Do You Approve of the Job Stephen Ross Is Doing As An Owner?

Nothing's really changed, so I vote no. I don't like that Philbin is returning in 2015. I have no idea what the **** he sees in him... And I don't really like how/why/when the decision was made.

Even worse, I feel like we missed a huge opportunity with Rex Ryan available (don't even want to get into the Harbaugh situation). Rex's major weakness in NY was QB. We have a young QB who's simultaneously preforming and developing. Ryan took Mark Sanchez to two AFC championship games and Tannehill is better in every way... We have an OC, whom Rex probably could of been convinced to keep, given Lazor's WCO background (NYJ ran WCO under Ryan the majority of his tenure in NY) and performance in 2014. Best offense we've had in forever. And we've got a couple nice pieces on defense (Jones, Grimes, Wake, Suh) to let his imagination run wild. Not to mention potentially saving Dion Jordan's career and getting him on the right track to excel by putting him in his true position, at OLB in a 3-4. The way the whole coaching situation unfolded left a bad taste in my mouth.

On a positive note, I liked the Tannenbaum hire. I like how he rebuilt himself and his brand (sports science) after leaving the NYJ. While he isn't without his faults in his talent evaluation, he has identified some good players. Hopefully he's learned from mistakes, such as bringing in other team's misfits (Holmes, Edwards, etc...) and giving them nice deals, hoping they would reform.

 

Ross is doing what he can, reality is the players on the field are not coming through.

IMHO, Cautious Coach Joe has a lot to do with that failure to perform

December collapses point towards the head coach's office, not the owners. Ross has opened his money bin at every opportunity.

 

I don't think folks truly understand how desperate the stadium situation was for this team and this city...That venue is going to bring so much prestige to the city, and the atmosphere inside should change some dynamics that we have not had in decades..and he did it on his own after the fans and politiians sh^5 right on hm..

He has open pockets..and will go to great lengths to sign who his people think can help this franchise..

he doesn't meddle..

he just signed one of the most dominant football players I've ever seen.

wtf else do you want..

piss off 33 percent..winy asses.

 

He's going to make his money back and then some. Not as altruistic as you're painting him to be. Although I do think the city should have done things differently, rather than forcing him to pay for the Marlin's sins. He doesn't meddle because he doesn't know what he's doing. Every year he's goof'd something up. Including his decision to keep Philbin around. He's also put together one of the most convoluted power structures in the NFL and a number of top qualified GM candidates turned us down. There's only 32 of those jobs and the best of the bunch were running away as fast as they could.

But yes, let's pretend those who voted no are just "whining" without any legitimate gripes about his ownership. Move along, nothing to see here.

P.S. Voting no doesn't mean you hate Ross and think everything he does is bad. It means you don't approve of the overall job he's done. And to think that's unreasonable makes you look ridiculous given the laundry list of issues Miami has had since 2009, regarding his ownership.

 

Ahhhh the offseason...where we as fans fall in love with incompetent leadership all over again.

 

As long as he retains Philbin, I'll vote no.

 

One one hand I love that he is upgrading the stadium with his own money, he is certainly willing to cut a check for players, and he does not seem meddlesome in the day to day operations.
But he has a track record of keeping the wrong personnel in place for too long. He then seems to go through a painful "firing" or "promotion" process. At points with this he looks like a fool.
Basically until Philbin gets the axe, which I see as 2 years overdue, I cannot approve.

 

I voted yes:

He decided to hire Tannenbaum, which so far looks to be a very good move. He is self funding the new stadium, which is a great move. He hired Tom Garfinkle, which to be honest, I think has been awesome. Mr. Garfinkle has been extraordinarily approachable through social media, and keeps fans up to date with photos of the Stadium Construction. Hes been amazing. He said it yesterday in the news conference, if their was no salary cap, hed spend more. He also said on multiple occasions, he wants to win.

Mr. Ross was also a very big reason why we were able to land Ndamukong Suh. Not just because he wrote the check. He is a very well regarded business man, and when Suh consulted with people he considers close, like Warren Buffet, Mr. Ross got glowing reviews.

I dont know the reasons why he chose to keep Coach Philbin in place this year, but I dont believe the choice was made by just him. I believe there is more to the story then what we are being told. For evidence of that, just look how Philbin was kept out of the spotlight at Suhs news conference.

I think its very short sighted to say you dont approve of Ross, because Philbin is the coach, and ignore everything else he has done.

 

You sound as bitter as the guys that back in the day were cheering when Fiedler got injured (when the team was 5-1) because Ray Lucas was going to save the team.

Who do you propose Ross should have brought in as head coach with 10+ coaching vacancies and Harbaugh clearly going back to Michigan? If he fired Philbin, and we wound up with a unproven coordinator, or had to select our 4th or 5th choice, people like you would be screaming from the top of your lungs on how he should have kept Philbin if he didn't have someone else identified on the front end.

Of course, people with biases also discount the good, you know like rebuilding the sh*tty stadium because it doesn't fit the narrative that Ross is all bad.

The guy has improved as an owner and you'd have to be as blind as a bat to not see it. But carry on, maybe you can have a bromance with Orlando Alziguery or all the other people that spew hatred towards this team.

 

Very much agree with this. It's not all bad with Ross. He stays out of the football side of things. Until the point where he is forced to get involved. When he has to fire, hire or retain employees. It's at this critical phase when he proves himself to be painfully not up to the task.

 

I would argue that not firing Philbin was learning from his past mistakes. Yes we got lucky with Hickey, but Hickey was our 4th or 5th choice. With Tannehill having a make it or break it year, Suh in play and an abnormal amount of coaching vacancies, it was prudent for them to retain Philbin. I hate Philbin as much as everyone here but the team did not have many options. Do we land Suh with a rookie head coach that nobody has heard of? Does it make sense to force Tannehill to learn a new system during a year that will determine if he gets a franchise QB worthy contract?

The only thing I am going to question is why Tannenbaum was not brought in early. If he was, they could have had clear options and terminated Philbin.

 

Yes, he is a good owner.

 

Ross' biggest failure is clearly his innability to hire the right people. I'm just crossing my fingers that Philbin was retained for one more year because they feel that next year's market for head coaches will be better, and we'll be able to get a guy whos a long term solution.

 

Honestly, I do not believe that having a different head coach would have effected our "ability" to sign Suh. We offered him the money and he came, I'm not sure there was much more than that. A different head coach may not have wanted to do that. Although I am also not sure how much Philbin had to say either way.

 

i voted yes, but after remembering that philbin is still the coach i would like to change my vote to no.

 

I voted no, but I'm on the fence about it. I think Ross can be a good owner, and I think he genuinely cares about winning games and its not just about money to him. He has given the team the resources to go after a top sports science program, invested in fanvision, stadium upgrades, and I think he's made a sincere attempt to bring back fans (although that didnt really work). Where he has failed is in the GM and HC roles. There have been too many bad decisions made by people he has hired or retained, and he's been slow to right the ship at times, and I think our coaching and GM woes overshadow the good deeds he's done.

 

You have to give Ross an A for effort at least. He really wants to win, he has no problem spending the money. It's only a matter of time that he finally hits after all his misses. Polar opposite from Jeffery Loria. He's not football-savy, but you can't argue that he's trying his best to put a winner together.

 

No.

Mickey Arison is the standard for me. He got Pat Riley to continually build him championship contending teams.
So, the Heat are never far from contending.

Ross should have identified the best GM talent and paid them whatever was required to bring them to Miami.

 

I voted yes... but, I meant 'yes and no'.

I like how his team is handling team promotion. I like how he is generally staying out of football decisions.

I'm skeptical of the structure of the organization as a whole. I think he's undermined his GM and coach, and I'm not sure that's smart.

We'll see if his decisions ultimately pay off with playoff wins.

 

Everyone has to learn. I hate that it is on the job training for Ross. However with that being said, There IMO were some tell tale signs of what the current power structure is and Philbin was not at the table. He was sitting in the front row. They are going to eliminate his excuses of a roster and field a team. I think he has a year to show what he has. If we stay 8-8 with a new roster I think he will be given the opportunity to build on it. If we regress Philbin is gone. It's a ok show me year

It seems like Ross is trying to get it right. The bringing in of Tannenbaum speaks volumns. So for now Ross is trying to effect change. For that he gets neither a thumb up or thumb down. He gets a flat hand, kind of like the team played toward the end of the last couple years

 

I'm warming up to him. I'm excited for the new stadium plans & I'm considering getting season tickets.

 

he inherited one of the most disfuntional toxic franchises in the league at that time..that from office was toxic..so I'm gonna give the guy a break on that.

 

go for it, we need a new type of fan...passionate and knowdegabe.

 

On the one hand, Ross has proven time and time again that he is willing to throw money at players in an effort to improve the franchise. We saw that a few years ago with the Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Wallace deals, and we saw it again yesterday with the Suh signing.

The problem is that winning in March doesn't always translate into winning in January, or even December. For years teams like the Redskins chased after high-priced free agents, only to flame out spectacularly once they actually started playing the games.

It boils down to this: Does Miami have a talent problem, a coaching problem, or both? At this point, I think that we've got a good-on-the-cusp of potentially great QB, a very solid offensive line, good weapons on offense, and a very good defense that just took a huge step forward. I don't think we have a talent problem. I don't think we had a talent problem last year. Which means, therefore, that this franchise has coaching problems. That starts with our head coach. Up to this point I don't think that Joe Philbin has acquitted himself as anything more than a pedestrian coach. His slightly-below-average record of 23-25 is evidence of that.

Unfortunately for Ross, this means that, while I do appreciate what he is doing this week in terms of generating excitement and buzz among the fanbase, I remain dubious, at best, that we will see any significant improvements this fall. This is primarily due to a lack of leadership at the head coach position. Until that is fixed, this franchise will most likely continue our cycle of mediocrity.

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade - if you think that we were one player away from the playoffs, and that player was Suh - great. I love your optimism. I've just been a fan long enough to know how this story usually ends.

 

If Philbin is retained after another 8-8 season, Ross better invest in a lot of orange tarps for the stadium.

 

Ross doesn't get a fair shake from Dolphins fans. He spends money even with all the empty seats on Sundays. Blame the guys that actually make the decisions and blame the players who don't win in December before you blame Ross.

 

BPK, are you storing the data from these polls somewhere? It will be great to plot this after a couple more years of data and watch how the approval rating peaks and valleys coinciding with offseason and regular season.

 

Not sure how accurate of a reflection this is really going to be of the fanbase's perception of Ross the day after we sign the biggest FA player since Reggie White probably.

 

The fact he spends a lot of money in free agency doesn't make him a good owner. Especially when you consider that the team has not had a single season with a winning record since he became majority owner six years ago.

His money has done a great job bringing in the top free agents, but he has done a lousy job in the hiring of head coaches and he stuck with Ireland far too long.

I wasn't happy with the hiring of Hickey as the GM. While he did a decent job in last years draft. The team still finished with the same 8-8 record it did the previous year. I thought there were better GM candidates in 2014, but Ross wasn't able to entice any of them to take the GM job and it was probably because he forced these better candidates to accept Philbin as the HC. Tannebaum left the Jets in cap hell after he was fired as the GM of the Jets. Hopefully he learned from this experience with the Jets, but only time will tell

It is nice that he was finally willing to spend his own money to renovate the stadium. I do believe he wants to bring a winning team to Miami, I'm just not convinced he has what it takes as an NFL owner to build a consistent winner.

I hope he proves me wrong about him as an NFL owner. But all we have heard for the past six years is how he wants to build a team that will be successful for the long run. Six years later all we have seen from this ownership is big splashes in free agency, followed by one mediocre season after another.

Right now I consider him at or near the bottom of all NFL owners. It is all about putting a winning team on the field and Ross has failed to do so at this time.

 

I'm sure Ross struggled at first before he made his billions. THIS is a new venture for him, he's starting to click...

 

Ross was a lot younger when he started out to make his billions in real estate. He will turn 74 years old this year and it isn't like he has a lot of years left to learn how to properly run an NFL team.

Just because someone made a lot of money in one business doesn't mean he can be a successful NFL owner. In fact there have been far more bad owners, in regards to winning programs, over the history of the NFL than there have been good owners.

 

Contradicting yourself there...if it's all about winning, there's SEVERAL teams mired in a worse winning % situation than the Dolphins...so how could he be at the bottom?

 

They are turning over a lot of players. Even with the addition of Suh, we definitely have our work cut out for us. I am assuming the rooster turn is due to money needed to move forward. Would be easy to use as a excuse for not having a stellar season. As JW3101 said in a earlier post Philbin stuck with Ireland way to long. History is repeating itself again and Ross will stick with Philbin. Not sure if Tannenbaum is accelerating the"well these are not my players I asked for" excuse or not but it sure looks like it. Maybe Philbin only gets 1 more year remains to be seen.

 

good post

I see Ross sticking with Philbin even if we have another 8-8 season. Tannenbaum however, appears to be trying to accelerate the put up or shut up season for Philbin. I just hope he learned from his cap mistakes in NYJ, because with that contract to Suh and the fact that 28.6 million dollars are pushed to next year when we have to decide on Tannehill seems short sighted. But for now I will stay quiet because every time I have tried to bring it up I get jumped on.

 

Not really a fan of trifling owners getting involved in signings, but he opened up the checkbook on those renovations, so I'll give him a 6/10.

 

I don't understand why he decided to keep Philbin for another year, other than that he's a good owner who spends major money.

 

This x 2. I think the Tannenbaum/Hickey marriage can work. Where Tann fails as a talent evaluator, he makes up with the analytics and negotiations, and clout throughout the league.

The only point I'd add is COYLE! How is Coyle still here? He and Regis should've been long gone. Ryan, Harbaugh...too many better options that would have us vying for 11+ wins.

 

I said at or near the bottom. The Dolphins have a sub 500 winning percentage over the past six year, with zero winning seasons over that period of time. There are only a few teams in the entire league who have had the same owner for the past six years and had zero winning records over that same time period.

I actually think there are more bad owners than good owners in the NFL. Based on the teams performance on the field the past several years, Ross would certainly have to be seen as one of those bad owners at this time.

 

I said yes with trepidation...He's doing a good job of simply letting the football folks do their thing and writing big checks... I say with trepidation, because we've seen him do some dumb things recently, we all know what those things are, so I hope he just let's Tbaum and Hickey do their things...