Dolphins claim McNutt

I don't think it was speed and explosion that was the problem with Bess. I think it was more along the line of having a receiver that could be better on the outside than Bess. Bess is a great slot receiver and a below average outside receiver. I think the Dolphins would rather have a decent outside receiver and a decent slot receiver, since having Bess lowers the amount of things they can do with their offense.

 

Sorry, I didn't realize the person asking the question wanted to know if he was EVER on our practice squad. Silly me for thinking he was referring to a time range that actually makes sense.

 

Bess is a great slot receiver? Seriously? Did Jeff Ireland forget to take his meds before trading him for what, a swapped 4th, 5th received and a 7th given up? That is not exactly the royal haul one would expect in exchange for a "great" player. Bess is a slot specialist, and I have no problem with that. He just wasn't good enough. Wallace can play outside. Hartline can play outside. Matthews can play outside. If Bess was good enough, he would have fit in nicely as a slot specialist. He isn't. I'm not surprised that the Dolphins were salivating over the thought of Tavon Austin replacing Bess in the slot. What I am surprised at is that the Dolphins dumped Bess, made imo pretty much a horizontal move in acquiring Gibson and then failed to draft a quality WR in a draft with plenty of them. Add Quinton Patton to the list of WRs that I wish we would have gotten at least one of.

We dropped mega bucks on Mike Wallace and Gibson, and look at the Bills- for a fraction of that they added Chris Hogan, Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin and got a freebie and imo a steal in Da'Rick Rogers. Not bad.

 

No problem. You're both wrong and forgiven.

 

You mentioned Chris Hogan? In pads, that guy was terrible.

I do think Bess is a great slot receiver. He gets opens and converts 1st downs. I didn't say he was a great overall player. I think Thigpen is a great kick returner, however I don't think he is a great overall player.

I don't think Gibson is a horizontal move. Gibson is an improvement in overall receiver. Gibson was great at converting 1st downs and touchdowns. He can play the outside and has the ability to play the slot.

Also there is a good chance that Robert Woods, Marquise Goodwin AND Da'Rick Rogers do nothing this season, even if they turn out to be good picks.

 

You might say

*puts on sunglasses*

Jeff Ireland busted a Nutt.


[video=youtube;6YMPAH67f4o]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMPAH67f4o[/video]

 

Hogan was good enough as a WR with a limited football background to make our PS and the Bills regualr season roster.

We need an explosive slot WR now. We needed an explosive slot WR when Bess was on the roster. Bess was traded for next to nothing. And he's "great"? Hardly. He's competent- what he isn't is a receiver who provides explosion and synergy to the offense, and imo that's still the case with Gibson on board. Horizontal move.

 

Obviously you misunderstood what I said. You should go back and re-read it.

 

Chris Hogan was cut from our practice squad twice and he didn't play in one game for the Bills. Roborto Wallace has been a more successful receiver than Chris Hogan, and I highly doubt you would think he was an upgrade for the Bills.

Do we? That is your opinion that is not based on fact. Explosive slot reciever isn't much of a need. It is like having a runningback that runs a 4.4 forty. An explosive slot receiver is a nice to have. Bess was a great slot receiver. He helped move the chains on a consistant basis from that position.

However I do not agree that it is a horizontal move. It is a change to a different direction. Bess was not in Miami's plans so they replaced him with a receiver that does. In terms of talent and production without considering the offense might be horizontal, however when it comes to the offense, it is an upgrade.

 

Obviously you weren't clear. You should re-write what you said so it is easy for people to understand.

 

Nope. Pretty sure I was clear. The Dolphins have a 1 and 2 and the rest of the guys are bubble talent. Pretty sure people are just looking for reasons to hate an opinion that doesn't rhyme with "everyone on Miami is awesome and they're going to win the Super Bowl".

 

Nope, you weren't. I have no reason to hate your opinion and I thought you meant the same thing GridIron thought.

What exactly do you mean when you say, "Bubble talent"? Doe you mean that he might be cut?

 

I think that if you post thinking that's the rebuttal you'll get, then there is a real problem...and it may not be everyone else.

 

Did I say he might be cut? No.

I said he's roster bubble talent. That's pretty self-explanatory.

 

Of course there is. Why on god's earth would I assume that the Miami Dolphins share my exact opinion on the talent level of every single player?

 

I guess not because I think roster bubble talent means he is in danger of being cut.

 

By me? Or by the team?

Are you naive enough to think that I believe my own opinions on players are some universal truth shared by myself and every team in the NFL to where what I think about a player is some universally agreed upon (by the 32 NFL teams) truth?

 

Let's call this for what it is. It was an "Ermagahd you said something the team obviously disagrees with so you're being ridiculous and I'm throwing tomatoes at you!" response to an honest opinion.

 

By the team.

No, I am naive enough to think that you would use English in a way that would convey your idea to the point where average people will understand what you are trying to say.

The term roster bubble in all terminology I have read means, "In danger of being cut." When a player is on the roster bubble, they may or may not be cut. Roster bubble talent, would be a player who has the talent to may or may not be cut.

 

Are you sure it isn't. "ERMAGAD, why did you question my english! I am always right and can never make a mistake."

 

Or just stubborn enough to stay entrenched in a ludicrous position even though I very clearly clarified what I meant in the following two posts:

http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...claim-McNutt&p=2073637&viewfull=1#post2073637
http://www.thephins.com/forums/show...claim-McNutt&p=2073639&viewfull=1#post2073639

 

Are you still arguing?

What's the point here again? I've clarified exactly what I meant, what...about 6 times?

Keep talking. Very constructive.

 

The fact that you had to clarify shows you weren't clear.

 

I did miss those posts. You could have started there instead of going insulting.

 

No. They thought you literally meant he's in danger of being cut.

 

I didn't have to. I did so as a courtesy to those who should have known what I meant to begin with.

 

Now who is being stubborn?

 

Specifically? Yourself, and GridIronKing. Because even AFTER I clarified, GIK came back with this gem of a response:

Which you Thanked.

Which is kind of odd that you now claim you didn't see the post that GridIronKing quoted in the post that you Thanked. Weird.

 

I'm done. Way too much time spent defending myself from accusations by people nit picking as if they think they're going to win the internet today.

 

Dol-Fan Dupree for the win.

 

I totally ONWZ CK EPIC FAIL got PWND!

 

I'll keep this short, because you lost me with the "Explosive slot receiver isn't much of a need" comment.

Hogan is 6-2, 220 lbs, one of the strongest WRs in recent memory, fast, and exceedingly quick with moves that are accentuated by his extensive lacrosse background. I would take him over Roberto Wallace in a second and, of course, time will tell if Hogan makes it or not- I simply like his potential and the escapability that he demonstrated- I would have kept him.

As to Bess- if explosion out of the slot postition wasn't important, Bess would be golden, still a Dolphin and a hot commodity- he's 0 for 3 there and was traded away for a pittance. Tavon Austin is small but extremely explosive and the Rams traded up to #8 to get him and the Dolphins were salivating oveer him, only Jordan they liked better iirc. Slot receiver, extremely explosive and a trade up to #8 to get him- coinkidinky? I think not. If explosion wasn't an important quality in a slot WR Bess would still be a Dolphin- imo that was the deciding factor, not if he could function at a high level out wide. He's a slot specialist, he just wasn't good enough.

 

You can be a great team without an explosive slot receiver. It is a nice to have, but not exactly needed to be a great team.

Say all you will about Hogan, right now Roberto Wallace is a more accomplished receiver. His strength didn't show on the field. Once pads came on he was terrible. Very easy to bump off his routes, couldn't catch the ball if there was any contention and couldn't get open. Without pads he showed good potential. Once the pads were put on he showed he was worse than Roberto Wallace. He might improve, however he was no better than Julius Pruitt and much worse than Jeff Fuller.

Tavon Austin is special. However not every team needs a Tavon Austin to be exceptional. The best slot receiver in the game right now got signed to a contract that wasn't for much money.

 

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