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Dion Jordan injury has been mentioned plenty but what about Jamar Taylor

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by finwin, Aug 22, 2013.

  1. finwin

    finwin Active Member

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    I'm surprised at the Props Ireland is getting when this years draft has started so poorly. Aside from Dion Jordan staying injured, there's almost no talk on the board about Jamar Taylor missing all of training camp from a sports hernia surgery he had. Did Ireland not know he needed surgery before he was drafted? Then he starts camp and isn't ready and re injures it early. I had high expectations from a pick selected as high as 54... he should be a lock down corner.
     
  2. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Great point, the best way to judge a pick is his first training camp. You pretty much know how his career is going to go at that point. Ireland needs to pay for his transgressions, firing is too good for him.

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  3. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Ireland may or may not be the best GM that ever was in charge of a team, but geez, now he's supposed to predict injuries and how long guys take to get back from them ??

    I believe it's common knowledge that they were aware of both guys injury status before they drafted them. They must not be too worried about Taylor because they just let go of Marshal, a qualified veteran that could easily have been our 3rd CB.

    As for Jordan, I'm not too worried about his lack of progress because of his natural ability. He's got enough natural talent to have a significant impact as a situational pass rusher and still have a positive affect on the D...even if that means he's not an every down starter. Remember that's how Wake was used his first year with us, as well...

    Things still have to work out, that's true, but I don't see panic with either of those guys yet...
     
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  4. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I've got to say, I'm a bit concerned here as well. We've just cut Marshall, and of course we all know his production here was nothing at all to be proud of, so you'd expect that means Taylor and Davis are going to have to contribute. Taylor however is having troubles staying healthy, and Davis is pretty raw, but we knew that about Davis.

    Pretty discouraging when you look at the potential some of these guys should have had to step in and contribute right away, but they've been slowed by the injuries we knew, or should have known about when drafting them. Jordan's just have some rough luck with his by the sounds of it. Taylor... I'm not too sure.

    All you can say I guess is.. .that's football. Guys get hurt. Sometimes these things linger, I just hope they get healthy enough to play... fast. Having them both healthy and ready to play would be big for us IMO.
     
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  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Let it play out, no sense getting your panties in a tizzy on a couple of injury setbacks..they are two great draft picks with lots of talent and have already flashed on the pro level..neither is out for the season and there's still over two weeks before the season starts.
     
  6. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Did people miss that Jamar Taylor just played in the Texans game?
     
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  7. Boik14

    Boik14 Admin Club Member

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    We knew Jamar Taylor was hurt on draft night and that this would be an issue. It was discussed thoroughly though I'm not sure if it was in the main forum or Club Level. Either way it was well known that the reason he fell to the spot we grabbed him was because he was rehabbing an injury.....

    Heres the rotoworld blurb from draft week:

     
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  8. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I think people don't talk about the Jamar Taylor injury for three reasons:

    1. He was never really healthy. He never gave anyone a taste of what he could do.
    2. Will Davis has given the fans so many reports of interceptions in camp, they have their fill.
    3. Until very recently it looked like there wasn't much room for rookie participation in that unit this year anyway.
     
  9. 72 Dolphins

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    While NFL owners knew of Taylor's injury on draft day, it was never considered an injury that could jeapordize a career. Taylor was speed at a position that desperately needed attention and I have no problem with the pick.

    Jordan, on the other hand, had an exsisting injury that could plague him his entire career and addressed a position that was the least of concern on this football team.

    I don't believe the two picks are even in same ball-park for stupidity.

    If there is one thing we can learn from baseball....it is this: Shoulder injuries/surgeries have yet to be perfected by modern medicine. They can put an elbow or knee back together and with the right work towards rehabilitation, you can come back stronger than before you were injured. It is commonplace in todays medicine that knees and elbows can be repaired to 100%.

    Shoulders can be game over.
     
  10. Sam

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    Unless I'm mistaken, I don't remember there being a hernia issue at draft time, there was only the kidney issue. Looking on Google, his surgery was on May 21, the draft was in late April.
     
  11. mcdave21

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    I disagree with this. How many corners that come into the league are "lockdown corners" as rookies? Not many.....
     
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  12. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    How's Dee Milliner doing?

    Spoiler: Not that well.
     
  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Hellooooo???!??!?!?

    Spoiler tags.
     
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  14. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    [​IMG]
     
  15. Claymore95

    Claymore95 Working on it... Club Member

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    Drew Brees says hi...
     
  16. 72 Dolphins

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    "His recovery has been one of the most remarkable of any patient I've ever treated," says Dr. Andrews.
    "Lord, I was just hoping to give him a functional shoulder," says Andrews. "An average athlete would not recover from this injury."

    Straight from the mouth of the most prolific sports medicine surgeon on the planet.

    Drew Brees was lucky.

    Torn Labrums are not the injury I would recommend for NFL DE/LB's or QB's for that matter.
     
  17. Two Tacos

    Two Tacos Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Another great point, Jordon will never be a reliever, much less a starting pitcher. How can Ireland blithely ignore the medical ramifications of an injuries effect on a baseball career? And, it's not just baseball, anyone think the LPGA is calling Jordan anytime soon, because I don't. I said it before, firing is too good for him. I'm thinking about something evolving hot sauce, a naked mole rat, and spark plugs. DJ knows what I'm talking about.

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  18. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    How many "lock down corners" do you feel are in the NFL? Having those expectations for the #54 pick in the draft are very off base. Reasonable expectations would be that of a good long term starter.
     
  19. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    which player that sustained a shoulder injury had to call it a career, i can´t think of ONE

    edit: NFL Players of course
     
  20. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    It's too early to know anything about these injuries. If they are missing the real games, then ill start caring. Dion Jordan would be out there if this weeks game was for real.
     
  21. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Armando Salguero article titled: Concern about Jordan missing opener grows.

    Oh. Fun.
     
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  22. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    We should just go ahead and call Jordan a bust too.
    Get out our torches and pitchforks and burn Ireland at the stake.
    This fanbase never ceases to amaze me with its premature drama.
     
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  23. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    Of course. He has to pull hits and attention back from Omar.
     
  24. FanMarino

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    Rookie with massive upside gets wrapped in cotton wool and gets rested for future career after his injury get a niggle.. Shock, horror! Seriously?
     
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  25. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    You don't know what you're talking about.
     
  26. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Don't you think you're being a little ridiculous? I don't understand these people who think there's a conspiracy from the local writers to sabotage the team.
     
  27. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    You're assuming he's not correct.

    Bad assumption.
     
  28. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    It has nothing to do with sabotaging the team. It's that they know what will drive Internet clicks... which is what drives their jobs.

    The easiest strings for them to pull on are emotional ones, particularly outrage and panic. Happiness and contentment are far less powerful emotions.

    If they got 10x the amount of clicks on positive encouraging stories about the team than they did for negative ones... these guys would be ****ting rainbows and butterflies. But that isn't the case. Just use sports radio as your guide. Do you feel people are more compelled to call in to a radio show when they're happy about the team? Or when their pissed off about something regarding the team?

    It's the latter by far. Sports radio and sports writers get that. It's why they are always looking for controversy. An article like this would get 10x the number of clicks than a one about how Jon Martin is making progress at LT. And that isn't lost on them...
     
  29. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    He didn't say anything substantial. I am concerned that a metorite will hit Seattle in the next 10 years or Seattle will have the big earthquake that is long overdue, or that Mount Rainier will erupt that has been predicted to happen soon.

    It doesn't mean that any of those things will actually happen.
     
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  30. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Yay for argumentation without substance.
     
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  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    You do it well
     
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  32. biggiesmalls3k1

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    I really do not understand the drafting of someone that has a legitimate injury with a top pick in a year in which you know a bad season spells doom for you...we have to now treat Jordan with kid gloves...should've taken Ansah or stayed at 12 and gotten BPA...this is going to end the same way things always go for the Dolphins, complete and utter disappointment, sprinkled with some "but he has potential, did you see him in the preseason?!?!?!", for good measure lol
     
  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    What the hell TT, a naked mole rat...Ive never seen a dressed mole rat??, and where do the spark plugs go??

    Can someone pm me Photos..TP, FIn?
     
  34. Claymore95

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    So you think Jordan is just an average athlete compared to Brees? And that no surgeon has learned anything from Brees' successful surgery of 7 years ago? Never mind that Dr Andrews is obviously going to blow his own trumpet about what a great surgeon he is.

    Jordan will be fine.
     
  35. VanDolPhan

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    You're assuming I'm assuming a bad assumption, but I wasn't assuming a bad assumption. I'm assuming most realize I'm just assuming Armando wanted some attention....I assume.... and not assuming any other assumption (ok I'll stop now!)
     
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  36. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    thanks
     
  37. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I know you are but what am I
     
  38. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Dion Jordan admitted today he may not be ready for the regular season.
     
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  39. iamtiv

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    Taylor has been back and has been impressive, and I'm pretty sure that is another reason why Marshall got released. Taylor could start his rookie season already being a better CB than Richard Marshall ever was.
     
  40. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Come on man, all the signs are pointing to the staff having legit concerns that he's not going to be ready. Kevin Coyle hemmed and hawed when asked. Dion Jordan has been downright gloomy on twitter and didn't sound all that confident when he talked about it today after practice. Jeff Ireland was spotted on the sidelines at practice yesterday having a very long discussion with trainers and even getting coaches involved talking about Jordan and the various pass rush moves and how they might affect his shoulder.

    But Armando is just vying for attention?

    I don't like Armando any more than anyone here and I think I've probably got more legit reasons to dislike him than most. But he saw Jeff Ireland having a big long discussion with trainers about Dion yesterday, it didn't look good, he followed it up by pumping his sources, and this is what they told him.
     

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