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Dolphins Draft Strategy - They Will Move Up... for a QB

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jan 6, 2020.

  1. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    I trust your speaking as a fan, not one of the Dolphins coaches.
     
  2. Irishman

    Irishman Well-Known Member

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    I looked this up and this is what I found:

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    Broken Bones Grow Back Stronger… Sort Of. ... This calcium collection is really strong, so, while the bone is healing there is a period when the break site is stronger than it ever has been. But, the rest of the bone surrounding the break site actually demineralizes because of inactivity (since you're probably in a cast).Apr 19, 2018

    This doesn't address if it gets thicker or not, but for a period of time the healed area is stronger then the surrounding bone, so it appears I was correct about the location adjacent to the break as a point of weakness. Apparently during healing there is some bone smoothing, but the article gave no information as to what bone smoothing means. Does it mean a thickened area gets flattened out? I could not find an answer for that.

    I hope you find this information useful.
     
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    You didn’t trade away two pro bowlers to end up with some DT... you did this to get a franchise QB.

    You just get Tua at all costs... picks be damned
     
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  4. Patster1969

    Patster1969 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wasn't Greg Cook the highly touted Bengals QB in 69?
     
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  5. Irishman

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    Yes. He played 3 games before he was injured and was off and on again for about a year. The shoulder injury wasn't fully identified at first and then the surgery was not successful.
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Does it matter? We need a QB. Tua has the look of an all world talent and he's within reach.
     
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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Tua is this gen's Brees.
     
  8. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    AVN is wht you're referring too. And AVN occurs in less than 5% of patients if their hip is reduced in under 6 hrs. His was reduced in less than 1 hour.
     
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  9. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    Bone is tissue. A bone will create a callous when it's healing. Yes, when a limb is immobilized bone density may decrease, but the fracture is healing so it increases. However, shortly after the limb starts to move it evens back out. This is called Wollf's Law and it's the same reason astronauts lose bone density while in space. You asserted that because there will be bone thickening and strength gains at the fracture site it would cause other issues. That's not true. After fracture, bones do not grow back any stronger or thicker.
     
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  10. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    I'd like to see a link to his x-rays. I find it really hard to believe that they are on the internet.
     
  11. Patster1969

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    From reading about him, the genesis of the WCO came about because of his injury, as Walsh had to modify the offense around the back-up into more of a short pass timing playbook, as he didn't have the skillset of Cook. Cook was supposed to be the next superstar QB but never regained his skills due to the limited medical help at that time for that particular injury
     
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  12. Irishman

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    I don't have that link, but I wish I did. I thought that information would have been seen by a lot of interested people, such as myself, so I didn't bother to save it.

    They were made available in a discussion about his injury within a week or two afterwards and it may have been on the colleges web site or Tua's.

    I was surprised they were made available, but I'm glad they were. It answered many of my questions. There was another set of x-rays shown that were of a complete separation of the bone in the pelvic girdle and all the pins that were used to keep it in place. The contrast between the two made it clear to me that by not being completely broken, the general shape and bone location stayed intact within Tua's x-rays and in the comparison x-rays, the two bones were free floating and only located by 8 to 12 mechanical fasteners which made the positioning difficult and appeared to offer only a limited amount of structural support. Tuas injury looked bad, but the complete separation, even though it was after surgery, looked terrible.

    I wondered how they could keep the relative positions of the two bones from moving during healing. Did they use a full body cast to stabilize the hips and pelvis? I don't know, but from my non-medical based view point, I can't imagine how else they could protect the bone from incidental movement. What are they going to tell the patient, "don't move your hips or put any pressure on your legs like standing". How in the world can they protect that kind of injury from some necessary physical motions like a bowel movement, or sitting down or getting up; which would need to occur daily?
     
  13. danmarino

    danmarino Justice for Jacob Blake Club Member

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    Again, I seriously doubt his x-rays were released onto the internet. Are you sure you weren't looking at example cases of people who suffered similar injuries?

    Most likely the surgeons used plates and screws and ordered Tua to not place any weight on that leg for a period of time. There would be no need for a cast because the internal fixation will stabilize the bones until they heal.
     
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  14. Irishman

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    I understand your doubt. If I had not seen them, I wouldn't have believed it either. I tried to see if I could relocate that link but I couldn't. I did find the following, but they are general pieces of information and the x-ray shown isn't Tuas, or what I saw that I recall as being Tua's.


    Tagovailoa suffered a dislocated hip with a posterior wall fracture, an injury most commonly associated with high-speed motor vehicle accidents, when he was tackled from behind by two Mississippi State defenders with three minutes remaining in the second quarter Saturday.



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    I hope the part about the posterior wall injury makes sense to you. in the x-rays I remember the injury was a crack similar to #4, but only the top horizontal part showed any physical separation. The remainder was just a crack that followed the same path as the vertical separation in #4. It could be just a giant "flake" like shown in #3.

    I really wish now that I had saved that x-ray information. My memory is fairly clear, but I don't look at many x-rays and I can't vouch for the accuracy of my interpretation of what's in my minds eye.

    The x-ray of "Jane Doe", shows the kind of supporting inserts I saw in the comparison x-ray I saw shown with Tua's.
     
  15. Phin McCool

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    A couple of years ago, I had a mild stomach complaint. I went to the doctor and said "Doctor, I think I have a stomach ulcer".

    "Really?" he said. "Why do you think that?"

    "I read up on the symptoms on the Internet." I replied.

    You should have seen his face. I thought he was going to chin me.

    "So the internet has told you that you have a stomach ulcer, has it? Why have you bothered to come and see me then if the internet has diagnosed you?"

    I didn't have a stomach ulcer and the moral of my story is that sometimes - every time really - its best to ltrust seasoned medical professionals, rather than some anonymous ramblings on the world wide web.
     
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  16. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Lol Your doctor was a grade A *******. Like its somehow not okay to look your symptoms up in order to determine if its worth going to the doctor?

    Like I posted in another thread, I've had several family members not receive proper treatment due to misdiagnosis and have had a doctor constantly accuse me of something untrue so he could be "right".

    Doctors suck 95% of the time. Pretty much anyone with enough money to go to school can be a doctor these days, there us 0 quality control and thus I would never trust one as far as I can throw them. Their interpretation is just as prone to being wrong as someone who jumped on WebMD
     
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  17. Phin McCool

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    Sorry to read about your family members. I fully understand how you can be so pissed at doctors having had to deal with that.
     
  18. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    I do want to say obviously there ARE some great doctors out there. It's just hard to tell who's who sometimes. I would HOPE the doctors Tua had are world class and a step above my personal experiences.
     
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  19. Hooligan

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    50% of doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class. You never really know where your particular doctor ranks since it doesn't say on the diploma. You DO have to pay attention.
     
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  20. Puka-head

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    Talk to the nurses. They'll tell you who the good doctor's are. Beware if all the nurses are hot young ones. Seriously. When all else is equal, i.e. cost, availability, where they practice, find a female doc. They don't tend to have the "I am Doctor you must listen!" attitude and actually listen to you. Before they tell you to shut up and listen to them anyway.

    When your nurse is walking you in to the office and taking your blood pressure and stuff just ask her. Does the doctor respect you? And observe. That will tell you what you need to know.
     
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  21. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Actually the best doctor I had and only decent experience was female and also highly attractive, not that that matters but it plays into the story.

    I went in for a kidney stone giving me incredible pain, she pushes on my lower abdomen and I pop up and throw up all over lmao I was so embarrassed actually.
     
  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    **** stones. Did you get gout yet?

    Often times if a person had stones they also get gout.
     
  23. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Never had gout thankfully. The stones run in my family, my grandfather used to get them, so here I am at 29 already with one.

    The crappy part is I dont think it even came out. I had to go to the ER twice last year because the pain was so intense with it, but I havent had serious pain since then and removal is expensive so here I am lol
     
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  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    Not to be indelicate, but did the pain ever make it to your junk? If so, its likely out. If not, it may have broken down, hopefully.
     
  25. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Not really, not to give TMI but one time going to the bathroom I did feel a sort of "pop" of pressure almost from it while going, but occassionally still have some small kicks in the side so I assumed it was either partial or nothing.
     
  26. Fin D

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    Yeah they're generally smaller than a flake of oregano so you likely wouldn't;t see it.

    But if you couldn't;t pee than all of a sudden could, it definitely came out. That other stuff you feel is probably more grit. Did you change your eating and drinking habits after?
     
  27. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I used to drink a decent amount of energy drinks (I know they are bad, I just never liked coffee and used them as an alternative) and that crap but really havent at all since October-ish.

    More water and healthier foods as much as I've been able to adapt my diet anyway. I definitely wouldnt say I'm super healthy still, but definitely progress.
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh Club Member

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    If you get gout and it gets bad, prednisone stops the pain pretty quick. Pain meds don’t touch it though. Even the big guns like Vicodin have 0 effect.
     
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    I had a damaged ureter (tube from kidney to bladder) about 6 weeks ago, damaged from a groin surgery 6 days prior, and NOTHING touched that pain either. Toradol, morphine, fentanyl, nothing. Unbelievable pain that was...for 20 hours while they figured out what they messed up.

    I wonder if I should sue!

    Kidding...mostly.
     
  31. pumpdogs

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    Joe Burrows season was better than any college QB in history period!Lsu beat 7 at.one time top 10 teams.If I remember correctly in those games he had 27 TDs and 2 picks not to mention he had rushing TDs on top of that.I feel he is the next Joe Montana and yes I would give up every pointless win last year to get him!
     
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  32. Claymore95

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    Always a risk with the attractive ones :tongue:
     
  33. Puka-head

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    Drink Cherry juice. Grampa swore by it and it's been studied. There is something in cherries that makes it better.

    It must be the offseason we're talking about da gout. :001_rolleyes:
     
  34. Cashvillesent

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    Burrow has talent all over that field.

    How would you compare him to guys like Luck is the better question? I dont think Burrow is a generational talent.
     
  35. pumpdogs

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    So does Tua but nobody is knocking.him for it.Who will have more first rounders on offence Bama or Lsu so ur statement is weak.
     
  36. Galant

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    Almost everyone was knocking Tua for it. From before the season and all the way through the constant repetition was that Tua is overrated because his WR's are so good. But with Tua, as with Burrow and anyone else, having talent around you shouldn't be an excuse for lazy analysis. It calls for people to pay attention to just what part the QB is playing, seeing how they are performing as individuals, and not just using box scores and YAC stats to evaluate them.
     
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  37. pumpdogs

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    True.
    My love for Burrow is his anticipation throwing wrs open,Awareness in the pocket,and his big game moxie.You can't teach most of that.You either have it or you don't.I am an eye test guy and watched his game in sept against Texas and my love grew from there.No stage was to big for the guy.I don't care about not having a Josh Allen arm.This guy was playing against elite college talent all year and they couldn't stop him.The one year wonder thing is bull**** also.I didn't see the goat light it up in college partly because the coaches thought the other guy was better.
     
  38. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Luck wasnt even a generational talent if you actually watch him play and look at his career numbers. Hes barely that much different from Tannehill who isnt a generational talent either.

    The only reason Luck gets talked up so hard is all the pre-draft hype.

    Definitely "great" but I wouldmt call him generational in his impact.
     
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  39. Surfs Up 99

    Surfs Up 99 Team Flores & Team Tua

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    Too bad KB isn't around. I believe he's an orthopedic surgeon. Maybe he could clarify.
     
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  40. Cashvillesent

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    Dude he took a bum *** team to the AFC title game.
     

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