Depth Chart 2.0

the pic is too small for me and my phone wont let me zoom in. who is on top of the qb list?

"RickyNeverInhaled wrote:

the pic is too small for me and my phone wont let me zoom in. who is on top of the qb list?

Matt Moore, again sorry I couldn't embed I am trying to right now

The notables(in my opinion) for those that can't see:

Matt Moore #1 QB
Davone Bess took Chad Johnson's place at WR.
Brian Hartline went from on the WR depth chart to the back like the other injured players.
Richard Marshall over Vontae Davis

"Disgustipate wrote:

The notables(in my opinion) for those that can't see:

Matt Moore #1 QB
Davone Bess took Chad Johnson's place at WR.
Brian Hartline went from on the WR depth chart to the back like the other injured players.
Richard Marshall over Vontae Davis

Julius Pruitt is 2nd string, and Malron Moore still ahead of Roberto Wallace

Also Richard Matthews is not any of the top 3 players listed as KOR

is this set in stone? does it mean moore is definitely starting the next pre season game or is it subject to change? if its set in stone this is very dissappointing to me. even if the coaches think moore is the better man for the job Tannehill should atleast have the chance to start the next game then the clear cut starter should start week 3

"RickyNeverInhaled wrote:

is this set in stone? does it mean moore is definitely starting the next pre season game or is it subject to change? if its set in stone this is very dissappointing to me. even if the coaches think moore is the better man for the job Tannehill should atleast have the chance to start the next game then the clear cut starter should start week 3

Ryan had a terrible practice today. But other than that I agree. Not sure if it is in stone, you never know, but my guess is like what the coach said in Hard Knocks. He is being forced to release a depth chart but it is still a very close qb race

Rooting for Jimmy Wilson to
supplant Clemons.

Philbin made sure to tell the media today that this chart is pretty much irrelevant, which tempers the importance I give it. Still, interesting to see.

Thanks Seabass!

"seabass0795 wrote:

Ryan had a terrible practice today. But other than that I agree. Not sure if it is in stone, you never know, but my guess is like what the coach said in Hard Knocks. He is being forced to release a depth chart but it is still a very close qb race

thanks. how bad was his practice. ive heard conflicting reports because of dropped passes. did he throw any ints?

"KingMotion wrote:

Only one beat reporter said he had a bad day amidst him throwing essentially 3 TD passes. Kelly appears to be exaggerating to fit a narrative. As far as I could tell, Omar didn't even reference any bad plays.

"RickyNeverInhaled wrote:

thanks. how bad was his practice. ive heard conflicting reports because of dropped passes. did he throw any ints?

I am pretty sure he threw an interception caught by one Mr. Jimmy Wilson. Sure he had TDs but many incomplete passes. One particular play that comes to mind is Olivier Vernon, beating Jake Long, then forcing Tannehill to throw it away. Not really his fault because it was his blind side but overall the offense was sloppy

"KingMotion wrote:

You were there? Also, a QB feeling pressure on the blindside for a throwaway is a good play. As far as I could tell, the incompletions were mainly drops.

Wasn't there but read from multiple sources that Jimmy picked it off. Some of the sources were friends at the practice. And yes while it was a smart play it was the one play that came up so I used it as an example as how Tannehill is handling the pressure of pass rush

I like Davone Bess as much as anyone, but he is not an outside WR.
He's just not.

"RickyNeverInhaled wrote:

the pic is too small for me and my phone wont let me zoom in. who is on top of the qb list?

The only changes to the depth chart from the 1st one are the guys who didn't practice have been moved to the bottom.

"PSG wrote:

I like Davone Bess as much as anyone, but he is not an outside WR.
He's just not.

How does that factor into anything with 4 weeks until game 1? They simply removed the slot from the 1st chart and shuffled the WRs into 2 categories instead of 3.

"PSG wrote:

I like Davone Bess as much as anyone, but he is not an outside WR.
He's just not.

I think it's just merely a placeholder type of thing. There's no slot WR position listed on the depth chart, which I'd imagine that since these depth charts are mandated by the NFL, teams are probably forced to only put two WR spots on there, and you have to list Bess somewhere, being that he's a WR.

I think this "depth chart" is pretty irrelevant, and I wonder how much of it serves as more of a motivational tool than actual depth chart. The defensive positions, other than LDE and RDE are very vague. I mean, unless you're watching the Dolphins on a daily basis, a casual fan probably couldn't tell you who is a strongside linebacker, or who is a 1-technique tackle versus a 3-technique tackle.

If you go back to Hard Knocks, there's a scene where you can see Jeff Ireland putting together a depth chart in his office on a magnet board. You see positions like the following on the defense: 1T, 3T, SLB, MLB, WLB, LCB, RCB, etc., but specific positions that aren't listed on the Dolphins public depth chart. I also think if you look at that depth chart and match it up with the one the Dolphins put out publicly, he's got some sort of color-coding system, players in red are rookies, players names in green are in the final year of their contracts or something to that effect (I might have that reversed). I really think we'll glean a lot more based on who is playing where in the 3rd preseason game, and then obviously the depth chart prior to week 1 after the cuts have been made.

"PSG wrote:

I like Davone Bess as much as anyone, but he is not an outside WR.
He's just not.

No one ever seems to believe me, but it's actually the opposite. 2011 was the first year in his career he was primarily a slot receiver, and it was his career worst.

2011: Lined up 56.3% in the slot(7th most with at least 25% of offenses snaps)
2010: Lined up 26.7% in the slot(33rd most)
2009: Lined up 26.1% in the slot(34th most)
2008: Lined up 32.2% in the slot(28th most)

There's an inverse correlation between slot snaps and production with Bess. I also don't have it in front of me, but he also was more productive per snap and per catch outside than in the slot.

He just really, really looks like a slot receiver.

"PSG wrote:

I like Davone Bess as much as anyone, but he is not an outside WR.
He's just not.

Not a dominant Calvin Johnson type, no... but he can be a serviceable outside receiver, depending on what you require from your outside guy.

"PSG wrote:

I like Davone Bess as much as anyone, but he is not an outside WR.
He's just not.

This is simply not true. People throw around generalizations with wide receivers and Bess gets more than his fair share with people who assume he "is just a slot receiver."

Statistically Bess is more efficient as a boundary receiver; I forget the exact numbers but someone did a nice analysis in Club Level a while ago IIRC.

"Disgustipate wrote:

No one ever seems to believe me, but it's actually the opposite. 2011 was the first year in his career he was primarily a slot receiver, and it was his career worst.

2011: Lined up 56.3% in the slot(7th most with at least 25% of offenses snaps)
2010: Lined up 26.7% in the slot(33rd most)
2009: Lined up 26.1% in the slot(34th most)
2008: Lined up 32.2% in the slot(28th most)

There's an inverse correlation between slot snaps and production with Bess. I also don't have it in front of me, but he also was more productive per snap and per catch outside than in the slot.

He just really, really looks like a slot receiver.

What's the source of this information?

"ckparrothead wrote:

What's the source of this information?

Pro Football Focus, under in Signature Stats under Slot Performance. There's a column that says "Snap %"

Wow.
Getting annihilated here. Those are some pretty good stats posted by Disgustipate from PFF.
Maybe I need to take back what I said.......

"seabass0795 wrote:

Wasn't there but read from multiple sources that Jimmy picked it off. Some of the sources were friends at the practice. And yes while it was a smart play it was the one play that came up so I used it as an example as how Tannehill is handling the pressure of pass rush

Sounds like he handled it very well.

I actually think that Bess should play in the slot. I think it fits his skills set to be used in a Welker-type role. I just don't think that the Dolphins used their slot WR very well last year. I don't see them employ as many jerk routes as the Pats do. I see that as the bread and butter route for a slot WR. And a WR with a good feel for open zones can thrive there. IMO that's one of Bess' strengths and why he should be used there. Part of it too is that you need familiarity with the QB. Those tend to be pretty quick passes requiring quick decisions. Moore was very effective in certain areas, but he's not very good at those quick passes. IMO that is why his numbers decreased last year.