop? Risk Vs Reward. They know the league doesnt have the balls to do anything about it to much $$$$$ is at stake.
     
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  30. How ironic they lectured the ravens about stop crying and understand the rules of the game. Galants post is spot on they should have to forfeit that game.
     
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  31. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Or at least be made to replay it. How about this Saturday or Sunday before/after the Pro Bowl?
     
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  32. Vertical Limit

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    Replay what? Colts vs Patriots? They can do it in Indianapolis and the Patriots would still best them by 20. Besides the Colts have already checked themselves out of the season and their star players are in hawaii, drinking, partying, etc. the chance of a mulligan is gone.
     
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  33. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Sure. Just do it without cheating the next time. That way we'll know for sure.
     
  34. Vertical Limit

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    We already know for sure though. Lol
     
  35. Vertical Limit

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    If the opponents was the Ravens id be all for a replay... The Ravens mwould have a good shot of winning...But the Colts? Itll be a waste of time...
     
  36. danmarino

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    They've been doing this for a long time.

    Based on the assumption that fumbles per play follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten over this period, once in 16,233.77 instances”.
    Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence, is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0000616 probability to win. Which in other words, it’s very unlikely that it’s a coincidence.


    http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.com/blog/?p=2932
     
  37. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member

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    Same guy - Sharp - on how individual players fumble/fumbled less when playing for Pats than for other teams: LINK

    Here's a good summary piece, though, bringing in analyses from a few sources. VOX End quote - "Sharp points to an interesting 2006 story recently dug up by Pro Football Focus. Prior to the 2007 season, the NFL changed a rule, making all teams responsible for providing their own footballs for every game. Before the new rule, home teams had provided footballs for both teams. Brady addressed the league's Competition Committee, petitioning for the new rule. "The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different," Brady told the Sun-Sentinel. "Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in.""
     
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  38. LikeABoss

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    I love how flustered this made up story got all of you Pats haters. Still no evidence that they cheated, and it's been how long now? Over 2 weeks? Lol enough said.
     
  39. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Who made it up? It is a fact that the Pats balls were not properly inflated and Tom Brady has been on record saying how he likes the footballs a certain way. Even if it turns out no foul play happened, the NFL has every right to investigate. Don't you have a Tom Brady jersey to make love to?
     
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  40. McLovin

    McLovin Resident Pats fan.

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    that is a homer dude, don't even give him the time of day. still curious if he is one of those homers from the beginning of the year.
     

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