Thank god that didn't happen. I'm actually shocked that Parcells would even consider it seeing that Shockey made a derogatory comment about him a few years ago.
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Interesting. To be honest I wouldn't have been opposed necessarily. Shockey is a talented player, and has a passion for the game. Only negative is his health, which is a little exaggerated IMO
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He also has behavior issues, something that I don't think would go well in South Beach.
There was discussion of a 3-way trade where Taylor would have gone to NY, Shockey to NO and Miami would have gotten picks in return. Maybe that's what you heard or what was discussed.Bpk likes this. -
TE's are important to a Parcells offense and Shockey's a very talented one that is very comparable in ability to Jason Witten so I can understand why Parcells would consider it.
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Other than calling Parcells a 'homo', he hasn't done much. He is a little of a hothead, but sometimes you have to accept it if you want passionate players. Shockey is always in Miami, usually working out at UM or fishing. He isn't a bad guy.alen1 likes this.
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Yes and no
Shockey is a talented TE and would definitely be an upgrade over anything we currently have on this roster. And yes a very good TE is important to a young QB and can become his safety net, but this is Henning's offense and I think I read here that TE isn't as important in his offense as we all thought.
I don't remember specifics, but Shockey has always been in the media here spouting off and I think he had a spat with Coughlin as well. He may be a good pickup for a team that is making a run at the playoffs and SB, but I don't really think that his attitude is a good fit for a rebuilding team full of impressionable youngsters. I'm always wary of bringing in players (vets and rookies) who have attitude issues because team chemistry is very important in my book. :wink2:Bpk likes this. -
Im glad we got the deal with did for the 2nd and 6th instead of Shockey. Shockey is going to be a great fit in NO though i think.
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That's one question I'd like answered because Parcells teams utilize TE's yet Henning doesn't. Who has the ultimate authority over the offensive plays? Henning, Sparano, or Parcells? Henning essentially uses them as an extra blocker which garnished a lot of criticism among Panther fans. And I've never really been a fan of Henning anyways. My hope is that he tailors an offense that works well in today's rules, which favor WR's and TE's.
Perhaps not, but then again, it'd be no different than having JT and Parcells probably thought it's a wash anyways until the Washington situation came up. If the Skins had no intention of getting a DE due to injury, I think a Shockey trade would've been the better one out there. -
He's always had that UM thug mentality. Worst thing would be to bring him back to Miami.
He is talented, but Miami is better off without him. I think the Saints got a great player though. I'd have taken him if the Phins didn't play in Miami.Bpk likes this. -
The same one as that UF thug mentality? That OSU thug mentality? That USC thug mentality? that PSU thug mentality?alen1 likes this.
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I'm glad that didn't happen. Shockey is just a player I don't trust. He's obviously a physical talent but I don't trust him to not be injured or not be in trouble or to make that block or that third down catch. Now this is just my perception and not necessarily accurate, but that's the feeling I get watching him.
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Not the same at all. UM players thrive off their thug mentality, and UM alumni train there every year with the new kids, ensuring that the legacy doesn't die.
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I dont know where you get 'thrive' from. Or which 'thugs' go back to their alma mater. I always figured players from schools with more criminals, such as penn st. or UF did the same.alen1 likes this.
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As opposed to him calling a player "SHE?"
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Listen I'm a Dolphins fan, I don't really care to get into the this school vs. that school debate.
I'm not trying to hate on UM. But face it they've produced more than their fare share of players who need or have had serious criminal issues, or have been unhealthy distractions to their teams. Kellen Winslow, Jeremy Shockey, Sean Taylor, Warren Sapp, Ray Lewis, are just those who got drafted in the 1st round. -
Absolutely. This is th guy who was so supportive of his team in the playoffs that he didn't bother being in town for much of the week before the Superbow, nor did he care to be on the sidelines with them. He obviously was not close to them. What sort of teammate doesn't want to be with his teammates during the biggest game of their lives to support them? A crappy one, that's what sort.
But who can blame him? There were only a cohesive enough team to have Superbowl Championship caliber chemistry... which, by the way, seemed to gel AFTER Shockey was injured and out of the picture.
Funny how REMOVING Tiki and Shockey from that locker room = a Superbowl Championship.
Jeremy Shockey a good guy? Maybe as a drinking buddy, but he seems like a giant arse to me and more an obstacle to team success than a catalyst of it.like2god likes this. -
I am definitely glad we got the draft picks instead :yes:
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Well in Parcells mind a coach can be harsh with his players to get them motivated, but there is also a little history that goes along with that story. Parcells wanted no part of Glenn and was overruled by the owner (Kraft) in the newspapers and it just served as one more knife in his back, so obviously he wasn't happy with the selection and I guess he was tougher on Glenn than he probably should have been. That doesn't make it right, but that is also alot different than a player running his mouth and calling the guy a derogatory name.
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we can draft someone better than shockey with the picks we got.
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UM's thug rep is much higher than just about any other school. The number of actual criminals is only part of it. A large part of it is the attitude. Players who are excitable can be seen as passionate or arrogant (and thuggish). For whatever reason UM's players (in the eyes of many football fans) cross that line between passionate and arrogant more often than most other teams.
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Funny people parrot these ESPN stereotypes, but when ESPN stereotypes the Dolphins they dont know what they are talking about.
The fact of the matter is UF has a lot more criminals than Miami.
Anyone remember the UF players, who decided to get drunk, take some AK47s in their SUV, and go shoot some apartments for fun?
The reality is that there are arrogant and excitable players from every school. It may appear more prevalent in the NFL, but only because there are so many Hurricanes in the NFL. UM gets a thug rep because its a small school. ESPN can bash UM all it wants, and they aren't losing many casual fans. Also, winning 5 championships in the past 25 years will bring its fair share of detractors.Last edited: Jul 22, 2008 -
That is a good point, and I certainly agree that they were better without Shockey. But you cant place that blame on Shockey alone. Eli Manning is the shy-type, and he just didn't mesh well with Shockey's in your face attitude. Just because a player doesn't fit on one team, doesn't mean he won't fit somewhere else.