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DeShaun Watson Situation Not Unfolding Well

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by KeyFin, Jun 9, 2022.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Reading the judges statement, she felt that she gave the biggest suspension that she is able to give based on the CBA. Then lambasted the NFL for only having such punishment for players based on public outcry rather than being forward thinking and doing the right thing.

    However, we just have to realize that NFL is a big business and like a vast majority of big businesses they are closer to the side of evil than the side of good.
     
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  2. KeyFin

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    If that was the max sentence allowed, then it makes sense why journalists are saying "read the findings!" That way they don't have to talk bad about the league while saying why the suspension was so light.
     
  3. Tin Indian

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    I cant find the judges statement anywhere. where did you get it?
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

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  5. Tin Indian

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    Well no wonder, I cant read tweets on my work computer.
     
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  6. Fireland

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    Was it ever alleged that Kraft did more than solicitation though? People keep trying to compare the two but I don't get it because they aren't comparable.
     
  7. KeyFin

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    If I remember the coverage correctly, Kraft was on video in the massage pallor getting a happy ending. I assume it was consensual since that's the type of place it was, but still...the services were illegal where he received them (in Florida).

    Watson's case is different, but there was zero punishment for Kraft and that situation was a proven criminal act. There's also obviously different punishments for owners versus players, and this should all be a part of a much larger conversation. Is prostitution and/or sexual assault okay in any situation? Should the rules be different if you're a celebrity in the NFL or a billionaire owner?

    To me, that's the real problem here...the perception that all of this is an acceptable part of society. Think about Jeffrey Epstein and that whole saga- it's not like things weren't reported or authorities didn't know what was going on a decade before Epstein saw real jail time. People in authority just didn't care enough to stand up for the victims...and many of those victims were 12 and 13 year old girls.

    Personally, I want "justice" from this entire topic. When I worked in the prison system, rapists and pedophiles were routinely beaten half to death...how is it that criminals understand these topics better than our elected officials?
     
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  8. Fireland

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    Kraft situation should still only be compared to players who who were arrested or accused of a similar offense. I just don't think you can compare this situation at all as Watson is accused of something much worse. I don't think consensual is a "but still" situation because that does change everything. If it Watson was accused of paying for happy endings and nothing more we wouldn't be talking about this at all.

    Whether people should find a soliciting a prostitute to be a worse thing morally than they do is a different argument. Personally I don't care at all as long as both people are able to consent.
     
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  9. Tin Indian

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  10. VManis

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    Here is Judge Robinson's full findings:

     
  11. VManis

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    She essentially found him guilty on all accounts but felt that 6 games was the maximum she could suspend him. What's interesting to me about that is she basically treated this as a single case rather than multiple infractions.
     
  12. Galant

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  14. KeyFin

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    Yeah, that won't happen. They use an arbitrator to avoid having to pass judgement themselves. They're not going to challenge the arbitrator that just took all this time to find that the max she could impose is six games.
     
  15. Fishhead

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    If that was the maximum punishment allowed, then the Code of Conduct needs to be re-written. Immediately.
     
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  16. Galant

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  17. Tin Indian

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    Problem is the league doesnt have a precedent for something of this scope. The league never thought they would have to deal with a player with 24 civil cases for sexual "assault". That's where she chides the league for not being forward thinking. Based on precedent as an arbiter she felt the maximum she could go is 6 games. The league was pressing for a year and could still. Frankly a year is not enough.
     
  18. Finatik

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    So you're saying that's wrong?
     
  19. Galant

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  21. KeyFin

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    I wonder what the suspension would be for the 24th offense? Or maybe nobody has counted that high yet.
     
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  22. Silverphin

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    In my opinion, not dropping the hammer on Roethlosberger may have come back to haunt them in this situation.
     
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  23. Pauly

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    The Judge’s report does little to clear up the situation.
    My thoughts in no particular order.
    1) Watson’s behavior legally wasn’t criminal - the grand juries decided not to indict. That limits what the NFL can do.
    2) I have talked to some female physical therapists and massage therapists I know. They all say they would not acknowledge or return a message of the sort Watson sent because it was obvious he was not seeking genuine therapeutic treatment. It’s a common issue in the profession and one that practitioners take steps to insulate themselves from.
    3) If we start suspending professional athletes for weird sex behavior then you’ll struggle to a starting 11 on any team. I don’t know about the NFL personally but I do have knowledge of what professional soccer and rugby players in Europe get up to, and Watson’s behavior is pretty tame compared to other stuff I know has gone down.
    4) The lawyer for the complainants has struck from the beginning as being shady as hell and nothing that has transpired has moved my suspicion index down regarding him.
    5) I think the NFL is going to sweep this under the rug. Letting it fester and drag on in public will hurt their brand more than a week or so of people saying it’s the wrong decision.
     
  24. KeyFin

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    Hence why they dropped the Miami investigation the following day. It made the Watson story old news.
     
  25. Fishhead

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    Bingo! All the hand wringing and gasps of shock by the media (particularly ESPN, which has been biased against Miami since the Chris Berman days) have served to drive the Watson story from the top NFL story.
     
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  26. Pauly

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    Plus the media which has spent most if the last 18 months ignoring the Watson story have an excuse to go silent again.
     
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  27. Wilkimania

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    Well the NFL are appealing the punishment recommendation so this story isn't over just yet.

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    I'm told NFL is appealing for an indefinite suspension that would be a minimum of one year. But perhaps more significant given the structure of Watson's contract, source tells me the NFL's appeal will also include a monetary fine. Money is now a significant part of the equation.
     
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  28. Rouk

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    Hes done goodell finally decided to pick up his hammer
     
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  29. Vertical Limit

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    Its the right move by Goodell. Regardless if the appeal loses out, it saves face a bit that the NFL tried. Next time, cut the bs and just lay the penalty yourself. You get paid 50 million a year to make these decisions, dont let someone else make that decision.
     
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  30. Wilkimania

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    I wonder if this is what Goodell wanted. A chance to reset the penalty boundaries by giving it to a third party who then slam you for your own precedents, then you can lay down the law and claim that this is the new reality of the NFL, try to claim something like to protect the integrity of the league that there will be no more slack punishments and then you're free to do what you like again without people complaining about older punishments that handcuff you to lighter punishments.
     
  31. KeyFin

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    Well, think about it...Goodell can't change the maximum penalties; that's the players association. But the players association doesn't hand out suspensions either, so they were also powerless. The only way Goodell could change the suspension period (and fines) is by doing exactly what he did.

    He's playing the corporate game and winning at this point, which also happens to play great with the media.
     
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  32. Rouk

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    The cba has a clause saying only the commissioner can overrule precedence and set new ones when it comes to punishment.
     
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  33. KeyFin

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    Didn't know that, thanks!
     
  34. Vertical Limit

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    I honestly wanted him to take the same stance Adam Silver took on Donald Sterling.

    just come out and say hes suspended for a year, he will need to complete some sort of counseling and will be Without pay. End of story, **** deshaun and **** the browns

    i just know that if we traded for deshaun this would have happened
     
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  35. Vertical Limit

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    Deshaun is mentally not right when you think about it.. 66 women is the number, in 17 months

    i understand theres lots of football players that see different women every month. But even the biggest pimp in the NFL isnt seeing 66 different women in a ten year span let alone 17 months. This is a sick human being that should honestly be on the sex offenders list.
     
  36. Finatik

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    Former New Jersey Attorney General Peter Harvey will hear the NFL’s appeal of Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson‘s six-game suspension for violating the league’s Personal Conduct Policy.

    PFT has confirmed that the NFL informed teams that Commissioner Roger Goodell has selected Harvey to hear the appeal. Goodell could have heard the appeal himself, but, as PFT reported earlier on Thursday, he opted not to go that route.

    Harvey has close ties to the league, however. He serves on the NFL’s diversity advisory committee and he was part of the advisory committee that worked with the league ahead of Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott‘s six-game suspension in 2017. Harvey also served as the arbitrator for former Washington General Manager Scot McCloughan’s grievance against the team. Harvey ruled in favor of the team.

    Harvey is currently a partner at Patterson Belknapp and his bio at the firm’s website notes his work to strengthen New Jersey’s sexual assault response while he was the state’s Attorney General. The ties to the NFL and his previous work as a prosecutor could be signs that Harvey will be amenable to the league’s desire to see Watson suspended for more than six games once he issues his ruling on the matter.

    ME - wouldn't it be funny if he gave him 10 games on the appeal.
     
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  37. KeyFin

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    Some of the talking heads today said that Goodell was seeking an indefinite suspension and a steep fine. I have no idea if there's any truth to that, but I'd love to see him out for the year and face a landmark fine of like $50M (to negate his salary this season).

    I still can't believe a team signed him with an extension like that- the heck with the Browns.
     
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  38. Pauly

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    I think you’d be surprised.

    66 in one year is a very easy number for professional athletes to achieve especially if they play a high profile position. These guys are treated like rock stars in the 1970s.
     
  39. Fishhead

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    Apparently, Watson was offered a deal by the NFL - 12 games and an $8-10 million fine. He turned it down, would supposedly only accept 6-8 games and no fine. This guy is not only creepy, but arrogant and stupid as well. Here’s hoping for a lengthy suspension and a hefty fine.
     
  40. Tin Indian

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    The issue seems to be is there is NO precedent. Nothing even close.
     

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