"It is clear, however, that Gase intends to continue calling the plays in 2018 as he has his first two years with the Dolphins and for many years as an NFL offensive coordinator.
The addition of Loggains -- or whoever Gase eventually hires -- is in part meant to help the Dolphins fill a void that was lost when former offensive line coach Chris Foerster was fired after a cocaine sniffing video of him surfaced in October. Foerster handled the offensive line but his duties also included setting up the running game and other things.
It is not known how the Dolphins expect to address their apparent offensive line assistant coach vacancy.
Loggains, 37, would come to the Dolphins with a reputation for running a balanced offense -- an issue the Dolphins had trouble with last season when they went into the final week having the most disproportionate pass to run ration of any NFL team.
Loggains has coached a 1,000-yard rusher in all three seasons he’s been an offensive coordinator."
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What a quandry... on the one hand I'm really eager to see the coaching improve for the Dolphins (in whatever way that happens), but on the other hand, evaluating coaches is nearly impossible. There are so many different influencing factors and everyone and their grandma has opinions, there seems to be no way to get any bearing on possible changes. Prior success is no guarantee of future success, and likewise with failure. Does anyone know of a great way to evaluate coaches - or even some useful tools?
This potential Loggains move feels bad, in part, because it seems like everything Gase does in this regard is bring him people he's familiar with, and it makes one wonder whether he even looks elsewhere. Of course, I suspect this happens everywhere, and I understand the tendency, and maybe no-one ever looks elsewhere for their positional coaches and coordinators, but still... it's hard not to feel negative about it.
Then again, maybe it will be a good move...there's just no way to know.
Then there was this rather horrible sounding piece - Loggains Named NFL's Worst Play Caller - which suggests ESPN thinks they know how to evaluate coaches:
"ESPN recently ranked all 32 NFL playcallers and Loggains unsurprisingly landed dead last. ESPN's Jeff Dickersonexplained why Loggains was at the bottom of the list:
Loggains is in his second year as Bears offensive coordinator after spending parts of the 2012 and 2013 seasons calling plays in Tennessee. He isn't nearly as accomplished as predecessor Adam Gase -- now the head coach of the Dolphins -- but Chicago doesn't have many weapons on offense, particularly at wide receiver. Plus, Loggains is attempting to coach up rookie quarterback Mitchell Trubisky, who started just 13 games in college before the Bears selected him second overall in the 2017 draft. But the NFL is a performance-based business. The Bears rank 29th in points per game (16.7) and total offense (291.6). Loggains, along with coach John Fox, is definitely on the hot seat as Chicago approaches its final seven games of 2017.
Dickerson points out that the weapons have been limited for Loggains on offense, but he has a tendency to go away from what is working on offense. There have been plenty of times this season where the team has become predictable, particularly with Mitch Trubisky under center."
So lots of mitigating factors listed there. But that last paragraph sounds eerily familiar.
Not sure why I'm even looking at this. I mean what could I even expect from reading about coaching changes. Good or bad there's no way to know what will happen until it does.
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Here's one piece on what's needed to be a successful coach.
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I'm not sure how I feel about this either. To paraphrase Bill Parcells, it's kinda hard to make a decent meal when you don't have any decent groceries but in Chicago, that's always been an issue. I mean think about it, when you think Chicago, you think of Walter Payton, Deven Hester and mostly, their defense. Chicago has NEVER been an offensive powerhouse.
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I got the distinct impression from those tweets that they're looking for Loggains for the offensive line/running game coach. Could be wrong but that seems to be where they're headed with this, not necessarily a replacement to Christensen.
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Jesus man. Gase just needs to have someone run the offense. As smart as he is being a head coach is a much bigger commitment. Gase can play QB guru and let someone else run the offense and he can manage the team like he should. His way isnt working 2 years into the experiment.
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Not saying it’s goid or bad only that’s the way it is anymore and what’s even more amazing to me, with the exception of a handful, no coach in the NFL has any experience as an NFL player. That’s pretty incredible if you ask me.Irishman likes this. -
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Gase is starting to flake on me in how this is being presented. We’ll see.
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Wow this guy sounds like a yes man.."He knows how to deal with Gases complex personality". are you kidding me?
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From the article:
"Adam Gase felt he needs to change something in order to improve Miami’s 25th-ranked offense. Gase has said he will continue to call the plays in 2018.
But Gase wanted a new voice in the room, and so he turned to a trusted voice from his past. Loggains was offensive coordinator of the Bears in 2016-17 and previously worked with Gase in Chicago...
Why did Gase go with Loggains?
According to people familiar with their excellent relationship, the organization feels Loggains:
• Has familiarity with multiple schemes as a play-caller
• Develops pocket awareness of quarterbacks
• Is outstanding with players and respected around the league
• Is good at managing people"
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"Adam Gase felt he needs to change something in order to improve Miami’s 25th-ranked offense. Gase has said he will continue to call the plays in 2018."
So Gase was calling the O plays, hmmm because there was someone on this board that has told us over and over again Gase wasn't calling the plays.....
I guess that certain someone was wrong, again and again.
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Now go back and find what I said about Gase's play calling and post it here. You know, the part where I said that Gase and Christiansen shared that duty. Not equally either...
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This is a neutral move on paper. It's not flashy, but there is nothing inherently bad or negative about it at all.Irishman likes this. -
Yet you expect us to ignore all that and believe some guy named Dan Marino on a dolphins forum who says he does not?
You are wrong, just like you have been wrong on pretty much every topic we argue about. You were wrong about kiko, you were wrong about Timmons, you were wrong about harris, you were wrong about branch, you are wrong about mostly everything since all you do is try to cover for **** decisions and **** players.Carmen Cygni likes this. -
Loggains' quarterbacks:
2013 - Jake Locker/Ryan Fitzpatrick
2014 - Brian Hoyer/Johnny Manziel/Connor Shaw
2015 - Josh McCown/Johnny Manziel/Austin Davis
2016 - Matt Barkley/Brian Hoyer/Jay Cutler
2017 - Mike Glennon/Mitchell Trubisky
The guy hasn't had an above-average quarterback for more than half a season (McCown 2015).tirty8 likes this. -
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So unless we have a lights out defense a mid level offense and mid level defense is going to produce 8-8 9-7 seasons year after year where we have been it seems forever.
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- will the offense be better just having an o-coordinator on same page as Gase? i.e. was Christensen the problem?
- Was the offense bad in Chicago because it was just a bad team with bad QB's?
- If gase is still calling plays, will this guy focus on certain aspects of the offense and complement Gase?
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24 TD, 8 INT (3:1 ratio), 4000+ yards
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Of course there are many factors what I am simply saying is in my opinion on paper Indont feel this is going to be a move that fixes this offense. It may I have no real inside knowledge outside looking as his past which shows nothing exciting to me.
This is a forum it’s all our opinions. My tone has been somewhat negative because I’m frustrated at the prospect of yet another mediocre season. I think Gase could be a good coach given enough time but I’m not sold on his current control level. Id like to see a real official offensive coach on the lines calling the plays.
I think he needs to reduce his role to become a better coach.