Indicate your rationale below.
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Yes. We were able to find a CB in free agency that is arguably better than Davis.
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No, we have nothing for depth now. You need 4 or 5 good defensive backs (safeties included) in this league. We have 2.
I would be happy to get a player like Vontae Davis in the second round. So trading him for a second rounder right before the season starts doesn't make any sense. -
Trading him is fine. Getting a 2nd and a late round pick is not. If you're rebuilding a team you keep your better players or trade them for more than what you paid. Otherwise every single season will be a rebuild...
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No, I don't mind the trading of Vontae but we need to get more in return. Our Defense has enough holes we don't need more.
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Totally.
We are a bad team with or without Vontae. Marshall is MORE than an adequate replacement. Getting a 2nd rounder from a team (Colts) who are not winning more than 6 games is a great deal. We are building ammunition for the 2013 draft and/or giving us the assets to make a trade for the biggest need on the club, receiver.
We have to give to get, this is a very smart football move in my opinion.MAFishFan likes this. -
Should be near the start of the second round so I'm fine. Would have liked to see if we could have gotten more, but it is what it is. It gives us maneuverability to possibly move back into the first next year as well.
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I'm cool with it. It will be a high second rounder. Vontae got lazy when the heat was turned up on him. Plenty of depth with Nolan Carroll.
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horrible move imo....don't see how getting rid of our best cb for a second rd pick is to our benefit. SS sucks *** and Marshall hasn't been very impressive to me thus far. Vontae might have been a little down the past year but the dude is a freakishly good player that will always be a top 10 cb in the NFL. Just my opinion but I'm not on board with this trade at all. Another Daniel Thomas or Jonathan Martin is not going to be more valuable than Vontae....this trade sucks
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If you agree with this trade your a straight up koolaid drinker and probably worship irelands
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Yes. Considering how bad our offense will be with these receivers in a passing league, this team isn't going anywhere anyway.
This 2nd rounder should give us three picks in the top 40-45 and 5 in the top 80ish next seasonMAFishFan likes this. -
everyone is saying marshall can replace vontae. OK, say that is true, who is replacing marshall? THAT is the scary thing. I'd almost rather have burnett covering the slot guy than nolan carrol
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I dont like it.... Our safties are terrible. We need all the help from CB's that we can get in the nickle. I felt like we had one of the better groups of CB's in the league.
He was a 1st round pick that had improved and was on the way up, need a change in work ethic in the offseason. We got a 2nd for it.
Hopefully the colts suck this year and we get a high second round pick that we can get some playmakers with. This team just hasn't had playmakers in forever. -
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Im truly scratching my head. Because he was out of shape? Are they trying to prove something? Ill try to remain calm until this all pans out.Xeticus, GMJohnson, jw3102 and 1 other person like this. -
Trading away your nickel corner for a possibly high 2nd round pick. Vontae didn't play up to his 1st round pick and Sean Smith is taking the role of the Alpha DB. I'm all for it, trading Vontae while his value is still relatively high.
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I don't drink the Kool-Aid, I see this team for what it is, rebuilding.steveincolorado likes this. -
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no. we just made our team worse, ruined our depth and havent addressed our wr problem. if we turn that pick or another in another trade for a wr this year i might change my mind but even then we hurt our defense. i dont see the point in hurting us now with the hope of getting better in the future. jeff ireland must go!!!!!
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Yes.
Marshall has out played Davis this year, and you saw the first hard knocks, Davis was not on board with the program. Philbin is showing the team that you either get on board or your gone, and I like that.P h i N s A N i T y, Stringer Bell, TotoreMexico and 6 others like this. -
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Maybe the new GM next year will be more effective selecting players in the second round.MrClean likes this. -
I imagine its simple; if you still believe we can make some waiver wire pickups or trade for a WR and this will be enough to vault us into playoff contention, then its understandable that you will be disappointed with the trade. If however, you think the reality is that we're simply at least a year away from any meaningful contention, then getting what could be an early second rounder for an underachieving player with concentration issues is probably going to make you happy.
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I completely disagree with those that say Marshall is better than Davis. Marshall got burned almost every play against Atlanta, he couldn't keep up with Julio. When Vontae was on him, he was covered. Marshall was also missing tackles.
We pretty much traded Vontae for one of the following players: Pat White, Chad Henne, and even Jon Martin. I hope Ireland isn't around to use this pick.texasPHINSfan, MAFishFan, MrClean and 1 other person like this. -
I bet the 2nd is already earmarked for a trade with a team for a WIde Receiver NOW. I assume that deal was already agreed upon in principle, but Ireland wanted to get a 2nd.
In which case it's a good move.
It also solidifies team culture and expectations of focus, professionalism, hard work and consistency.
If we hang onto the pick all year while missing Vontae it's a stupid deal.GMJohnson likes this. -
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The problem is we have had this scenario multiple times and I have no confidence in selecting the right players or getting productive FA's in here this time ...MrClean likes this. -
I don't see any of these players being a starter on the better teams in the NFL. The best player out of this entire group in probably Smith and he is merely a starter for the Dolphins because their secondary is one of the worst secondaries in the entire NFL.texasPHINSfan and Bumrush like this. -
Our sort of hope is this season gets Ireland fired.Bumrush and Section126 like this.
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