No surprise there. Like I said before. Ireland ramps up negotiations during the Combine because all the agents are there and it's easier to hammer out parameters. Wouldn't be surprised if he had someone wrapped up within a few days of the combine ending.

 

That and he's the only playmaking threat we had last season. I would be happy if he resigned with the Phins.

 

Reggie Bush would have to come pretty cheaply to be worth it. The guy isn't a very good zone runner.

 

Would love to have him back, moreso than Jake.

If you need playmakers, it is not then a good idea to let the ones you have walk away.

 

IF he doesnt come back...What would you guys think of LaRod Stephens-Howling as a guy to spell miller at times? He would come cheap.

 

Good player, just think we already have him in Marcus Thigpen.

 

Is this just Armando speculating as in who doesn't want a raise or is there some basis that Bush wants to be paid more.

 

Straight up conjecture based on Bush's two years here being more successful than any of his years in New Orleans. Shoddy Journalism but then again that's redundant, because you already said the word "Armando"

 

True, I just want someone with a little more of a resume in our backfield just in case Miller isn't what we hope or he gets injured. What are your thoughts? anyone you would like to see back there who would come cheap and be productive?

 

Agreed.

 

Well, if we resign Bush, we'd have enough depth w/Miller/Bush/Thigpen, the real question is Daniel Thomas.

DTrain had some great moments last yr, but two years in a row finished on the IR with a relatively light workload

 

Agreed on Bush... I mean if we don't resing him, who would you like for depth?

IMO we can't roll with Miller, Thomas, Gray and Thigpen. Way too little experience/production. It could work out just fine, but if we're going all in this offseason you can't go into 2013 with that big of a question mark.

 

They should let Bush go because he is not a good fit for what Miami does. His best skill set is his receiving skills, and that just isn't likely to be utilized the way it needs to be in this offense. Plus, he's not a very good zone runner. He has too much east/west movement when he runs and doesn't just stick his foot in the ground and hit the hole. Great work ethic, but a poor long term fit for what Miami wants to do.

Lamar Miller is a better fit, and IMO, a better pure runner in the long run.

 

Few teams go past 2 deep at Rb as it is, so keeping bush should be enough.

What I'm thinking is Bush goes into a Woodhead type of role for us, the real question is whether Gray can push Thomas, if he can beat him out then we will have sufficient depth at Rb assuming bush is retained.

 

It's probably not a bad idea to bring him back, as long as Miller is getting the majority of the carries. I wish we would have used Reggie more in the passing game this year, if that's the plan for next year, then bring him back.

 

I like Bush for his veteran leadership. He is one of the hardest working guys on our team and can show our young RBs how to be both in the spotlight and professional. He sets a great example.

He is frustrating to watch a lot of times though. It seems in 2011 he was more willing to go vertical through the OL, but reverted back to his stop, bounce outside mentality in 2012. Some of the stuff he comes up with is impressive though, and once he gets a lane he is a threat.

I am just upset we didn't use him more in the passing game. That is how you get Reggie in space.

 

It's not an inside running vs outside running issue. The issue is that zone runners need to be decisive and hit the hole, and that's Reggie's weak area. Reggie likes to dance around, reverse field, and try to create something out of nothing. Because of this, there is no consistency in his running. He makes big plays, but when you take those away, he averages like 2.9 yards per rush. It's hard to win with a lack of consistency in the running game like that.

 

-"when you take that away", which of course, you can't
-"avg's 2.9 ypa" see above

I'm no longer infatuated with PFF, however we also had the worst OL in the AFCE last year per their rankings, at some point, once again, context will come into play.

That and the ye olde days of "oh he averaged such and such per attempt" does not mean crap anymore KB, it is all about creating chunk yards and Td's.

 

Sparano?

 

It's absolutely fair game to put it in that context when Reggie Bush has one of the highest %'s of his production come off of a small percentage of longer runs with him putting up mediocre numbers. Doubly so when the offense had difficulties sustaining drives, and you can pretty easily see Reggie Bush's problems with decision making in the scheme.

 

Exactly, but most want to ignore the fact that Miami's biggest problem is getting into the redzone, not what they do in the redzone once they are there.

 

The problem is, when you leave all his big plays in, Daniel Thomas also averages 2.9 (or not much better).

IN any event, It's not costing us draft picks, and I can't believe we're trying to sign him if Joe Philbin and Mike Sherman are standing there tell Jeffy to let him walk. It's obvious the coaches want him back. Sherman all but admitted they finally used him correctly at the end of the year (due to limiting Tannehill's playbook early).

 

Aren't you the guy who would rather have Daniel Thomas' 3.5 ypc every carry, vs. Bush's 2.9 and the every other game big play? Yeah I think it was you.

 

The offensive line was disappointing, but it wasn't awful and I don't think adequately explains Bush. Bush trying to reverse field or being indecisive isn't him playing within the scheme. He wasn't coached to do that.

 

And the very coaching staff who is coaching him wants him back.

 

Yes, the Dolphins would be better off with Daniel Thomas averaging 3.5 yards per carry with his level of consistency than we would with Bush averaging more with his consistency.

Where'd you get that from?

 

I have seen enough of Reggie Bush. IF it was Barry Sanders (gain 1, lose 2, gain 2, gain 65) we were talking about I could live with it. Bush's big plays are too few and far between to justify the running game staling out all the time. How many drives ground to a halt when we would run it on first down and instead of shoving it up in there for 2, Bush would tap dance looking to gain 20?

The Reggie Bush of 2011 was what I would take back. He was taking the profit and living to fight another down. I believe it all went downhill after the Raider game. He went big play hunting.

Lamar Miller is the style of runner I want in this offense and what is required in this offense. Get the hand off, make a read, put your foot in the ground and go. Period. Whether Miller is THE guy or not remains to be seen. Ireland will draft or sign another runner to compete.

 

Oline played better in 2011 as well, but of course just ignore it.

I'd watch plays and see instant penetration and then read "oh, reggie loses as much yardage as he gains"

Uhm, yeah, this is one of the reasons why I'm negative on bringing Jake back for big money and somewhat surprised Incognito made the pro bowl, the OL was just not that good.

 

Exactly, one of the metrics PFF does not cover is the amount of penetration and disruptions an OL allows in the running game, they just have(-) or (+) grades, the OL basically had two rookies starting and a declining Jake Long.

 

:lol: Pure comedy gold.

 

Put me in the camp that thinks Bush dances too much, and doesn't hit the hole when it's there. So, I'd much rather see Miller given more PT and a chance to develop. And, if the FO believes a veteran back is still a need, how about Bradshaw? Assuming healthy and at a affordable price of course.

 

If keeping Reggie makes it more likely we cut Daniel Thomas, I'm in.

 

I agree Lamar Miller is a better fit. But can you trust him over a 16 game season just yet? That is a massive IF.

I know we cannot trust Daniel Thomas.

 

Thigpen may be listed as a RB but he has not once lined up as one...not even in preseason. He's lined up as a slot receiver when he has played offense. I'm not sure what Thigpen has to offer as a RB but his presence certainly doesn't make the position any less of a priority

 

Too good to even rebut.

Oh I don't know. I just figured that, if Philbin and Sherman were telling Jeffy to cut bait he wouldn't have entered contract negotiations with the agent. I'm just saying.