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Dilemma at TE

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by dirtylandry, Aug 22, 2016.

  1. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    I look at Jordan Cameron and I used to see an injury-prone, talented TE. Now I don't see the talent, plus he can't block. I think Miami should consider cutting him, if there are cap savings and using Sims. Sims is a superior blocker and his offensive production, despite limited, might get you more than Jordan. And let's face it, the better blocking, the better, especially with this line (based on history).
     
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  2. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    That drop Friday was absurd. If he doesn't get it together fast I see no point in keeping him on the roster. We have plenty of guys that are cheaper that can play just as poorly.
     
  3. Phoenician Fan

    Phoenician Fan Well-Known Member

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    What makes you think we are going without any two TE sets?? And what do we need cap room for at this point? We will have more cap room than we know what to do with in 2017.
     
  4. jeremy2020

    jeremy2020 Active Member

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    If they can't figure out what to do with the cap space given the gaping holes on the team then it's going to be a long time before they are out of the AFCE basement
     
  5. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    There's no advantage to cutting cameron. He's definitely our best all round TE. The drop was bad, but you don't cut a guy for one drop.
     
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  6. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    he sucks. wish we still had clay
     
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  7. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    it's more than a drop. He has slowly just diminished from this offense. He cannot block and he is always hurt.
    This has been going on for some time now
     
  8. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Yeah, Cameron has been a disappointment, and it made me sick watching Clay catch that 60yd bomb vs the Gi'aints the other day.
     
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  9. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    He's been a huge disappointment for sure, and Cleveland didn't necessarily suffer from him leaving. Gary Barnidge stepped right in and became a very good player for them last year, no matter who the QB was. I'd like to see Sims take the next step this year, and hopefully he will, but as bad as Cameron has been there is no reason to just cut him right now.
     
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  10. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Sims was destined to have a good year last year and he had that concussion in week 1 and he was never the same. He is the superior blocker
     
  11. invid

    invid Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm not ready to give up on JC yet, and prognosticating whether or not Clay could have picked up this offense any faster is a fool's errand but I agree with the general sentiment here. Seems like a swing and a miss by the FO, especially considering Clay and Tannehill had pretty good chemistry. We'll have to hope Cameron irons out his struggles and turns into the player his salary says he should be.
     
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  12. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    we're always hoping that players turn their struggles around. same thing for this run defense. at what point is it just a weakness, and we have to gameplan with or wo it?
     
  13. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    all the players on the Miami Dolphins are great and without flaws. you are biased and a hater.
     
  14. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Don't see how Simms could have much downside vis a' vis Jordan.
     
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  15. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    several swings and misses like that.
     
  16. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    He didn't miss a single game last year? I don't even remember him being hurt here or ever hearing his name associated with an injury here...

    Now, 386yds and 3 tds isn't stellar or anything, and we should expect more, but remember that Lazor didn't call plays for anyone other than landry.
     
  17. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Sometimes the best option is just to stick with a guy and hope he turns it around, especially if the guy has a history of high performance. Realistically what can we do about the position at this point? I like Dominique Jones but are we going to find a magic bullet on waivers? I doubt it. Under different circumstances if Jordan Cameron were put on waivers, we might be looking at him as the possible solution to our problems.
     
  18. MikeHoncho

    MikeHoncho -=| Censored |=- Club Member

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    He doesn't, but I do still wish we had Clay.
     
  19. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Me too. I was going to buy a Clay jersey.
     
  20. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It is what it is at this point. He's going to be inconsistent and probably miss some games, hopefully we can put things together on offense. TE is certainly going to be a position we look at in free agency or the draft next year.
     
  21. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The issue with Jordan Cameron isn't that he's injury prone per se, it's that he's concussion prone. The fear isn't so much him missing a couple of games as it is his career and the potential for a normal healthy life coming suddenly to an end. He's allegedly got a new helmet that is supposed to help but I'm skeptical that changes the game basically being a series of car crashes as far as the body goes.

    I would have preferred they released Cameron entirely and just tried to get a Anthony Fasano type season out of Dion Sims and rest on the quality of your receivers this year.
     
  22. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    yeah but if they aren't going to use the cap money, then not worth it
     
  23. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    When Tannehill calls you out in the media, something is amiss.

    Okay, Tannehill didn't exactly call him out, but he did have a few things to say:

    ...In the only way Tamnehill can call out a guy via the media. Very nicely without rubbing anyone the wrong way.
     
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  24. MikeHoncho

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    Just sounds like he was asked about the drop and was answering the question.
     
  25. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

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    I left a nugget out in that Tannehill was quoted as saying he wanted Cameron to "get rolling".

    The quote in my initial post seemed like it was afterward.
     
  26. btfu149

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    That was my plan too, but I never got around to it. That TD against Pittsburgh will always be one of my favorite plays.
     
  27. tirty8

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    He's not very good. The problem is saves us $1 million in cap space but costs us $7 million in dead money.

    So the real question that this post should be asking is, "Would you be willing to pay Jordan Cameron $7 million to not play for the Dolphins?" Unfortunately, the answer to that question is a hard no.
     
  28. JDelenne

    JDelenne Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Anything on that TE that we drafted? I don't think i've read anything about him or seen him get a snap.
     
  29. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    Duarte is raw. A project indeed, but had a productive college Career. Let's not forget that Gase helped develop Julius Thomas. I don't recall if Thomas had a good preseason or played because of injuries. Point is he flourished under Gase, a TE out of nowhere.

    In this offense, how much blocking is needed over just being a stud at catching?
     
  30. Pauly

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    Rule 1 of pre season. If the vets don't have someone pushing their tail they don't go at full tilt.

    I can't say I am happy with the effort Cameron and Sims have put in so far in the pre season, but when the guys who are they competing against are late round draft picks, retreads cut from other teams and UDFAs. Their main worry is going to be avoiding injury and picking up the playbook.
     
  31. Rickysabeast

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    I agree that there isn't much benefit to cutting him. He has more potential upside than our other TE's. I think he went to the pro bowl with the Browns. That said, I'm not very happy at all with his contribution to this point. Cutting Clay was a dumb move. But had we kept him, maybe we would have been just bad enough to still have Philbin so I'm ok with him being gone.
     
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  32. dirtylandry

    dirtylandry Well-Known Member

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    we didn't cut Clay, we couldn't match the Bills offer
     
  33. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Clay? He was often chipped up here with his knee
     
  34. dolphin25

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    I was thinking Sims was going to turn the corner , but last year was kinda disappointing.
     
  35. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    just out of curiosity, Do you believe every player on the Dolphins is a good player? There is not a player on the team that you think could to do a better job?
     
  36. jeremy2020

    jeremy2020 Active Member

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    Cameron is definitely the best TE on the Dolphins roster currently. That's a very sad and unfortunate statement about what the Dolphins have at TE, but it's true.
     
  37. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    couldn't or didn't want to?
     
  38. gladsadmad

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    I know Miami couldn't keep Clay. That contract Buffalo signed him to was absurd. He is currently the 7th highest paid TE in the NFL. He makes more than Greg Olsen, Jason Witten and Antonio Gates...ridiculous!

    I simply don't see Cameron get open. He's supposed to have all this speed, yet he's always got a LB all over him. I'd be surprised if he does anything this year.
     
  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    We also gave him the Transition tag instead of the franchise tag and gave him a low ball offer after the season was over before tagging began.
     
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