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Dion not practicing, likely wont start.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Clemsonpanther, Aug 13, 2013.

  1. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    I don't care if he plays another preseason game.

    Dion Jordan must have a monster year for us. That is the bottom line.
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Damn it, shut him down, do another small rehab assignment..
     
  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Or what? You'll post more anti Ireland bunk and rhetoric than you already do?

    We can be a playoff team this year and Dion Jordan can never play a down.....and you'd still not chnage a single thing about your posts would you?
     
  4. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I don't find Sturgis to be the most impressive rookie based on what we've seen and know. I wouldn't even put Sturgis in the top 3 most impressive rookies.
     
  5. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    You're not Armando, which means you're not a member of "The League of Evil & Bitter Sports Writers Who Lie to Create Controversy".
     
  6. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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  7. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Long term health obviously the most important thing here.
     
  8. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    what a weak article/blurb. so, he might miss some preseason time. big deal if he's going to only be a situational player for us this season.
     
  9. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I've not gone into a season hoping a rookie would play lights out. It's always awesome to see it happen (RGIII, Wilson, AJ Green, etc...) but it's always best to assume the rookies will have zero impact in year 1. As long as DJ gets bigger and stronger, more experience, I'm happy with that.
     
  10. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    The gist of the article, I thought, was that since he's having to miss some preseason time, it limits his ability to crack the starting lineup this year....or at least, that is the way the staff is looking at his situation...


    At any rate, the long term health is the issue, not the preseason...
     
  11. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    My expectations for Jordan all along have been as a nickel pass-rusher. If he can give the team 7-10 sacks, that would be a successful rookie year IMO.
     
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  12. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Aldon Smith didn't start his first year either.
     
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  13. I see a lot of people make these types of statements and I just can't bring myself to understand them. Please help me understand your thinking. Jordan was not drafted because of his production last year, I know you understand that, he was drafted on his untapped upside. He is a very raw talent that will need time to become an all around talent. This is not something that is going to happen in one year. He is not the polished DE that some of the other high picks were, but his UPSIDE is what he was drafted for, right??

    Now having said that, I hear some say he HAS to have a monster rookie year like they think that matters some how. Do you think if he has 2 sacks for the year and doesn't start until the last two games of the season THIS year, but goes on to become a HOFer and lead the league in sacks 5 of the next 10 years that it was some how a mistake to trade up to draft him?? I mean REALLY!!! I know we live in a microwave age, where everyone wants everything 5 minutes ago, and can't stand to wait on ANYTHING, but in the grand schme of things, just how important is a player's rookie year??

    I can remember not too long ago when the conventional wisdom said you NEVER started a rookie at any point. Some coaches made comments like "it will cost you at least one game for every rookie you start". Now there are those who say if it doesn't come in ready to play from the first game you overdrafted him. I just don't understand that kind of thinking, please help me understand.

    Obviously there are no sure things. If he is a bust then he is a bust, and to be honest I think he has a fairly high chance of being just that. But if he turns out to be as good as a lot of people think, if he turns out to be the best defensive player in this draft class, does it really matter to some of you if he has a bad rookie year?? Will that make Jeff wrong for drafting raw talent that needs more than a year to get used to playing in the NFL??
     
  14. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Good points, NC

    Instant gratification has cost more than one GM and/or coach his job. Everyone looks at Wilson or RG3 and says "why not our guy" (whoever that is) and it's just not that simple. Those guys are exceptions, not the rule... Look at Cam Wake a few years ago...He was just a guy we picked up from Canada that had flunked out of his NFL shot a few years before. In his first year, he was a 3rd down rushing specialist and had to work on his run support because he was NOT very good at it...amazing how things have changed for that kid and now he's a star in the league... Maybe, just maybe the same will be said about Jordan in 3 yrs, but that still doesn't erase the reality that he may or may not have a major impact this year....
     
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  15. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    All the more motivation for OV to blow up. I really want to see how much he improves this year.
     
  16. Finrunner

    Finrunner Season Ticket Holder

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    Like Larry says, your post is filled with good points and common sense, EXCEPT for the part where you ask folks with the "he has to have a monster year for us, or else!" mindset to help you understand their thinking. Agendas or a lack of football acumen - take your pick.

    Obviously, barring a long-term shoulder (or other) injury, he's going to get on the field and make some plays, which will be exciting and everyone wants to see. But coaching and hard work matter in football, so yeah, he should be good this year (how good remains to be seen) but get better over the year and in the next few years to where he's a force on our defense for close to a decade. That's the hope, anyway.
     
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  17. Yeah I guess I understand those with an agenda. I didn't like the pick at the time either. I would have taken Lane Johnson if I traded up. But I am not so stubborn that I will pull against a dolphins player just so I can say I was right. He is a dolphin now and I will hope and pray I was wrong about him and he turns into a superstar. And to me it doesn't matter if he becomes that superstar this year or two years from now, as long as he is still wearing a fins jersey I will be super happy we picked him.
     
  18. FanMarino

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    No, he doesn't. Bottom line he's our DE for next 5yrs +. Now that's the bottom line because.....I won't go down wrestling route.
     
  19. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    It's still almost a month to the first game so there is a lot of time and I agree with others. I never thought of Jordan as a player who would be ready to start. He's simply not strong enough - especially without having had a season of heavy lifting. He's a spot player who can rush the passer and along with others the Aldon Smith comparison has been in the minds of many since the hour Jordan was drafted. Even if he gets half of Smith's production as a spot player he can add a lot to the D.
     
  20. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    God I hate this douche, someone please smack the **** out of him.
     
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  21. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I'd say being overly cautious is the right route...IMHO. I'm not dying to see him rush back and blow that shoulder out for good because it wasn't developed properly. THAT would be 100% bust, and it would be the team's fault. Who gives a damn if he doesn't even start at all this year, if it means he's healthy going forward and learns a ton from Cam? Would LOVE to see him out there, but not at the expense of ending his career stupidly.
     
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  22. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    Philbin's MO from last season was to sprinkle the rookies in sparingly until after mid-season, then give them more playing time. Even then, he limited them.
     
  23. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    No he did not draft raw talent. If he did, he would've drafted Ansah. They moved up for the best player they thought would help them now. They targeted him and gave up a lot for him after sending the whole building to scout the combine.




    Much like waiting for Odrick, Misi, Henne, etc. No, this is the #3 pick. He needs to come in and play like the best DE in the game. He can either play or cannot.


    We have a game manager young quarterback. This offense needs the D to win games. And he was drafted to and needs to be there at the edge creating pressure, turnovers, and stops. If he is not, he is a busted #3 pick.
     
  24. GMJohnson

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    LOLz
     
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  25. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Why are you on this site? That's a serious question.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    To post Jim Mora pictures, duh.
     
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  27. 72 Dolphins

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    The fact remains we dumped a 2nd rounder - Ignored the franchise LT (WHO WiLL START AND CONTRIBUTE FROM GAME 1) - and drafted Dion Jordan as if he was the 2nd coming of Bruce Smith.

    Dez is right - He better have an impact this season. Jarvis Jones will and we wouldn't have had to cast off a 2nd rounder for him.

    I don't see what it so hard to see that drafting Jordan and his Shoulder surgery with the 3rd overall pick was dumb. He better be a HOFer and the sooner the better, for Ireland's sake.
     
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  28. padre31

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    Exactly, who the heck thought he was seriously going to a Starter at De for us this year?

    Goodness no, he's in the Cam Wake circa 2009 role, his job is to kick some Qb butt in situational play, besides truth be told Baby Squid has been as impressive if not moreso, so there also is no rush to put him on the field as a starter.

    What would be interesting to me is if our Will goes down, would he then start in replacement of say Wheeler?

    I suspect he would tbh
     
  29. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    The coaches have already said they want Jordan playing all over the place, in several roles...he's already shown he can impact the run D (albeit that happened against 2s, but he has the instincts). Based on those expectations, they need to VERY carefully tread the rehab waters and be damn sure he doesn't have any lingering concerns before the unleash the freak-ness.

    As long as he's out there by later in the season, flying around and doing what he does...I'm cool with it. If he misses the whole season, I'd be concerned...I wouldn't be on the "bust"wagon, but I'd certainly not be happy about it, only because of what it could signify for the long-term.
     
  30. 72 Dolphins

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    I don't think anyone could possibly say they have seen enough of him to be on a BUST wagon. Were simply saying there were other more viable options more suited for this team, then drafting Dion Jordan. (Shoulder injury and all - Casting off the 2nd round pick and all - Passing on Lane Johnson and all)

    None of us want Jordan to be a bust - We ALL want him to be a HOF. There are some of us that believe he was NOT the appropriate pick, that is all.

    Personally, I believe Jarvis Jones is a beast and will far eclipse Jordans career. We'll see.
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The fact remains you don't know how things are gonna play out, so why don't you have an open mind that we got the better player?, and keep both perspectives in mind when discussing the team, why keep mentioning Jarvis jones unless its about being right on your draft pick...

    Every draft has players that we would of went different directions on, but when they become dolphins, I try to give them all a clean slate to prove themselves, because to think I know how its all gonna work out before they play in a real game, would be a little too presumptuous..
     
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  32. padre31

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    Johnson, what crap, turn off "inside the NFL" crap and go with what one actually sees out on the field, and Jones has a serious structural health issue, it can either way with him
     
  33. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    No way. #3 pick who does not play or plays in limited role ain't gonna cut it yesterday, today, or tomorrow. That will always be disappointing, just the way it is.
     
  34. padre31

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    Nonsense, see Aldon Smith and he was what the #8 overall?

    Seemed to work out rather well for the 49ers.
     
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  35. PhinsRock

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    Opinions are all we've got to talk about on this site, and every one of us is entitled to their own, no matter who agrees with the opinion or how strongly they disagree. These personal attacks ought to stop, we are a family here, all cheering for the same team, so I say lets grow up and be a team!

    My personal opinion is we drafted Dion, whether I liked the pick (didn't) or not, I have no choice now except to live with it and hope like heck Dion is rehabbed correctly first and foremost, then hope he develops into the second coming of Jason Taylor, which I have no idea if he will or not, but sure as heck hope so.

    That being said I urge people to make an effort to leave personal agenda's like a hatred for Ireland, color their post. If you don't like a player it damn well shouldn't have squat to do with Ireland drafting them when you post your opinion about the player!

    What I don't like that I see here is the manner in which people's opinions are being attacked, and personally. If you disagree strongly with someone's opinion or post, I suggest you strongly present your case against their argument, instead of personally attacking them. I am no Lilly white Mr. Perfect and have made the mistake of letting my emotions overrule my logic when disagreeing with someone or their post. But I have made it my mission to be civil and show some respect to the poster, then tell them why they are out of their mind! :lol:
     
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  36. TooGoodForDez

    TooGoodForDez Deion Sanders for GM

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    Aldon played in 16 games, had 14 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 1 recovered, 4 passes defended. I'll be alright with that production..
     
  37. padre31

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    Could happen and there will be magic in coverage as well, I rarely buy into a draftee, Dio though, just has the skillset to be a truly unique player for a long time for us.
     
  38. CitizenSnips

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    I don't get it. This article completely ignored that he played in the HoF game and looked awesome. If that's him after "barely practicing" and not 100 percent...omg.
     
  39. CitizenSnips

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    Yep. And that team didn't have Cameron wake. I'm not going to judge dion individually but more so on a team level. Vernon ( though we haven't seen it and have no proof of it) has supposedly improved his pass rushing. I'm looking at wake, Vernon, and Jordan to total at least 30 sacks between them. How that gets divided up, don't care. This pass rush, as a whole, can be down right nasty and could control entire games if they're effective.

    Can't wait.
     

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