Dicey it up however you want...Final Patriots TD = Classless

i agree. just sucks we have to wait a year for payback.

I hate the patriots with a passion.

Points are a playoff Tie Breaker. I can't fault any team for scoring points. Taking a knee at the goal is like predicting the future.

I can see it now. Jets, Pats, Dolphins have split everything at the end of the season. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry on ESPN, CBS, FOX, NBC, CNN, or other media outlet replay the Patriots opportunity to score at the Dolphins three yard line but they took a knee. Patriots miss the playoffs by five points. Why even think about tie breakers and such? Why not just score points as it is the goal in the game?

I was infuriated by that who cares if its 4th and goal were getting the ball on the 2. I hope we ****ing sweep the Pats next year.

"Zod wrote:

Points are a playoff Tie Breaker. I can't fault any team for scoring points. Taking a knee at the goal is like predicting the future.

I can see it now. Jets, Pats, Dolphins have split everything at the end of the season. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry on ESPN, CBS, FOX, NBC, CNN, or other media outlet replay the Patriots opportunity to score at the Dolphins three yard line but they took a knee. Patriots miss the playoffs by five points. Why even think about tie breakers and such? Why not just score points as it is the goal in the game?

That is a rational argument. My question to that, and I'm asking because I honestly don't know the answer, is what's the order that points factors in a tie breaker? Is it third?

Also, when is the last time points has factored into a playoff scenario tie breaker? Has it ever happened?

Even if this is rational reasoning for the Patriots TD, I guarantee you tie breakers were not involved in Belicheat's reasoning in going for the TD.

"MonstBlitz wrote:

That is a rational argument. My question to that, and I'm asking because I honestly don't know the answer, is what's the order that points factors in a tie breaker? Is it third?

Also, when is the last time points has factored into a playoff scenario tie breaker? Has it ever happened?

Even if this is rational reasoning for the Patriots TD, I guarantee you tie breakers were not involved in Belicheat's reasoning in going for the TD.

I think it's fourth and I cannot remember the last time points were referenced for a decision. But tie breakers kicked us out of the playoffs the last time we were in contention for a spot and I would not want to be the poor sap that took a knee for the honor of an opponent in leau of making a playoff spot. If the league gave a hoot about "running up the score" they'd take points out of the tie breaker.

The Patriots will get theres...I wouldn't feel bad if Peezy fell on Tom Brady's knee next year. F all of them Patsies.....running it up like that at the end is BS!!!!

the pats, classless? well, sure. Suck it up though. We lost. They had their way with us today. Nothing we can do about it but come back next year, when were even better than we are now and take it to them and hopefully sweep them next year. Were going to be in their shoes sooner rather than later. They'll get whats coming to them...

I don't have a problem with it. Belicheat gives the defense ANOTHER chance to stop them. So, in other words, it gives them ANOTHER chance to PREVENT points. If he kicks the field goal, there's almost no chance that they don't get the points. At least with running it, it gives the Dolphins a chance.

Also, it's good for him to get his guys real-time practice on a fourth-and-1 goalline attempt. People think that BB is some sort of evil man. I think the guy does what's best for his team...he doesn't care about the other team. I don't have any problems with the play call.

"Zod wrote:

Points are a playoff Tie Breaker. I can't fault any team for scoring points. Taking a knee at the goal is like predicting the future.

I can see it now. Jets, Pats, Dolphins have split everything at the end of the season. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry on ESPN, CBS, FOX, NBC, CNN, or other media outlet replay the Patriots opportunity to score at the Dolphins three yard line but they took a knee. Patriots miss the playoffs by five points. Why even think about tie breakers and such? Why not just score points as it is the goal in the game?

I agree that you always put points on the board.

Most fans, myself included, is how they got those points though.

See, I have a problem with the decision to go for a garbage touchdown on fourth down, instead of simply kicking the field goal. At the time the game was 41-28 with less than a minute remaining; the outcome was clear. They could have kicked the field goal, made it 44-28, and I wouldn't have complained a bit about it.

Bellichek classless? Of course.

"Zod wrote:

I think it's fourth and I cannot remember the last time points were referenced for a decision. But tie breakers kicked us out of the playoffs the last time we were in contention for a spot and I would not want to be the poor sap that took a knee for the honor of an opponent in leau of making a playoff spot. If the league gave a hoot about "running up the score" they'd take points out of the tie breaker.

given their panache for running the score up last season when they pretty much had the playoffs in hand I would say the logical conclusion is they are just *******s :pointlol:

what did we do when we met them earlier this year? I didn't get to see the game. I remember reading that we quit passing in the 4th. Were we running it up then?

It was classless, plain and simple. Someone please give me an instance of when the strength of victory tiebreaker has ever been used in the NFL. Seriously, what is it the fifth or sixth one? Give me a break, this isn't college, the BCS doesn't decide who gets a title shot. I can't imagine a scenario where Bellicheat will need that tiebreaker to get a postseason spot. And FYI unless I'm crazy Miami's week 3 margin of victory was larger than 20 points anyway.

The Pats were running the ball.

Running it. They didn't come out slinging it. If Cassel had been passing it to Moss out there, I might have some sympathy.

The defense had ample opportunity to stop the Pats before that 4th and goal. They just didn't do it. 4th and goal from the one and up by 13 points? You go for it, because if they stop you, it doesn't matter. Give the young rook some experience in goal-line situations...

Seriously, folks. This was a great game up until that 4th quarter where the team fell apart. Some folks here are sounding like the Pats fans after week 3...

Just saying...

"MonstBlitz wrote:

That is a rational argument. My question to that, and I'm asking because I honestly don't know the answer, is what's the order that points factors in a tie breaker? Is it third?

Also, when is the last time points has factored into a playoff scenario tie breaker? Has it ever happened?

Even if this is rational reasoning for the Patriots TD, I guarantee you tie breakers were not involved in Belicheat's reasoning in going for the TD.

This is nothing new for the Pats.
They've done it on a regular basis so no need to be surprised by it.
Hopefully we have a more developed team next year more on par with their talent and we can smack them around.

Stop defending Bellichick, we all know how much class he has. Remember when he tried to run off the field early after the Giants killed his perfect season dream? He ran the score up all the time last season. He hasn't changed. It's bad sportsmanship, plain and simple. Don't give me that, "the defense should have stopped him" garbage. As if that makes it OK.

They are trying to get style points for the BCS..... whoops wrong league.

It was classless. But it's par for the course for Belichick.

I'm not 'that' upset about it. You're paid to stop them. But it's not something I'd show to my kids and say, "that's sportsmanship".

I mean, it's 4th down late in a game that's out of hand. And you go for the TD. Lack of respect, lack of class. I would be driving that home during Patriots week next season. Yeah, maybe I'm a little upset about it.

OT: you want to know what we did in that situation?

2008: up 35-13...kicked a FG
2006: up 21-0....took a knee at the goal line.

It won't last though. We will be stepping on their necks soon enough. They are not more physical or better coached than this team. They simply have an 8-year head start. But as you can see, that gap has closed in a hurry.

Made me feel a lot better after boo'ing when their injured players got up.

I have zero respect for that entire organization. I'd never share a friendly gesture with anyone associated within. If my brother (not a professional athlete; just saying) became a New England Patriot, honest to God truth, I would avoid him at all costs. He'd no longer be family to me.

The most disgusting organization in the history of sports. Oh, and LaDainian Tomlinson was definitely right, "it starts with their head coach"

"Muck wrote:

It was classless. But it's par for the course for Belichick.

I'm not 'that' upset about it. You're paid to stop them. But it's not something I'd show to my kids and say, "that's sportsmanship".

I mean, it's 4th down late in a game that's out of hand. And you go for the TD. Lack of respect, lack of class. I would be driving that home during Patriots week next season. Yeah, maybe I'm a little upset about it.

OT: you want to know what we did in that situation?

2008: up 35-13...kicked a FG
2006: up 21-0....took a knee at the goal line.

It won't last though. We will be stepping on their necks soon enough. They are not more physical or better coached than this team. They simply have an 8-year head start. But as you can see, that gap has closed in a hurry.

And, if we take a step back and look at the two games, as a whole:

8 quarters of football

Miami Dolphins: 66

New England Patriots: 61

One team's on their way down.

One team's on their way up.

Not all that bad, huh?

After a night to sleep on it, I still think it was classless. And I still hate the Patriots. But what's done is done. Nothing else to do now except handler our business for the rest of the season and hope we can still sneak a playoff spot.

Some of you might not of seen it, but on the last miami drive when Henne took a Knee, Bellicheat wasnt playing his starters, when he realized that the dolphins were sending an offense with Henne, Bellicheat took a timeout and put a few starters back....

I think it was a jab by Sparano and the Patriots looked really foolish

PS Matt Light better be suspended

I'd expect nothing more from Bellicheet. No question that last TD was classless. And that's okay. It will give us something to remember for when we meet again.