To me the Harbaugh situation reminds me of Jimmy Johnson part two. Both were successful college HCs who made a seamless transition to the NFL and brought storied franchises back to their glory days before egos got in the way. So for those on the Harbough band wagon, tell me what qualities does JH bring to the table which will enable him to succeed where JJ failed.
Well, Jimmy Johnson won some Super Bowls that Jim Harbaugh has yet to accomplish. With his ego, that HAS to be at the top of his Bucket List.
I think he's going for the league record TPP (tantrums per penalty) ratio...may be a lock. Seriously, I'm trying hard to remember the last HC that threw that many tantrums, that won the SB...I don't recall one, but I could be wrong.
Call me naive, but I wouldn't throw Philbin in the garbage just yet. He's not Shula. But if he can get his players to execute, he may be all we need. Now THAT was a pipe dream.
It is obvious that Harbaugh and the front office of the 49er's don't get along. So I have to wonder how much of these reports about how Harbaugh and the players are not getting along is coming directly from the front office and not from the actual players. If the front office decides to get rid of Harbaugh after this season, they can always use the excuse that Harbaugh's relationship with the players was the reason they decided to part ways with Harbaugh. Instead of accepting the fact that it is really the GM and the owner who have problems with Harbaugh and not the the players. All I know is that Harbaugh turned the 49er's from a loser into a winner. He has taken them to three straight playoffs, including one SB in his three years as the 49er's HC. I don't believe Harbaugh will be the next Dolphins head coach. Not because I wouldn't love to see him as the Dolphins HC in 2015, I just think that if the 49er's are stupid enough to let Harbaugh go after this season, he will have many offers to be the HC from other NFL teams and probably from the University of Michigan. The Dolphins job just isn't that enticing with the way the front office is structured. Ross had yet to show that he can close the deal when it comes to hiring the top head coaching and GM candidates. I don't expect anything to change in that regard if the Dolphins do decide to hire a new HC after this season. I suspect the next hire for the head coaching position will be someone who is willing to work with Hickey and Aponte. So that will mean it will end up being someone who isn't on the top of anyone's list of candidates and this person will take the job because no one else is offering him a job as a head coach anywhere else. In other words, Philbin will be replaced by someone much like himself and mediocrity will continue under this ownership. I hope I am wrong about this prediction, but I just don't have any faith in Ross as the owner of the Dolphins when it comes to being able to hire the best candidates for the job.
So if this team ends up 8-8 this season, you think Philbin should keep his job? The easy part of the schedule is over and now they begin the tough part of the season over the next 12 games. I have no problem with Philbin remaining the HC if he gets this team to the playoffs. Anything less that the playoffs and he needs to go, IMO.
Meh...the first 4 games we played against 2 playoff teams from last year (Pats/Chefs). Next 4 games, 2 playoff teams from last year (GB/SD). Next 4 games, 1 playoff team from last year (Broncos). Last 4 games, 1 playoff team from last year (Pats). And we posted a winning record against playoff teams last year...5-3 IIRC. 1-1 so far, and I'm expecting 3-1 versus 2013 playoff teams by mid-season. Coaching/planning will be tested for sure though...therein lies my caveat.
No way we win that many going forward. I see us losing to both GB, SD, and Broncos, and splitting with Bills and Losing to New England and one Jets game. Were going 7-9 6-10 maybe. I dont think this team is good enough to overcome the schedule.
All gonna depend on which Dolphins team shows up...we certainly don't have the consistency (yet) to be a sure-fire, but I'm a half-full guy.
Who said or assumed this? Harbaugh is as close to a slam dunk as there is and will ever be as an available HC candidate. That's not to say no one else can or will win as HC of this team. IMO, he's the best coach in this league. Even better than Belichick. And if that type of coach becomes available because of personality friction within his current situation, then you go after him.
I don't like the comparison mainly because Johnson got to lead a Cowboy team without the restriction of a salary cap. And that's a huge factor. There's much more parity in today's NFL where there is a much smaller gap in overall talent among teams.
On the flip side, it's ridiculous that many are running with this "he's a bad person" route so I don't want him to be coaching my team. The guy is passionate and goes overboard with his sideline antics. He's not a rapist, wife beater, murderer, or any of the things that would constitute us sucking satan's **** by rooting for.
Jimmy Johnson came to the Dolphins at the end of Marino's career. The team needed to be rebuilt when he got here and he was never able to have great success with an aging QB and an offense that just wasn't as productive as it had been during the Shula years with Marino. Johnson was an excellent judge of talent when it came to selecting defensive talent, but he kind of sucked when it came to selecting offensive talent. I think when he realized that he couldn't come in and turn the Dolphins around like he had done with the Cowboys, he just lost interest in being a head coach any longer. He tried to resign the year before he finally retired from coaching ,but was talked out of it by Huizenga. I don't see any comparison to Harbaugh, except for the fact they both came in as first time NFL head coaches an turned previous losing teams into winners. While Johnson had been away from the game for a season and enjoyed working in television during that time. I think after taking the Dolphins job, Johnson soon realized that he just didn't want to coach anymore and enjoyed working on TV and living in the Keys far more than he enjoyed working as an NFL coach at that point in his life. I don't see Harbaugh wanting to do anything but be a head coach. He comes from a coaching family and he is young enough to be able to enjoy several more years as a head coach. Whether it is with the 49er, another NFL team or even Michigan, I expect Harbaugh to be one of the best head coaches in the game for at least another decade or more. Other than the fact Johnson and Harbaugh enjoyed success as college head coaches and with their first NFL teams. I really don't see any other reason to think their careers will be similar if Harbaugh leaves the 49er's and take another head coaching job in the NFL or even in college.
You believe Hickey will quit if Ross forces Harbaugh on him? Or do you believe Harbaugh won't allow Hickey to be forced on him? Sounds like you're saying you've been told the former
Personally I'm a half and half guy when it comes to the Dolphins. Hence my continued prediction that this is no better than an 8-8 team at this time.
If Ross is serious about going after Harbaugh, neither Hickey or Aponte would have any say in the matter. The only way Harbaugh would even consider the job is if he could name his own GM and depending on how he views Aponte, he might want Ross to get rid of her too. Hickey and Aponte may be here next year, but if they are, that will mean Harbaugh is not the teams HC unless Harbaugh WANTS them both to remain in their positions with the team, which I doubt.
Yes, this is going to be a closed door meeting just between Ross and JH. Now that the AFC East is so damn putrid, we may actually make the play-offs. Will it be fair to fire Philbin after a play-off appearance, even if its a top the worst division in football? I'd say yes, if we go 1 and done. If we actually win a play-off game, then we may have an issue.
Seems Alex Boone has a different take on this whole hate on Jim Harbaugh situation. http://preview.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/niners-guard-on-harbaugh-everybody-loves-him/ar-BB6t9oX
Jom Harbaugh gets his teams motivated and playing with intensity every game of the year. Philbin gets that about 50% of his games. There's no way we lose the KC game if Harbaugh was coaching this team, and we'd have a pretty good shot against Buffalo of we'd played with desire and hunger in the bellies. It's the difference between being perennially 8-8 and being a serious SB contender.
This post is exactly why I started a new thread about it..it's really facinating...not knowing really....I'd like your opinion over there and ask some questions.
From what I understand JJ's demise was linked to his mother's death. When she died he realized he was spending way too much time coaching and life was passing him by so I would agree that JH's age would definitely be a factor in expecting him to be more committed to the job. But what other qualities does JH posses which would allow him to be successful with a second team?
LOL! Nailed it. http://preview.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/niners-guard-on-harbaugh-everybody-loves-him/ar-BB6t9oX[/QUOTE]
Has improved every team he has touched, left them in a better place when he left. Coaching makes a difference in this league. While I dislike the person and the player very much...ABSOLUTELY a no brainer to hire him if he becomes available...unless Joe and this team prove us wrong and make some noise.
One reason I keep cheering all these notes about how bad things are in San Francisco is because the worse it SEEMS, the more likely it is that other potential suitors get scared off by the prospect of having to trade a pick for Harbaugh in addition to paying him a lot of money. Owners that step up to the plate for Harbaugh have to satisfy two conditions, in my opinion: 1. They must be absolutely desperate for a winning coach. 2. They must be desperate specifically for Jim Harbaugh. Steve Ross easily satisfies both conditions. I know people will say everyone is desperate for a winning coach but I'm not so sure. Teams that are looking to hire a new coach are often interested in uncovering the next young guy who becomes the next big thing. They don't pay those guys quite as much money as they would a proven guy that comes in with the reputation for winning. While overtures are made toward Cowher and Gruden every year, not as many as you would think. I think Jeff Fisher had only two suitors as well. The kind of team that is interested in Harbaugh will IMO be the kind of team that would be making overtures toward Cowher, Gruden and Fisher. And Miami is a great example of that. As for being desperate specifically for Jim Harbaugh, that's because of history. It's not JUST the Michigan connection. It's now an ego thing. Steve Ross considers Harbaugh to be "the one that got away". He had a gut feeling to go talk to Harbaugh and he feels like he was proven right for doing that. But he couldn't secure Jim, and the franchise has suffered through four more years of sub-mediocrity as a result. Meanwhile the 49ers until this year had become the envy of the league, yet they were just a 6-10 team before Harbaugh got there. Ross is going to want to prove that his gut on Harbaugh was right, and he's going to want to prove that he's a good owner that will do what it takes to land a big fish. Because of all this, because of how obvious a suitor and how desperate a suitor Miami looks...there's some game theory involved in this. Other teams aren't going to step up to the plate unless they're as gung-ho on the idea as Miami because they know it'll end with a bidding war.
this is key, and I hope you're right, because up until now he's consistently whiffed, chasing the big fish but never willing to make the necessary sacrifices to land them...and boy has it cost him bigtime. let's hope he's learned from his mistakes.
I agree with what you are saying but will Ross be willing to get rid of the current regime for Harbaugh if he doesn't like the FO? Eg: Hickey, Dawn, etc....
I think it's the complete opposite. The 90's Cowboys talent level was well ahead of the rest of the NFL. By a wide margin (save SF and GB). Johnson was exposed when he had to coach a team whose talent level was middle of the pack. The NFL in it's current state is the complete opposite. There aren't these huge gaps in talent between teams. It's why you can finish 1-15 one year and go 11-5 the next. It's happening all too often lately for it to be passed off as an anomaly Point being: The SF roster that Harbaugh took over was, IMO, no more talented than ~ half the league. And he inherited a QB who was widely viewed at as one of the worst in the NFL at that point in time. The guy will win with what's put in front of him. And he will win with this Miami team. I'm almost sure of it.
Alright, I'll give in to the Harbaugh hype. (But I think I still want Malzhan #1) Just know, Board People, if we sign him and he craps out, I will impossible to live with.....
I really don't see any comparison between JJ and Harbaugh, other than the fact they had success in college as a HC and with the first team they coached in the NFL. There have been plenty of head coaches who have had success with the second NFL team they went on to coach. Just to name a few, Parcells, Belichick, Fox, Coughlin, and Carroll. All of these head coaches were with previous NFL teams as head coaches and they all went to on to have success with another NFL team once they were fired or in Parcells case, decided to leave the Giants. None of these coaches seemed to have any less commitment in their second NFL head coaching positions than they did in their previous jobs. In fact Belicheck, Coughlin, and Carroll seemed to be better coaches in jobs they took after their first head coaching experiences. I think Harbaugh would have total commitment to any head coaching position he were to take if he left the 49er's. He loves coaching and if nothing else, he would not want to leave the NFL knowing that his brother has one SB win and he has none. I think JJ walking away from the NFL was just the fact that he wanted more from life than the long hours required to be an NFL head coach. He had a great job with FOX to go back too and he loves living in the Keys and going fishing anytime he wants to. There is absolutely nothing in Harbaugh that has shown he wants to do anything but be a head coach. He has never talked about wanting to go into TV work or do something else with his life. In fact if he does leave the 49er's after this season, I think he will be even more motivated in his next NFL head coaching job to prove that he can be a success with his next team and prove he is one of the top head coaches of his generation. The fact you compare him to JJ and not the coaches who have gone on to have success with their next teams is rather odd to me. I just don't see anything in Harbaugh which leads me to believe he would lose interest in being a head coach anytime in the near future. In fact I can easily see him being a head coach for the next decade or more if he continues to have success.
This doesn't surprise me in the least. I have felt all along that the so called issue with the players and Harbaugh is a front office ploy to get rid of Harbaugh. Harbaugh's issues are with the front office and not with the players on his team, IMO.
nice read about harbaugh on ESPN http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...d-coach-jim-harbaugh-thrives-chaos-difficulty
Listened to Wickersham on the AVP show..m ..he said Harbaugh will probably be in San Fran next season..based on the inside knowledge he has
I think it's about 50-50 Harbaugh stays in SF. Probably 10% chance he ends up in Miami. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
