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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Oct 29, 2024.

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  1. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    You should probably go help with dinner.
     
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  2. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    Based on your logic Burrow and Herbert should be replaced. They've both missed as much or more time than Tua before the start of the season. Our biggest issue at QB isn't Tua it's the lack of a competent backup.
     
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  3. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Oh I don't know, let's start with Allen having a lower rating than his season average, against our bad defense.

    Let's just start there.

    You are truly incapable of saying anything critical of the team, aren't you? Or, is it that you are just going to argue anything I say, no matter what?
     
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  4. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    And you probably believe the "felonies" lie too.
    Pump just used your words of derision for us, he wasn't actually saying he's a troll. So freaking stupid.

    Just another example of how you guys like to twist and gaslight.
     
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  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yes, where is that saying that the offense is to blame? Do you deny that those things happened?

    Again, THE ****ING POINT is that the offense IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH to overcome bad defense. They just aren't.

    You can keep arguing the opposite, but it's pointless. We aren't making things up.

    You guys have lost your minds
     
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  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Seriously. Tua has great skills. But he physically cannot do what Allen does. It's so stupid to continue to compare them.
     
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  7. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    Tua went toe to toe yesterday with the Great Josh Allen. I think it's perfectly OK to compare them. They both have strengths and weaknesses so let's stop putting the #1 leader in turnovers the last five seasons on such a high pedestal. He's having an unusually good season protecting the ball.
     
  8. cbrad

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    Wow.. just so everyone can see how incapable you are at understanding simple English. StaleTacos said:
    To which you said about that quote:
    lol StaleTacos explicitly talked about a "Tua led offense" and you say it has nothing to do with Tua. Just stupid.
     
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  9. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    or, the defense kinda sucks
     
  10. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    That’s blaming to offense. You SHOULD be saying the DEFENSE isn’t good enough to beat a good offense, but by doing that, it shifts the argument away from Tua
     
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  11. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    defense does suck. I blame, Baker, AVG, and Wilkins for not making any plays for us all year long.
     
  12. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    you really putting that on Allen?
     
  13. Tuanon4Life

    Tuanon4Life Well-Known Member

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    You're not?
     
  14. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    yep! not sure why he does that when the defense is bunched in like that. overall his play calling was much better though.
     
  15. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    Would love for them to just cut him. Make a statement.
     
  16. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    not when it hits the receiver in the hands and the chest and he does not catch it, he catches it like he should it is probably a TD.
     
  17. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    So where are we at now in the TDS stages? Tua is a good quarterback but can't carry a bad defense?
     
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  18. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    gotta draft the best player available.
     
  19. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Yes, because they turned him into a game manager half way through the season last year when they switched offensive coordinators and realized *hero ball" doesn't work.

     
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  20. RGF

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    It's quite telling when certain know-it-all geniuses don't have the reasonable nuts to admit Tua is one of the better QB's in this league. They throw shots/insults his way when he makes a bad throw or has a bad game, but when he plays on a great level the most these haters will say is " he has some talent ".
    I never claimed to be a Tua homer and I criticized some of his decisions in the past but I'd be kidding myself if I said he's still just an average NFL QB.
    He's a great QB that's approaching elite status.
     
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  21. JJ_79

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    TPC is a bigger thing on this site, lol!
     
  22. StaleTacos

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    No. He cannot. Buffalo has many options offensively. Allen can do it all. Dolphins right now with Tua's concussion and physical limitations are very confined with the type of offense they can run.
     
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  23. Etrius24

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    Do we get extra special double secret bonus points for losing by one score? No? Oh, so then you are saying all losses are equal in the standings... Got it.
     
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  24. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    I’ll break this down for you in simple terms in case you rode the short bus to school.

    Playing a team that’s deemed a premier team in the league…

    You build up your team to try and compete against them…you with me so far?

    If you win, awesome!! It worked!!

    If you don’t win..

    Did you get your a$$ whipped like a red headed step child fed with a sling shot while sitting in the corner?

    Or

    Were you ALMOST there?

    The difference in the two types of losses. One says you need a complete flipping rebuild because you just plain SUCK…the other says “what went wrong and address that”.

    Simple enough or do I need to re-load the sling shot?
     
  25. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    How does your extra special loss equate to the standings and the playoffs?

    I mean I am glad you feel extra special and good about yourself.... Congrats, truly.

    Explain to me how this loss gets us to the playoffs, because you know we only lost by one field goal.
     
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  26. The_Dark_Knight

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    Jordan Poyer needs to be inducted into the Bills Ring of Honor right now.

    Not only did his play result in the Bills being out into the position of being able to kick that game winning field goal, he is directly responsible for taking out Jaylen Phillips for the year, remember?

    Mike McDaniel should have Poyer after the game to just stay up there in Buffalo.
     
  27. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    You know, if I have to break down building long term success to you, you wouldn’t understand it so I’m not going to waste my time.
     
  28. Etrius24

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    OMG I almost laughed myself to the point of urination.

    Long term success? hahahahahahahahaha

    25 years no playoff wins
    Grier has been here for 20 of them

    McDaniel is a .500 head coach.... almost three years in 22-20...

    There is no such thing as long term success in Miami...

    And it is not like we are on the cusp of it.

    The bills are a good football team.. But the Cardinals are not...

    Using your logic of the almost.... We almost lost to the Jags... and we almost lost to the Patriots.

    Both of those teams are 2 and 7... Garbage.

    So what the .... does that make us?

    I love the double standard.

    Go back to week one against the Jags and show me where you were posting that the win does not really count like a regular victory because they almost beat us? LMAO

    No when you were not in 24 hour a day blindly defend everything Dolphins mode.... When the season was new... Winning by a field goal was a win and everything was right with the world.

    You cannot have it both ways.

    What kind of winning legacy are we building when the only 2 teams we can beat are tied with the worst record in football?
     
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  29. pumpdogs

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    These people are truly Idiots!
    Like Dan accusing me of blaming the offence for the loss.I was like u serious where the **** did I write that?
    Exactly why this site sucks anymore!
     
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  30. resnor

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    Ok great.

    Tua is far more dependent on surroundings than Allen, regarding how he can impact the game.
     
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  31. StaleTacos

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    It's really not that simple. You don't make decisions based on one game. They got blown out against Buffalo September 12th. Is it rebuild time? The competed against Buffalo on Sunday? So you don't rebuild? The Ravens murdered Buffalo? Should Buffalo rebuild?

    It's meaningless stuff and doesn't change long term larger sample decisions.
     
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  32. cbrad

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    Larger sample (i.e., since McD got here) suggests Tua and the offense are not the problem (except the need for a good backup QB) and defense is the primary problem. The claim Tua can't play well against good teams is fading. Playoffs he still hasn't done well at but that's very small sample size.
     
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  34. StaleTacos

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    Very delusional. One game doesn't change a very large sample of being bad against playoff teams. They let him have the underneath, both running and passes. Their gameplan worked and Buffalo won. I know Tua's passer rating gets you all jazzed up, but they took away the offense that you think's elite. Every team has been. That offense is now GONE, and you'll be very limited in the offense you can run with a QB so fragile and physically limiting.

    EDIT: Also Buffalo's line and ability to generate pressure which is what Tua struggles against is NOT good. They got 1 sack on the botched snap. 0 QB hits. 1 pressure (botched snap sack). 0 hurries.
     
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  35. pumpdogs

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    This team was ****ed once Chubb got hurt end of December and then losing Van ginkel,Wilkins,and then losing Phillips again.
    Hard to beat good QBs with no pss rush and this will continue rest of season.
    Imagine if we had all the above players plus Cambell where this defence would be right now.
     
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  36. StaleTacos

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    Tua's intended air yards per attempt against Buffalo was a paltry 4.9 yards. Lowest on the season for him, and below his seasonal average of 5.8 yards. WELL below his 2023 figure of 7.7 yards.

    So again, forget that "elite" offense. It's gone. Team's have adjusted. The offense is to take everything underneath, get the ball out quickly, and keep Tua healthy.
     
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  37. StaleTacos

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    I actually was curious to see where Tua's 4.9 yards per air yards would rank on the season.

    Funny enough, Tua's 5.8 attempted air yards seasonal average is the LOWEST among ALL qualified QBs.

    ...so again...forget the offense you once knew and thought was elite. It's DEAD. Team's adjusted.
     
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  38. Etrius24

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    That is what happens when teams figure out how to cover Hill and Waddle... Tua becomes a game manager....
     
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  39. cbrad

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    It's not just one game. It's clear the strength of that argument is slowly receding. Either way, stats suggest offense isn't the issue. Most important stat is points scored and we're fairly high on that since McD has been here.

    The fact Tua did so well when they took away the big passing play shows the ability to adapt. That's very important. It means you can't just take away Hill and Waddle and shut down the offense. This was only one game, yes, but it suggests McD is capable of adapting to defenses. It was a very important game. We'll see how the offense does the rest of the season.
     
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  40. TheHighExhaulted

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    They scored 27 points on the road against a defense giving up 16 points per game. I don't care if all three touchdowns weren't 80 yard passes. The gameplan was great and the bottom line is Tua has left the field the last two weeks with either the lead or a tie and never got the ball back.
     
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