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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Disgustipate, Nov 4, 2012.

  1. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That was a really awful game from a refereeing standpoint. In all the years of the Dolphins dominant edge rushing performance going back a long time I don't think I've seen more uncalled holding penalties than the Colts got away with this year. The Dolphins have been getting ****ed over pretty bad just statistically in terms of calls going against them this year, and this week was the worst.

    Ryan Tannehill had a good game, and I think it was pretty clear there wasn't a lot of injury issue. He had a pretty good game, but the three incompletions on the last drive were killer. He made a nice play on the last one that could have made up for it, but alas.

    It's a ****ty thing to act like I'm gloating about, but the Dolphins coaching staff has started accommodating for the vision issues that Reggie Bush has had. Probably 85% of the run plays this week were man-blocking plays, where Reggie Bush had an assigned hole to hit, rather than zone blocking plays where he has an aiming point and is expected to find cutback lanes. This is a pretty big departure from the past.

    Nice to see what looked like a flash of the old Charles Clay. It's been lost in his struggles, but he's become a pretty good blocker for a guy his size. He at one point hit and stopped I believe Cory Redding who was unblocked at the line.

    The wide receiver had a pretty good game. Nice to see Hartline back after a lull, but nothing game breaking. Jabar Gaffney has dropped like 2-3 potential big plays since he's got here.

    Jake Long had probably as bad a game as he's had vs. the Dolphins. The Falcons game a couple years back wasn't as bad as people claim, and the Bears game in 2010 he had dislocated his left shoulder the week before and was playing Julius Peppers. This was a bad game vs. a Dwight Freeney who hasn't been particularly good this year.

    The people crying that he should be let to walk in free agency are still ridiculous, though.

    It was an intensely frustrating game defensively. Tackling was pretty atrocious at times.

    The defensive line I think did better in terms of pressure than it looks, but between Andrew Luck playing very well and the amount of uncalled holding I think it's not really reflected on the stat sheet.

    It seemed like Jason Trusnik got a lot of snaps this week, and I'm not sure why. It seemed almost like he was rotating in with various players. I know Kevin Burnett went down, but they've been kind of weird with who goes in... It's been Spitler, Trusnik, and Freeny all everytime someone gets hurt.

    Koa Misi in man coverage down the field against a tight end is a gamble, but man did he get ****ed over on that pass interference call. He didn't turn his head around, but the contact was nearly non-existent.

    That was a nightmare game from the defensive backfield. 6 plays of 3rd and 10+ converted is really asinine. They also left potential interceptions on the field that could have really made the difference.

    Olivier Vernon is the best special teams blocker/coverage guy in the league right now. (Waiting for someone to say it's because he can't play DE)
     
  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I said all week that Luck is phenomonal in the pocket, I said his ability to manipulate the pocket is special, and if we can "contain"him, we would win, well, we could not contain this man,He beat the sh&$ out if us with his skillset, and we lost..plain and simple, he's that good, and if we wanna win the afc one year, were gonna have to out score him...

    3 points in the 2nd half by our offense was ridiculous..

    We need a traditional down hill runner, which Reggie and Ronnie have not been...Barner from Oregon. seems about right.
     
  3. PhinishLine

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    Thought I was the only person losing his mind over the blatant holds not being called. But they called the hold that didn't exist on Thigpens return in the 4th..

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  4. RoninFin4

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    I don't think Kenjon Barner is what it'd describe as a downhill runner in terms of the NFL. More like an Eddie Lacy or Le'Veon Bell.
     
  5. padre31

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    To me the Offense did what is has been doing all year, mildly productive, nothing spectacular.

    D was really disappointing, that was possibly the worst game from our defensive secondary I've seen since the Marino era or 07, SS24 will have nightmares about it.

    I thought the phantom hold on the Thigpen return was atrocious.
     
  6. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    Unfortunately Long was also beaten by guys other than Freeney.

    I said it weeks ago and I maintain it. Whether he's hurt or simply isn't what he used to be, Long is not playing like an elite left tackle anymore. It's been two years now.

    Jeff Ireland may pay him what he's seeking, but he's not worth it right now IMO. Frankly I will be disappointed if we do.

    The defense was just flabbergasting today. After facing some lackluster QBs, they got exposed to a degree. But this was on another level. Really tough to watch that performance today.

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  7. mnfinfan

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    Yeah that was terrible. There was no way we should have had less than 10 points 2nd half. The defense was shown up by a great QB (albeit a rook) but I thought there was no way they were going to stop us from scoring either and we would hit 27 points.
     
  8. Muck

    Muck Throwback Uniform Crusader Retired Administrator

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    I've come to the conclusion that I really don't know what holding is. Because I *think* I see it a lot on Wake yet it rarely gets called.

    I wanted the side judge's mic to be on when Rizzi was arguing that bull**** call.

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  9. shouright

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    The problem I have with today's game is that when you're trying to get over the hump and win as a favored team on the road in the NFL, which isn't easy to do, you need stud performances from your leaders to set the tone for the team and lead the other players by example.

    In the midst of that we got very subpar performances from both Jake Long and Sean Smith, who are guys you need to have step up in that situation. Two of the players who could've (and should've) helped this team get over this hump it's sitting on didn't show up.
     
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  10. The G Man

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    Sean Smith sucks. There, I said it.

    Aside from that, we failed to put enough pressure on Luck. He's everything he was advertised. But, when you give any QB that kind of protection they're going to find the open man and make plays.
     
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  11. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're pretty crazy if you think Smith sucks. He didn't have a good game this week but he's been having a good year.
     
  12. Ludacris

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    Long and Smith probably had their worst games of their careers. We expected more than that.

    If the refs don't call holding on the Colts OL, Luck has all day to throw making the secondary look like the crap they displayed.

    I'm with everyone on this. It was a disappointing loss.
     
  13. NyPhinfan

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    Overall a "bad" game all around...our secondary...our pass rush...the referees......but I would be remiss if I did not mention the God-awful job CBS Sid with the telecast! They missed by my count 4 snaps! 4! funny me but I thought their job was to televise the game...made a frustrating day that much worse!
     
  14. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    I think he plays soft. He definitely doesn't play like a 6'3" corner.
     
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  15. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    In years past, yes. He's been a very reliable tackler so far this year.
     
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  16. djphinfan

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    I just want a traditional one Ro...just a fu&$ing traditional skillset at the running back position..
     
  17. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    This is probably the first time all year that I've agreed with most of what you said in your post game threads Dpate. The refereeing was abysmal. I think Philbin could get fined if he says what he wants to say in the post game presser. And he's a reserved guy. But you see him going ballistic on the sidelines and then after the game.

    I don't know what it is with Cameron Wake and why he isn't respected by the refs. You'd think after being in the league as long as he has been and statistically dominating that the refs might show him a LITTLE respect. I like to think I watch a lot of NFL football. I haven't seen a guy as good as he is not get the respect by the refs. And then you have Fasano getting called for holding at a crucial time... and Jake Long getting called for it on the last offensive play of the game... not to mention the Pouncey false start calls. Now, he's done this all season long, yet today they decide to not only call it against him, but to call it against him at the most crucial point in the game... 2nd and 10, with miami driving for the game tying field goal at mid field... not to mention the holding call on Marlon Moore on Thigpen's long punt return that set us up at midfield with 2 plus min's left... a point where we were thinking touchdown to win instead of field goal to tie. Not to mention the Koa Misi pass interference call... that doesn't get called the same way every time. Remember us a couple of weeks ago?

    It's really tiresome for me. It just takes all the fun and competitiveness out of it knowing that the cards are seemingly stacked against us every game. It's like fighting a war with swords when the enemy is being supplied with machine guns. I'm just not enjoying it anymore. Maybe I'm getting too old lol...

    By the way... why have Lamar Miller rip an 8 yard run only to not see the ball the rest of the game?

    As for Jake Long and Sean Smith... They didn't do their agents any favors today... that is for sure. But to say that each one sucks and shouldn't be resigned is to not understand the situation. We still have 8 games left. Lets see how they finish out the season... and then how much money they are asking for before we make up our minds. Both players have earned that level of respect based on previous play. It's a complex situation for each and we don't have to make a decision right now.
     
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  18. The G Man

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    IMHO, he's the least physical corner we have, generally has the worst coverage skills, and is a below average tackler. JMHO.

    That said, I think we can agree he was well...bad, today. No?
     
  19. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Is Nolan Carroll outplaying Sean Smith? Boy today he sure did.
     
  20. Ohio Fanatic

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    He was playing the most dominating wide receiver in the NFL this season, maybe that had something to do with it.
     
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  21. shadokp

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    Despite Luck having a monster game and some horrible calls by the refs, the Dolphins only lost by 3 points and had a chance in the end. Dropped passes and missed field goals might have made it a worse loss for us but somehow we were still in it. The defense still kept them out of the end zone more often than not. I understand that if the calls went our way and the defense had gotten a couple of those close INTs then the game might have been a lot better.

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  22. The G Man

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    I assume you mean Wayne. Man, I love me some Reggie Wayne. Why we didn't sign him this off season I'll never understand.

    But, to your point...was Smith shadowing Wayne today?
     
  23. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I can agree he wasn't very good today, and that sometimes he isn't all that physical, but the rest?
     
  24. The G Man

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    Well, sounds like we're in agreement more than we're not. At least as far as today goes.

    As for what he brings to the table in terms of an overall skill set, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. :wink2:

    But hey, that's cool. It's all good bro. :knucks:
     
  25. Eop05

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    Today was concerning to me for one reason. And some posters brought this up this week.

    This was our first real test against a quality QB/quality passing offense since week 1, and we failed miserably. And no, I'm not calling Andy Dalton and the Bengals a quality passing offense yet.

    I can't remember giving up so many 3rd and longs so easily maybe ever.

    The pass rush was good, I thought, especially since we were rushing 4 almost exclusively. Dropping 7 in coverage and just getting burnt play after play was demoralizing. The defensive backfield let this team down today, and I'm worried that we have no shot at catching the Patriots until we figure it out.

    Edit: And the amount of holding calls Indy got away with today was ridiculous. And to come back and call Jake Long for Holding and on the punt return, in addition to a phantom false start was simply "fishy"
     
  26. Jaj

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    As badly as they need yet another good boundary CB, they also need a better nickel CB. Marshall may suffice if they keep him in one of those roles (nickel CB), but a true #1 is necessary in Miami. It's the same for the offense at WR.
     
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  27. Ludacris

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    I totally agree with all of this.

    I think the Colts played well and deserved the win but the refs regarding those calls you mentioned, didn't give the Dolphins a chance. Not even a fighting chance. It's like they decided the game for us and controlled the tempo and momentum at critical points.
     
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  28. mroz

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    The problem with SMith is that ppl are trying to make him out to be a shutdown CB which he is clearly not. He is a very good #2 CB but he is not and never will be a shutdown CB
     
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  29. Trackstar

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    How about we give just a liiitle bit of credit to Indy. I understand the frustrations, but take away some of the bashing from our own and give credit to the opponent.

    Did anyone see the post-game speech by Pagano? The Colts were inspired today and their future star QB had his day.
     
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  30. JMHPhin

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    OK my take

    1st I apologize for anyone reading my posts in game thread, while I mean alot of what I say, it is emotionally charged. Wife calls me nuts, maybe she is right. I get wrapped up in this team, I have lived and died with them since the undefeated season. I am 46 now and remember that year not specifics in that I can tell you what happened tho can say I remember griese getting hurt and watching Earl Morral play. Point is, it comes down to belief. In the old days when we wer good, you knew they wwould get off the field on 3rd and 10+ you knew they would make a play.

    Today, I saw a defense chasing its tail being dictated to. Coverage was awful, rush was there but too often we couldnt stay on receivers. 3rd and 2 and we have 10 yard cushions? I guarenteed convertions when I saw that. it isnt that I dont want to credit Luck nor state the officials were bad, but it was the hand that was dealt, winners deal and overcome. We fell today. It doesnt mean we are done and wont compete. I am hopeful of the future after today I actually think Philbin will turn this into a lesson they will learn and grow from. It still is horrible play on defense.

    Tannehill and teh offense is growing but needs help, Luck is great but Wayne is a vet that can be a crutch, we are getting there but arent yet.

    But in the end, we are better than I would have thought and 8-8 is reasonable and attainable and would be a good starting point.
     
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  31. RoninFin4

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    I'm probably in the minority on this, and who knows if he'll be kept, but I think Jonas Gray fits that bill. I think Lamar Miller does as well. I'm not sure why he doesn't get more carries. I get that his pass-blocking is a liability, but so is Reggie Bush's. I'd still bet that the Lamar Miller will be a proverbial feather in Jeff Ireland's cap.
     
  32. Destroyer

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    The only thing this game did for me was cement my hate for the Colt's organization and Andrew Luck. I hope they meet Peyton in the AFC championship and he sends there *** back t0 Indy.
     
  33. RoninFin4

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    I agree with this. He's certainly having a good year, and had a down game today, but I just can't see any way that Miami wouldn't bring him back.

    But, I think it's clear that Miami needs to upgrade over Nolan Carroll and Jimmy Wilson. They're fine special teams players for sure, and maybe you can count on them for a spot start or back-up duty replacing someone who is injured; but in my opinion, they shouldn't be playing as many snaps as they are on defense. That's one area Miami needs to address this offseason.
     
  34. Anonymous

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    Carrol is playing well. Not sure why you're saying that.
     
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  35. RoninFin4

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    I don't think he matched-up well with Donnie Avery today. Just my opinion, but I'd rather he not be a starting CB.

    I'd personally rather have Smith as the #2 guy or boundary corner, and try and find a true, #1 field corner.
     
  36. djphinfan

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    Man, just thinking how were gonna have to build this team to Contain and beat Luck..

    We got some pressure on him, but obviously he's too good for above average pressure, we need athletes that can do special things when chasing this player..

    Might change the complexity of the early rounds of the draft.
     
  37. Jaj

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    By having worthwhile cornerbacks. Luck had easy throw after throw. Tannehill's throws were very different. There was a tight window for only moderate gains available.
     
  38. finfaninilinois

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    the biggest differance was Luck had 4 or 5 seconds to throw tanny had 2 or 3 - thats a huge differance
     
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  39. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    The reason for that difference is that Luck was masterful at working the pocket while Tanny was pretty poor.
     
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  40. Eop05

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    Andrew Luck as a rooke NFL QB is in a league by himself. Never can I remember a rookie QB looking this experienced and this good playing the position. Compare him to all the best QBs in the league in their rookie years and he's on a level of his own.

    Not saying you did this, but comparing Ryan Tannehill to Andrew Luck is unfair. Compare Ryan Tannehill to anyone else in their respective rookie seasons, and we'll all see that he's ahead of the curve. We should all be happy about that at least.
     
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