we were also looking into chad owens (Toronto Argonauts’ WR/KR) but he looks to be going to the jets

 

Almost looks like a poor man's Brandon Marshall. Not very fast, but a big guy. Possession Receiver. What Patrick Turner should have been.

 

He runs a 4.4? Sign him up.

 

Maybe it's just that big field they play on, but in his highlight video his speed doesn't really show up.

Only other thing I notice is that his cuts aren't very good. Every field I saw in the video was artificial turf. You should be breaking ankles on that surface, yet more times than not he was brought down pretty easily.

 

Where is Rickysbong he knows the CFL guys pretty well. I want to know can he return kicks and punts?

 

What does ROSS think?

 

We're already lead the league in UDFA WRs and TE's. Henne must be thrilled.

 

What does that have to do with anything?

 

Excellent point, Sir. Though, IMO, Fitz took advantage of our total inability to make plays on the ball, not the skill of his WRs. They were blanketed most of the day, they just caught the ball anyway b/c our secondary was doing, well, I have no clue what they were doing. Dansby had a ball go right through him for a TD. Vontae allowed long completions on two plays where he was in great position, Smith dropped another INT and was in good position but failed to knock down what turned out to be the winning score. Credit Fitz for his guts, but if we make those (routine) plays, we win the game. Either that or it's all Henne's fault.

Besides, if we want to be like the Bills, then lets do what they're doing. If we don't wanna be like the Bills, let's try something different. I'm thinking we bring in Santonio Holmes, Brad Smith, James/Jacoby Jones, Early Doucet, proven guys who can step in and make plays. We already have two developmental guys on the roster and they both need a lot more work. Do we really want another build from scratch WR? I hope not.

 

Did you see the Cleveland game? Chicago? Buffalo? Detroit? NE? Its tough to throw the ball when you have a bunch or practice squad WRs/TEs, a young QB, and no running game. Either that or Henne sucks.

IMO if we want to improve the passing game, we need to stop digging thru garbage dumps, bite the bullet, and spend some $ on guys who can play NOW, not 3 years from now.

 

I did watch the game, why not bring in more talent?

Also, last year, Henne did suck.

 

I haven't see the guy play. But I doubt he's ready to come into the NFL and solve our WR needs. 9 outta 10 he's a guy who'll need a year or 3 to learn the game before he can be a consistent contributor. Same as Wallace and Moore. I don't see why we need all of these wait and see WRs when our offense is crying out for guys who can make plays RIGHT NOW. Here's a list of the FA Wrs for 2010 http://www.footballsfuture.com/2011/fa/wr.html. There are guys on that list who can come in and make a difference, that's where we need to be looking. We have enough scratch and sniff WRs already.

Blame Henne all you want. But I see that Henning was on the first bus outta Davie. And Ross wasn't flying out to Cali to meet with a new QB, was he? Our problems go way past "Henne sucks".

 

Could be a replacement for Moore who, imo was a disappointment.

I am not blamming Henne for all the problems, however he did suck. You want to make this into a personal thing about Henne, that is your decision. He did not play well and made bad decisions.

If Henne played like a good quarterback Henning still has a job and Ross doesn't make a trip. Good quarterback play would have at least kept the offense decent.

 

I BELIEVE!!!

[video=youtube;z6UTxKKhqfk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6UTxKKhqfk[/video]

 

Moore was an UDFA WR, what was he supposed to do as a rookie? 1000yds and 8 TDs? He should've never seen the field. He belongs on the practice squad, not on the field being counted on to make plays late in the season, b/c he wasn't ready for that. Just like Henne is still a developing QB, he shouldn't be asked to carry the offense without a running game or a staple of play makers at the skill spots. You seem to think that a QB can "play well" regardless of who he's playing with or against, that's just not how it works.

 

he was supposed to catch the ball when the ball hit his hands. Just because someone is an UDFA does not mean they shouldn't see the field. Bess is a great example of that. Moore showed good promise during preseason when it came to getting open and running routes. Unfortunately when the s hit the h he ended up dropping the ball. I expected a good 20 catches or so with that situation. Any decent wide receiver should have gotten that.

That is a HUGE stretch and horrible use of logic. I do not think a QB can "play well" regardless of who he's playing with or against. However I also do not think I need to make the entire offense look worse than what it was to make the QB not look like he played horrible. I do think quarterbacks could have some pocket awareness, make good decisions and have good ball placement, which Henne showed a huge problem with. Did not watch a good quarterback struggle with a bad offense. I saw a poor quarterback holding the offense back. He does have some positives that can improve, I am not for dumping him, however I am not going to put blinders on and create a situation where the offense is worse than it was to make the QB look good.

 

That makes sense. When I watched his Youtube video, I was shocked when Pads said he was 4.4. Must have been wind-aided :lol:

 

if you want a return man, go check out Yonas Davis sp? of the Lions as well. more quick than fast Id say but very dangerous return guy. Padre, are you in Vancouver or just a Lions fan?

 

I'm not going to hijack Pads thread. He wanted to talk WRs so that's what I'm here to do. Hopefully we can continue the Henne discussion a more appropriate thread.

As for Moore, agree to disagree. Neither he nor Wallace are NFL ready WRs . They only played b/c of injury and how bad our other WRs are. There are ALOT of things to think about as a WR. Where to lineup, snap count, play call, route, is it zone or man, is it 2 or 3, is the DB outside or inside, is he at 4 yds or 8, is he squatting or bailing, where/when do I stem, where/when do I break my route off? If those things aren't coming to you naturally, instinctively, then trust me, its a lot harder to "catch the ball" than you might think. Bess was an exception b/c he knew all about coverages and route concepts before he ever hit the NFL, his quickness and COD ability makes him an natural in the slot, where he faces LBs and Nickel guys. Playing flanker or split end is a whole different animal.

IMO, you have wildly inflated expectations of what young developmental players should be able to do vs established NFL vets and high draft picks.

 

wallace showed very bad hands consistently allseason long..nervous hands..

 

Catching the ball is the easiest part. But like you said, when you're nervous and thinking about other things, you often fail to finish the play. Again, neither he nor Moore were ready IMO, they need another year or 2 on the PS.

The play in Cincinnati was LOL funny. Ran out of bounds, came back in, dropped a perfect ball, in the end zone. Pure suckage. Don't think he saw the field for a looong time after that.

 

http://www.sportsnet.ca/football/cfl/2011/01/05/arceneaux_nfl/

 

Im not sure how Manny will far in the NFL. As I mentioned before, I really liked when the Lions would hit him on crossing routes and let him outrun LB's or smash into db's. With the wider CFL field he was quite good at it. Not sure how he would fare in the NFL, but hes certainly worth a look. Agree on Davis. Hes more sturdy than Logan, at least looks it.

 

I really hate the running start for wr's in the CFL. To me thats a massive adjustment going to the NFL.

 

If this is true, then what is your excuse regarding the first 3 games of 09 with Penny at QB? So the 5 or 6 other times that Henning was fired was also b/c of his QBs and owners?