Did this season hurt Tannehill?

Yep. He needs to be backup next year to Cohen or Jackson or someone. Enough project enough time and we need to move on from emo Gase.

On the contrary. I think Tannehill's stock went up based on the season so far because the last time we had a good offense was with him as QB (technically, Moore did well at the end of last year too.. but his stock fell after this year).

"cbrad wrote:

On the contrary. I think Tannehill's stock went up based on the season so far because the last time we had a good offense was with him as QB (technically, Moore did well at the end of last year too.. but his stock fell after this year).

that's my point is its pretty much the same team, with 2 qbs who have thrived in gase system and both have failed. does it shed light on RT having a lucky year? and now his name is tarnished with the rest?

"cbrad wrote:

On the contrary. I think Tannehill's stock went up based on the season so far because the last time we had a good offense was with him as QB (technically, Moore did well at the end of last year too.. but his stock fell after this year).

Define good. My definition is not "not mediocre". We've not had a good offense this millenia.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

that's my point is its pretty much the same team, with 2 qbs who have thrived in gase system and both have failed. does it shed light on RT having a lucky year? and now his name is tarnished with the rest?

"Rickysabeast wrote:

Define good. My definition is not "not mediocre". We've not had a good offense this millenia.

Well.. I think you guys by now know I like stats haha. And without cherry picking just games 6-13, Tannehill for the entire year had a 93.5 rating. The league-wide average last year was 87.6. So from a purely data driven perspective, Tannehill for the entire 2016 season is best described as slightly above average.

Oh, and sample size is more than large enough for that to be reliable FOR THAT YEAR. Doesn't say anything about how likely he is to repeat that.

"cbrad wrote:

Well.. I think you guys by now know I like stats haha. And without cherry picking just games 6-13, Tannehill for the entire year had a 93.5 rating. The league-wide average last year was 87.6. So from a purely data driven perspective, Tannehill for the entire 2016 season is best described as slightly above average.

At his best with the most effort he's slightly above average. So maybe three weeks a year he's the 10th-12th best qb of 32? Yeah he needs to go for a better replacement. Who? Unknown.

"cbrad wrote:

Well.. I think you guys by now know I like stats haha. And without cherry picking just games 6-13, Tannehill for the entire year had a 93.5 rating. The league-wide average last year was 87.6. So from a purely data driven perspective, Tannehill for the entire 2016 season is best described as slightly above average.

Oh, and sample size is more than large enough for that to be reliable FOR THAT YEAR. Doesn't say anything about how likely he is to repeat that.

you cant pick a 12 game year though you have to look at his whole career being that he has had 5 years, if you get what im saying if he played 16 games then maybe. all we do is look at cutlers 1 year and look where that gets us hahahah

"Rickysabeast wrote:

At his best with the most effort he's slightly above average. So maybe three weeks a year he's the 10th-12th best qb of 32? Yeah he needs to go for a better replacement. Who? Unknown.

3 games is a stretch too, I seriously doubt with the $h!t of a running game he would have succeeded this year.

"bigballa2102 wrote:

you cant pick a 12 game year though you have to look at his whole career being that he has had 5 years, if you get what im saying if he played 16 games then maybe. all we do is look at cutlers 1 year and look where that gets us hahahah

Passer rating starts to become relatively reliable as a stat after about 150 passing attempts. You can see that here with passer ratings for every QB for every year (up to 2016) in the SB era (edit: actually I think it might be in the salary cap era):

So Tannehill's 93.5 passer rating for 2016 is definitely reliable for that year. As I said before, it doesn't say anything about how that would translate to another year. But in 2016 he was slightly above average.

after 5 years we should be able to point at more than 12 games and 1 year IMO

"bigballa2102 wrote:

after 5 years we should be able to point at more than 12 games and 1 year IMO

Without doing a game-by-game analysis (I'm trying to code something at work while responding haha!) what I can do is adjust all of Tannehill's yearly passer ratings to a reference year and then average them. So if you let the reference year be 2016, Tannehill's adjusted passer ratings come out to be

2012: 79.55
2013: 85.1
2014: 93.33
2015: 87.9
2016: 93.5

The weighted average of those (weight each by games started) is 87.65. League-wide average in 2016 (the reference year) was 87.6. LOL So maybe the best characterization of Tannehill across 5 years is that he is almost exactly an average QB if you use passer rating as your measure.

"cbrad wrote:

Without doing a game-by-game analysis (I'm trying to code something at work while responding haha!) what I can do is adjust all of Tannehill's yearly passer ratings to a reference year and then average them. So if you let the reference year be 2016, Tannehill's adjusted passer ratings come out to be

2012: 79.55
2013: 85.1
2014: 93.33
2015: 89.9
2016: 93.5

The weighted average of those (weight each by games started) is 87.65. League-wide average in 2016 (the reference year) was 87.6. LOL So maybe the best characterization of Tannehill across 5 years is that he is almost exactly an average QB if you use passer rating as your measure.

in all honesty cutler has an 86.7 rating right now, anyone can have a high rating throwing bubble screens shovel passes and slants. I don't go by that ratings with the dolphins because we call plays to make "stats" look good lol and we did that all year last yr that's why half of landrys yards where YAC yards lol

I don't understand this at all.

This season is showing just how good Thill is.

"Fin D wrote:

I don't understand this at all.

This season is showing just how good Thill is.

sounds like your fine with 1 more or 2 more years to realize hes not our long term guy, which is fine!!

"bigballa2102 wrote:

sounds like your fine with 1 more or 2 more years to realize hes not our long term guy, which is fine!!

lol. What is the difference between this year and last if not our starting QB?

"Fin D wrote:

lol. What is the difference between this year and last if not our starting QB?

my point is he could have played this year and possibly had a case or chance to prove he should stay, now with this crappy yr does it affect him if we clean house etc. and move on.

Make sense?

"bigballa2102 wrote:

in all honesty cutler has an 86.7 rating right now, anyone can have a high rating throwing bubble screens shovel passes and slants. I don't go by that ratings with the dolphins because we call plays to make "stats" look good lol and we did that all year last yr that's why half of landrys yards where YAC yards lol

You don't know what you're talking about. RT's YPA last year was 7.7

Here are some other YAC stats. There are some pretty damn good QB's throwing to people with top 10 YAC stats.

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"danmarino wrote:

You don't know what you're talking about. RT's YPA last year was 7.7

and your point? YPA yard consist of yac yards so therefore an 8 yard bubble screen ran by landry makes his YPA go up lol

landry was top 5 in YAC yards last year and he didn't catch anything beyond 10 yards possibly a hand full. that's my point Ratings look good when the wr does everything.

"danmarino wrote:

Here are some other YAC stats. There are some pretty damn good QB's throwing to people with top 10 YAC stats.

[ATTACH:full]

exactly rb's should lead in yac yards they get swing passes, you just proved my point landry was the highest wr lol

Besides OBJ what guy on that list goes downfield?

"bigballa2102 wrote:

and your point? YPA yard consist of yac yards so therefore an 8 yard bubble screen ran by landry makes his YPA go up lol

landry was top 5 in YAC yards last year and he didn't catch anything beyond 10 yards possibly a hand full. that's my point Ratings look good when the wr does everything.

Sigh....

"bigballa2102 wrote:

exactly rb's should lead in yac yards they get swing passes, you just proved my point landry was the highest wr lol

I didn't realize that Golden Tate, Edelman, Beckham, and Travis Kelce were RB's. And you don't understand %'s huh? You should do the math before you post anything else.

"danmarino wrote:

Sigh....

same ol dan trying to act like you know football more than anyone, I do understand % but your right you know more than everyone and your arguments are correct because you pay for this site, RT was 50% air yards last year and 3.8 air yards per attempt but ya he was slingin it all over the yard, get real dude!!!

"bigballa2102 wrote:

my point is he could have played this year and possibly had a case or chance to prove he should stay, now with this crappy yr does it affect him if we clean house etc. and move on.

Make sense?

No it doesn't.

Again....he played last year with the same offense, and we became the hottest team in the league. This year without him and...again this is important....the same offense.....is horrible.

There is no reason to think the offense's problems this year are related to anything other than Thill not being here.