Does Pennington fit the Dolphins’ plan?

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ATVZ400ATVZ400New MemberOP
Aug 9, 2008, 10:21 AM

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/09/does_pennington_fit_the_dolphi.html?cxntfid=blogs_inside_the_dolphins

My former colleague, Tim Graham, now of ESPN.com, dug up some interesting numbers on Pennington’s ability to go down field. A 107.7 passer rating on 108 throws of 20 yards or longer doesn’t seem to be a statistical anomaly, but it’ll still be interesting to watch Pennington go deep.

Chad better than Brett on long balls
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-2-47/Chad-better-than-Brett-on-long-balls.html

But take a gander at their stats over the past four years on attempts 20 yards or longer.

Player GS Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD Pct Int Pct Rating
Pennington 40 108 39 36.1 1331 12.3 13 12.0 4 3.7 107.7
Favre 64 290 82 28.3 2963 10.2 32 11.0 35 12.1 66.9
From the Elias Sports Bureau

Pennington didn't go deep as often, but he was much more effective when he did. His amazing passer rating of 107.7 dwarfed Favre's 66.9.

The main reasons for the disparity were Favre's interceptions and Pennington's judiciousness. Only 3.7 percent of Pennington's passes got picked off. Favre's daredevil antics helped inflate his interception rate to 12.1 percent.

mullinganmullinganforum_veteran
Aug 9, 2008, 10:30 AM

Good find and optimistic read. Thanks

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124124New Member
Aug 9, 2008, 10:39 AM

What exactly is a "deep pass"? 20+ yards is a deep pass now? Really? Also, Chad will only throw those when there is no defender in sight so you better hope your receivers are getting 10 yards of seperation or else Chaddy P aint throwing it anywhere near them.

And yes, he does fit the Dolphins plan, at least what their plan SHOULD be.

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AguaAguaforum_veteran
Aug 9, 2008, 10:45 AM

"124 wrote:

Chad will only throw those when there is no defender in sight

That's probably the crux of that seemingly anomolous stat.

Vengeful OdinVengeful Odinforum_veteran
Aug 9, 2008, 10:46 AM

He's a better fit because he's a more accurate passer than McCown, which means he *should* do well with limited opportunities. It does limit our options 20 yards down the field, however.

Eop05Eop05subscriber
Aug 9, 2008, 11:27 AM

I'm not the biggest Chad Pennington supporter but....

If anyone thinks Chad's reluctancy to go will be anything different than what we've seen the past 8 years, then they're mistaken.

Jay Fiedler rarely threw down field even when they let him.
Brian Griese...nope
Ray Lucas...nope
AJ Feeley....nope
Culpepper...not when he was here
Harrington...Definitely nope.

Outside of Gus Frerrote, we've had a bunch of check down super conservative QBs in the past 8 years that would only screw up the few deep/downfield balls they threw.

Chad Pennington's only difference is that when he does throw downfield as the Statistic shows, he's a lot more effective.

Sad to say, but this is the best QB we've had since Marino.

THCMANTHCMANNew Member
Aug 9, 2008, 11:28 AM

"ATVZ400 wrote:

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/miamidolphins/entries/2008/08/09/does_pennington_fit_the_dolphi.html?cxntfid=blogs_inside_the_dolphins

Chad better than Brett on long balls
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/afceast/0-2-47/Chad-better-than-Brett-on-long-balls.html

But take a gander at their stats over the past four years on attempts 20 yards or longer.

Player GS Att Comp Pct Yds Avg TD Pct Int Pct Rating
Pennington 40 108 39 36.1 1331 12.3 13 12.0 4 3.7 107.7
Favre 64 290 82 28.3 2963 10.2 32 11.0 35 12.1 66.9
From the Elias Sports Bureau

Pennington didn't go deep as often, but he was much more effective when he did. His amazing passer rating of 107.7 dwarfed Favre's 66.9.

The main reasons for the disparity were Favre's interceptions and Pennington's judiciousness. Only 3.7 percent of Pennington's passes got picked off. Favre's daredevil antics helped inflate his interception rate to 12.1 percent.

Doode, those stats say more about Santana Moss than they do about Chad...

ALalen1New Member
Aug 9, 2008, 01:35 PM

He certainly fits the plans imo. We are going to be running the ball, likely around 40 times a game. All Chad will be asked to do is to not screw it up, manage the game if you will. If he can manage our games, not turn the ball over then we could be looking at a .500 record.

JajJajNew Member
Aug 9, 2008, 02:11 PM

"THCMAN wrote:

Doode, those stats say more about Santana Moss than they do about Chad...

Oh comon really. Chad has done it with many receivers and our receivers now have no lack of speed especially if we start Hagan and Ginn Jr.

The reason his stats look nice is because he performs the play action pass extremely well and he takes his shots at opportune moments. Whatever ball he does throw down the field is accurate, has nice touch, and has a good arc making it child's play to catch.

It's not a magical anomaly. It's just a factor of his dink and dunk style opening up options 20-30 yards deep when safeties collapse.

Bring this man back into the fold if you want some real leadership on this team.

JajJajNew Member
Aug 9, 2008, 02:36 PM

By the way it's not the arching 30-40 pass that gives Chad trouble. It's the deep out and the intermediate range balls that are difficult for Chad to throw.

If he has to thread the needle, that's where he struggles, not so much the lob bomb down the field.

Bring this man back into the fold if you want some real leadership on this team.

slickj101slickj101forum_veteran
Aug 9, 2008, 02:43 PM

"124 wrote:

What exactly is a "deep pass"? 20+ yards is a deep pass now? Really? Also, Chad will only throw those when there is no defender in sight so you better hope your receivers are getting 10 yards of seperation or else Chaddy P aint throwing it anywhere near them.

And yes, he does fit the Dolphins plan, at least what their plan SHOULD be.

Run
Run
Run
Pass
Run
Run
Pass
Run
Run
Run
Run
Run
Pass
Pass
Run
Run

Thats been the plan since we resigned Ricky. And I think we do have WRs that can get open for those bombs. We'll just have Ginn run straight down the field.

Silence

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BwanaZuliaBwanaZuliaNew Member
Aug 9, 2008, 02:47 PM

Chad is accurate and very very smart! He can manage the game, keep the ball going and is certainly great at the play action pass.

He can get the ball down the field, but usually on a big all out play. He cannot, however, do a quick out 15-20 yard pattern that just zips across the field. It is that throw, that defenders have learned he cannot do, so they sit on the route and usually pick him off.

For that reason they also stack the box and it hurts the running game.

BZ

PhinsRockPhinsRockluxury_box
Aug 9, 2008, 03:21 PM

I have no idea since Bill hasn't called & told me the game plan, yet . . . :lol:

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