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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Finatik, Oct 29, 2024.

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  1. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Yes, of course Chubb is the missing link now when all you did was **** on the acquisition for two years. Very convenient now.
     
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  2. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    You keep ignoring though the point teams have adjusted to McDaniel's defense since he's got here. Teams aren't playing Dolphins the same. The league adjusted. He's taking things underneath? Wonderful. The larger point of importance is the elite deep passing attack that led offensive categories is now dead. You can still be competitive, but this isn't the top offense that's expected with the weapons you have.
     
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  3. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    What's your point? Allen's average depth of target yesterday was 3 yards. The difference is the defense missed three tackles on a dump off to a backup running back and gave up a 63 yard touchdown.
     
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  4. cbrad

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    No, what I'm saying is that if we can produce like we did on Sunday when they do take away the explosive play, this will still be an elite offense. We got 27 points on offense with Tua having a 124.9 rating. Question is whether this was an anomaly or not. We've seen our running game falter in the past when teams took away the explosive play. We've seen short passes go nowhere. Not in that Buffalo game. That's why that game was so important. If we keep seeing this work, then yes our offense will still be elite.
     
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  5. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    The point was in the post. You just ignored it. The elite deep attacking offense is gone.

    Again, stop comparing Allen to Tua. Allen can do anything asked on a field. He can adjust any way. Tua has multiple physical limitations. He can't adjust in those same ways.

    PS: Allen on the season has a IAY/PA of 7.8 vs Tua's 5.8.
     
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  6. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    If that's what they give you that's what you take. On the one where Buffalo got confused, he read it and threw it deep to Hill. When you play cover 2 the whole game you have to run the ball and hit the underneath and look for YAC, So to cheery pick air yards is just you being you.
     
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  7. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    What the F does that even mean? When they play cover 2 he hit who was open underneath, ran the ball great and and they scored on every possession except the fumble. If that's being a game manager sign me up.
     
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  8. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    But just for the record... you understand we lost those games and the season is over, right?
     
  9. TheHighExhaulted

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    An elite offense is only 70 yard touchdown passes now. Another amazing Tua standard for an offense.

    At least they're admitting now that Tua is an elite passer.
     
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  10. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I guess you can stop posting then.
     
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  11. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    If they go 10-6 then a wild card would still be possible.
     
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  12. StaleTacos

    StaleTacos Well-Known Member

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    You aren't likely going to get 5.4 yards per rushing attempt. That's the anomaly. Bad rushing defense/line. You also lost two games in a row scoring 27 points. Tua's seasonal average is 21 points. This offense hasn't been elite with Tua. You are on a hope train right now, but the stats and transformation/regression in the pass game paint a different picture.
     
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  13. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    Tua played well... but he was a game manager... 40% of his passes were dump offs to the running back... Someone else looked up the stat... He was averaging 4 yards a throw or something terrible.

    So while he did not turn the ball over and completed most of his passes... It was ultimate dink and dunk.

    Opposing teams will take that against all of the weapons we have here on offence. Where we have to be perfect just to stay in the game... where we have to march the full length of the field... with our QB handing it off and throwing for 4 yards per throw... Where Hill and Waddle are not really a factor.

    Tua throws for 200 yards... mostly to running backs... That is the definition of game manager. When you aree throwing the ball only 4 yards to the Running back you are going to complete almost all of your throws. Game manager.

    Against a lesser team that might work...

    We are not beating the Ravens or the Chiefs with Tua as a dink and dunk game manager.
     
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  14. Etrius24

    Etrius24 Well-Known Member

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    So you are saying that the Dolphins are going to go 8-1 to finish out the season so they have a shot at the last wild card spot?

    If so... Please let's make a bet.
     
  15. cbrad

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    We don't yet have many stats on this yet — how good (or bad) our offense is after the explosive plays are taken away. Like I said, let's see what happens.
     
  16. Etrius24

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    What, and miss all of the delusional conversation about how there is still so many reasons to still believe and have hope in this team? LMAO..

    Not a chance.... All of the layers of this... The tragic way it will end.... It is almost as good as reeading Dostoevsky
     
  17. TheHighExhaulted

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    Tua's passing yards yesterday keep changing in all of your posts. 210, 213, 200. He threw for 231 yards yesterday and had a -24 yard pass play on the last one because Waddle tried to score a touchdown in our own end zone. So, he was over 250.
     
  18. Vertical Limit

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    Honestly he, holland, phillips and seiler being available would have likely made the difference… 4 players in key roles of our defense..

    seiler is usually available and reliable.. the other 3, are huge question marks as far as their future goes..
     
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  19. StaleTacos

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    Funny enough that should have been a TD to Hill but Tua underthrew him. Instead they only got the field goal on that drive, 3 instead of 7, and lost the game by 3.

    Using his seasonal air yards per attempt and the game's air yards per attempt isn't cherrypicking. Using a single throw as you just did IS actually cherrypicking.
     
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  20. Tuanon4Life

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    He'll be here telling us what kind of Christmas cookies he's baking. There's all kinds of things to talk about when the season's over so soon.
     
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  21. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    231 yards on 25 completions - he averaged 9.0 yards per completion. 12 throws to non RB and 10 throws to RB's. With some of those designed throws to Achane. WTF are you talking about? Do you even watch the games?
     
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  22. TheHighExhaulted

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    That's debatable. There was a safety lurking. It would have had to have been a perfect pass. If he throws it further and more off the sideline the safety has a chance.
     
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  23. dolphin25

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    I do like the fact that running the ball has been very good. Now we need to see what coach can do with that threat. 27 points 2 weeks in a row is not shabby
     
  24. StaleTacos

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    Not debatable. The ball drops soon after this image.

    He had an ocean of a window without the safety:
     
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  25. dolphin25

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    Did Poyer poke Sieler in the eye?
     
  26. JJ_79

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    From what I heard there was something fishy about the Sieler injury. Media thought it was Eichenberg but he declined, so it wasn’t him. If it was Poyer, that signing of his would be even more giving..
     
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  27. Etrius24

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    Someone looked up the distance the ball was thrown not the yards per completion... He was just dumping it off...
     
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  28. TheHighExhaulted

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    A screenshot can be deceiving as you don't know how fast Hamlin was closing.

    Here is the play in real time:



    Again it would have had to have been a perfect throw, if there is more air and towards the hash more Hamlin can make a play on the ball as he was closing fast.
     
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  29. Etrius24

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    .. except that does not count... So no he did not
     
  30. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    But remember, it’s not the defense, ok? Tua and the offense just isn’t good enough. :pity:
     
  31. TheHighExhaulted

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    It still doesn't change the fact that you either don't know how to read, write or are just intentionally giving wrong stats to be a moron and a troll.
     
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  32. The_Dark_Knight

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    So “elite” offense consists of deep passes, huh? Somebody better tell that to Mahomes.
     
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  33. Tuanon4Life

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    One of the announcers said it could have been a TD if it was thrown deeper. That's what some are clinging to here for sure. "But the announcers said". I stopped taking announcers seriously a long time ago. I've heard Tony Romo for example gush and call a Josh Allen int a beautiful throw and wonder if I’m losing my hearing.
     
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  34. TheHighExhaulted

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    It's a shame because Tua was money on that game tying drive late finished off by this beautiful touchdown pass. Composed and clutch.



    Achane for 3.
    Tua to Hill for 19.
    Wright for 3.
    Tua to Achane for 9.
    Wright for 3.
    Incomplete.
    Tua to Waddle for 12.
    Achane for 0.
    Tua to Achane for 18.
    Achane for -2.
    Tua to Waddle for 7.

    Also a beautiful play on this drive was the Tua pass to Achane. Goes through the progressions and hits Achane in stride on the wheel. Perfect pass.

     
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  35. StaleTacos

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    It's really not deceiving. This is actually a perfect example of how Tua's arm strength hurts the team. Tua threw a lofty floating ball that died allowing Hamlin to be somewhat close.

    You can see the gap in my screenshot. The ball was coming down in the air in my screenshot. Even if you watch the breakdown of the clip, you can see how far Hamlin is when the ball is out of Tua's hands. The loft of the ball allowed the safety to come over (and I would argue there was still room). Two QBs can both throw 35 yards, but how much loft the QB needs is arm strength related.
     
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  36. pumpdogs

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    Where in the last 2 week's did I blame the offence?
     
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  37. Two Tacos

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    "If" is not a statement of confidence. Weird response.
     
  38. Finatik

    Finatik Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    So if the correct read is to throw it 4 yards to a guy who's open by 10 yards, the only stat you should look at it the air target yards? Even thought you know that play is going to net at least 8 yards or more if he breaks a tackle.

    How does that work on a screen pass where the design is 2 yards but you get so much more (or less)? Which a couple were thrown.

    Or the swing pass where you might throw it one yard to the side and gain 10 or 15? Which is what happened in the game.

    What you're saying doesn't make remotely any sense. And some guy posted it in the forum isn't actual proof (I read it on the internet so it must be true). Do some research or how about maybe actually understand the basics of football and offensive play calling before you start labeling anything, anything.
     
  39. Finatik

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    What are you talking about??? Don't you know he only throws to one spot and doesn't read progressions. LOL
     
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  40. pumpdogs

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    I did say it was a dumb trade and still believe so.
    He was another injury prone player but at least he was productive when he played
    And I also said he won't be back until.late in 2024 season in the offseason and it will be hard to count on a guy coming off Achilles injury and a rookie who had no.production in college.
    So how did it all.work.out?
     
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