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Does signing Jason Taylor make up for not drafting a OLB this year?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by padre31, May 13, 2009.

Does signing JT make up for not drafting a OLB?

Poll closed May 20, 2009.
  1. Yes, JT still has gas in the tank.

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  2. No, we should have went with younger players.

    11 vote(s)
    14.5%
  3. Could be, we'll see

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  4. Don't know

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    3.9%
  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    We've resigned Jason Taylor, one time pass rusher and face of the franchise, does this cover for the fact we did not draft a Outside Linebacker in this past draft?

    What do you expect from JT this season?
     
  2. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    No, Taylor isn't a SLB and he will be used in a situational role. We needed to inject some youth and talent into all 4 LB spots and we didn't do it.
     
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  3. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Nice l2g, that shows character to take that stand.
     
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  4. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Short term yes, long term maybe. The reason I say maybe is that Taylor's presence buys the team until the 2010 draft to address the OLB position. So actually the answer to your question is yes because it does make up for not drafting a OLB in "this year's" draft. It buys the team another year at least so it does address a long term need temporarily.

    As for what I expect I see him being a more situational guy so that the younger players can get time as well. He'll be especially useful on third downs where rushing the passer will be huge especially early in the year as the secondary develops. He probably won't have a monster year statistically but his intangibles impact will be huge.

    Also I just read that he turned down 8.5 million to sign with Washington but took 1.5 to sign in Miami, that's crazy. Anyone saying he's all about the money (at this time at least) have to be crazy. :yes:
     
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  5. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I agree with l2g. But I doubt that it was meant to make up for a lack of youth at the linebacker position. I still think given the signings and such that there was some hesitation to take the linebackers in this years draft.....
     
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  6. sking29

    sking29 What it takes to be cool

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    Plus I think the LB corp is scheduled for a 2010 draft run anyway. When you look at the draft strategy the first year on defense was the line, the second the secondary, and that makes it seem likely that next year the focus will shift to the LB corp. Youth has been injected at other parts of the defense and don't tell me that Parcells and Co. don't know that Porter is older and also the Taylor deal being 1 year should tip people off that they will probably go LB heavy in next year's draft. There seems to be a plan and part of that plan so far has been to get veteran FAs to hold over until the new guys arrive and keep what youth you have.
     
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  7. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    I don't mind taking the unpopular stand if I truly believe in it. :wink2:
     
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  8. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    I agree with sking... Taylor is perfect for this year... Next year we go hard and heavy in the draft for a LB corps...
     
  9. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    can you add an option for "No, but we didn't have to make up for not drafting an OLB"? i would vote for that, only because thats apparently what the FO feels
     
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  10. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, the Patsies have been good for years with older linebackers, a part of that is their stellar defensive line, if one looks at signing JT in that sense, and signing Grove, we've sort of taken a page from the way they do things.

    And we have tons of confidence in our Defensive Line keeping Olinemen off our Linebackers.

    So to me, "yes" Signing JT does make up for not taking a Sintim this draft simply because football is played in the 'now" if they thought JT can help, then there is no reason not to sign him.

    My only quibble is Hartline, if there were a OLB in the 4th round that we wanted, then perhaps we should not have passed on them, but still, JT is Bisquick, add water, he's good to go.
     
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  11. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    I voted yes. People who voted no and believe we should have drafted different than what we did - are you of the belief that guys like Walden, George and Wake have little to no potential?
    IMO the Taylor signing pretty much says the plan is to win now as well as in the future. We have guys on the roster who show promise, but there's no great pressure for them to excel this year.
     
  12. Regan21286

    Regan21286 MCAT's, EMT's, AMCAS, ugh

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    Good enough for now. He's a one-two year stopgap.
     
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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I suspect a few of us that voted no, did so, because we were fine with the draft, we just didn't really want Taylor back. I could be wrong.
     
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  14. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    I couldn't vote because I feel like there should have been another option such as "No they didn't need to make up for it" or "No because they addressed LB by other means"
    I feel confident that they have a definite plan and I feel confident they have addressed it somewhat with the players they signed and they will make it a priority in the next draft. They have a definite plan and are building the Dolphins their way and we all new they couldn't address all the needs in one or two drafts.
    By voting as the poll is worded is to imply that they had to make up for something they did wrong and I don't believe that. They don't need to make up for anything, so my answer is none of the above but that is JMO and its not meant as a slight again'st you Padre31 and I really hope you don't take it that way.
     
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  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    We did have 22 sacks from our starting OLB's, however Joey Porter had a career year and had 5 sacks in one game against the 49ers, without that game the duo would average 9 sacks for 16 games, a below par performance.
     
  16. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    But why? He should significantly upgrade our pass rush. If he doesn't then we'll see more of Roth and Wake and Walden.
    Loyalty issue? Hey he's openly lobbied to come back. According to the articles reporting his resigning, he told his agent that he would sign for whatever $$ fit into their budget. The last athlete that I can recall doing that was John Stockton. It's pretty rare.
    IMO his humbling himself with open lobbying and willingness to sign for "whatever" ought to be looked at as penance paid.
     
  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I've been on the record in the past, I blame JT for a lot of the 1-15 year. In fact, i blame him more than Cameron. I understand I am in the severe minority on that, but it is what it is.

    Yes, he does seem more humbled and he damn well should be. If he rededicates himself, shuts his mouth and plays, I'll be happy about it in the end. We'll see.
     
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  18. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Does signing Jason Taylor make up for not drafting an OLB this year? No. Not by himself that is. However, Joey Porter, Matt Roth, Cameron Wake and Jason Taylor make up for not drafting an OLB this year. Also, take into account that this regime was overly aware of the need for an OLB which is why they courted Taylor. It's not as though they just got to the draft and forgot about that position. We just had other players ranked higher on the board and took who we thought was the best player for us at each position. So I would say, don't pay attention to what we didn't take, pay attention to what we did take. This regime knows how to draft. We're in a good spot. JT just makes that spot a little better.
     
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  19. late again

    late again Senior Member

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    I'm not willing to go so far as to quantify JT's impact to our 1-15 season, but I can agree that most likely he didn't help matters. However, neither did Porter, Thomas, Traylor, etc. And those are only the ones that I read about.
    As to rededicating himself, he's already stated as much. Not to mention that I don't believe for a minute that he would have been resigned if he hadn't pledged to our offseason program. In fact one of the articles stated that he had already started it on his own. That he had been texting with Coach Sparano on a daily basis and fully plans on being a part of all offseason activity. He's supposedly turned down some non football related opportunities in order to do all this.
     
  20. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    He is a Miami bDolphin all the way. I truely expect he will have a different attitude this year. I think we will see because we did sign Wake. We have a few younger guys, just not thru the "draft".
     
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  21. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    A couple of things come to mind concerning JT and his value to us:

    1. He's healthy, that is no small thing, finding healthy Veterans who can contribute from Game 1 is huge, especially this late in the preseason.

    2. JT knows how to drop back into coverages, there is no question about that.

    3. JT, even at 35, can play all over the place on our defense, inside or outside, up or down, he gives us tremendous flexibility.

    4. JT is coming off a season where he was released, Jason Taylor has pride in what he has done in the NFL, he should enter 2009 with a chip on his shoulder.

    5. There is literally no FA we could have signed who could have this much impact on our Defense for the sum of 1.1 million dollars.

    Finally, it's good that when JT hangs up his cleats, and says "it's over, I'm done" he will do so as a Miami Dolphin, in the age of Free Agency, that is no small thing.
     
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  22. bakedmatt

    bakedmatt Well-Known Member

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    We'll find our OLB in next year's draft. There's a lot to choose from.
     
  23. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    (Cameron) Wake up and smell the coffee!
     
  24. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    No,Padre.
    They know what they are doing."WE" don't have a clue.


    I hope JT can perform to the level we are accustomed to.
    7 sacks from him would be a nice contribution.:up:
     
  25. JagsFan3223

    JagsFan3223 New Member

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    Can JT play OLB?
     
  26. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, he won Defensive MVP as an OLB under Saban. ;)
     
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  27. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Do...not....burn...your...JT ...jersey...
     
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  28. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    LOL!!! ;) Nope, I still have it. Pheew! That was a close one. :D
     
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  29. like2god

    like2god Typical white person Luxury Box

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    Wake is a huge question mark, there is a big difference between the NFL and the CFL. Lets not forget that he went undrafted and was cut by the Giants, he has to prove that he can play at a high level before I give him the type of love that some people are shelling out. Even with Wake, we still needed to add youth and talent at LB, we failed to do so.
     
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  30. Coral Reefer

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    As I said in another thread.

    This in the end is IMO going to be mostly a "feel good" move rather than a productive move. I don't expect JT to magically regain his dedication and love for the game simply by coming back to Miami.

    Everything rides on Cam Wake transitioning to the NFL and that's a lot to expect from a CFL'er.

    The Pat White pick rears it's ugly head.
     
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  31. TotoreMexico

    TotoreMexico Your retarded

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    Well considering he won the Defensive MVP while playing OLB, I'm pretty sure he can
     
  32. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    only so many draft picks:yes:
    this is year two of a four year rebuilding project
    we are deep in LB's, 2010 will be another opportunity to add another if we need to bring in more fire power
    however I think NT will be first on the shopping list next time round

    what Jason does is give us a legitimate shot @ winning the AFC Championship again in 2009

    the Triad of Trouble (Taylor, Wake & Porter) will be saying hello to QB's in a big way!
    look for an adaption to the 3-4 to use all three on passing downs:escape2:
    Pass Rush!:up:




    "Deus Americas Benedicat"
     
  33. padre31

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    Well, Wake is no different from any rook we may have drafted, they may have made headlines elsewhere, but step on the field in the NFL and doing it is another matter altogether.

    JT has proven he can do it, granted he is 35 not 27, and he is 100% healthy, not coming off of a ACL or back problems, JT was so talented when younger that even with diminished skills he still can put up numbers for us.

    BTW, the poll is very revealing, the forum is mixed on bringing JT back, which is awesome as half the voters in it are not suffering from "fan euphoria"
     
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  34. Xeticus

    Xeticus Junior Member

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    Next year i think we address the LB corps RB. LB will still be a need and Ronnie and Ricky will be free agents. At the very least we'd have to draft Ronnie's eventual replacement.
     
  35. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Yes, absolutely. I think this is reflected by the trends our front office shows during a draft, and their theory of doubling up. I believe they see true multi lb talent in the 2010 draft. This allowed them the luxury of both doubling up on a major hole this season at cb taking two prototypical cb's for the defense we want to run AND adding a major artillary piece to the wildcat, in Pat White. This organization is playing this like chess, and is already planning two steps ahead of everyone else. I agree, in 2010, when the draft class is considered to be much deeper, you will see them address the LB spot by doubling up where they see value. Its truly definate that every move is part of a plan. How they treated our secondary this season is a perfect example. Their draft board is probably three seasons long....
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