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Dolphins "open minded" to stadium in Palm Beach

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, May 9, 2013.

  1. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    Of course, anywhere they might build would require the use of eminent domain by the gov't. I can see a few possible areas in Broward that would make sense:

    1. They could buy up part of the North Perry Airport land - which is just north of the present locale in Broward.

    2. There is a set of ballfields by Brian Picolo park and a few houses that could be purchased that would not be too painful, price wise.

    3. Up in Davie - not far from where the training facility is now (just south of it) - there's some open land with some neighborhoods but not super populated - so it would conceivably be cheaper to buy that up and would not displace too many people.
     
  2. Da 'Fins

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    Well, he would say that about any of the 32 teams. Second, he can't really block a team if they get a great offer. Third, he's not really talking about a move down the highway (virtually equivalent to the 49ers moving to Santa Clara) - he's speaking more in terms of a move completely out of the area. Of course, keeping the Dolphins in Miami-Dade would be ideal - but that had the rug pulled out from under it by the greasy Weatherford.
     
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  4. Bpk

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    I think they should make that Palm *Springs*.
     
  5. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    There is no doubt this is in Weatherford's court. He had his own special interest to not let it go to the voters - there was no skin off his back on this from a statewide perspective; no one he needed to protect except his own interests.

    Second, while fans can say, "Aw, the Dolphins aren't going anywhere, it's just talk," the reality is this is one of the worst and most out-dated stadiums in the NFL. Miami cannot remain a viable franchise in the present stadium. It either gets a major upgrade, or they get someone to build a brand new stadium - whether in the SoFlo area or elsewhere. One of those options is going to have to happen. Period.

    What Dee said below is not "blowing smoke" - it's facing the absolute reality of the situation:

    If I were to buy the team from Ross - and he is going to sell likely in the next 5 years or so - I would want in place either a guaranteed stadium upgrade as Ross had planned for or have a deal well in the works - far down the pipeline - for a new stadium (preferably in Broward or Palm Beach Co's - if Dade was unwilling - but somewhere, even if out of state).

    No way on earth would I keep the team in the present stadium. So all this talk clearly has to be on the table as a reality.

    Staying in Sun Life in its present condition is simply not viable or acceptable. That is the most salient fact in all this. And, that's basically what Dee is saying.
     
  6. djphinfan

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    Everyone is screaming to Miami that they want to come here and hold superbowls and other events, all because its a great destination and can faciltate everything an event desires, basically their saying, get your damn venue competitive with the other elite destinations cause we wanna come.

    But we have so many thinking that "everything is ok, the building is fine, screw Ross, the stadium has pretty good energy at the BCS national championship game so it's good enough for us all season"

    And the guy serves it up on a silver platter, and still has to take sh&$ from the fanbase, mainly because they were screwed by the marlins, or they don't give a sh&$ about football.
     
  7. Fin D

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    Palm Dolphins sounds like a euphemism for masturbation.
     
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  8. Desides

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    Yes; they're all escapees from New York.
     
  9. electrolyte

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    Personally, I don't like the idea of renovations. I think it would be pissing money away only to extend the life of an old, poorly designed (for football), and outdated stadium. Why spend 500-600 million to upgrade the stadium when you can just go ahead and spend 1 billion and build a new one that is specifically designed for all the new technology of the computer age.

    Joe Robbie did his job and brought a baseball team to South Florida with the way he built the stadium. But it's time to build a new stadium. One specifically for ONLY football.
     
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  10. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    It would require a league vote and as such it cna be blocked, as they have blocked sales before due to the nature of the new owner. It does happen.
     
  11. JDelenne

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    I would seriously consider moving back home to Palm beach Gardens if this happened.

    Now that i've read the entire thread;

    I agree that actual Miami might have more to offer in terms of attractions for Super bowl guests. Though Palm Beach has equally nice beaches and superior golfing, the nightlife would be significantly lacking in comparison. But I would have to imagine that if there was a stadium brought to our county it would bring in new businesses to the immediate area that might counter that as Phinsational said earlier in this thread. Really a great idea, would help regular season attendance as well.

    As for less attendance from actual Dade county residence I would find it hard to believe.. Maybe from non-season ticket holders possibly a slight drop but bringing a stadium father north you are really expanding the area of which South Floridians will travel from. Cutting a 5-6 hour drive from Orlando residents down to 3 hours, while still keeping it within an hour - hour and a half for Dade county residents. While also increasing the attendee's of Palm Beach county residents. I really find it hard to believe that a move would negatively affect attendance. Especially since it would mean a new stadium with a possible roof, and a increased game-day experience.
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

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    This is what subsidies are all about.
     
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  13. Mcduffie81

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    That's true. I hate to say it but NYers probably would still be more likely to attend NFL games than Latinos who don't speak English and watch Soccer or nothing at all. It still surprises me that the Marlins have such horrid attendance with the giant Latin community down there.
     
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  14. Caps

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    I drive by there often if its the stretch of Spanish River off of Military that I think it is, and the ship has sailed on that plot of land, it's been developed and is now a park. If I'm not mistaken it's also within the city limits of Boca Raton, and there's no way in hell they're approving a 60,000+ seat stadium, one of the biggest issues these geezers harp on here is high-density growth.

    This thing will probably never happen but if it were to happen I think we'd be much better off dealing with Palm Beach County in an unincorporated area of land. Theres a hell of a lot of land just west of the turnpike on Atlantic Ave or 441 (west of Delray) that checks off a lot of boxes necessary to support a stadium.
     
  15. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Here are a couple of aerial shots of the old IBM site in Boca Raton on I-95.

    80+ acres wooded lot
    publicly owned
    80 minute drive from Homestead-Miami Speedway
    90 minute drive from Vero Beach
    10 minute bus ride from the Delray Beach Tri Rail station

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  17. JDelenne

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  18. djphinfan

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    I 100 % agree with you, I feel the same about these renovations, or like the gentleman in my above post so eloquently stated, "like putting lipstick on a pig" is the perfect analogy.

    I'm rooting for the renovations because I've given up hope that executives understand how to build a 12 th man concept built into the fabric and construction of the venue..

    But if we get lucky and a new venue starts to be discussed, there is a sure fire way to completely galvanize TWO programs, facilitate TWO programs, rebuild the culture of two programs, restore the pride of two cultures, and Make an incredible amount of money by the marketing and construction of a real 12th man stadium..

    People will come from far and wide, to experience what I'm talking about..
     
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  19. ToddPhin

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    Plus if you went with like a City Place type feel to accompany the stadium you could make the entire vibe about the "Dolphins" and give season ticket holders first dibs on the condos/townhomes at a reduced, attractive cost; have a nice, income-restricted condo for fans with a history of ticket purchases, and from that pool of fans give first priority for all the newly created employment opportunities. Open a Shula's Steakhouse, Offerdahl's Cafe, Marino's Sports Bar & Grill, etc as a part of the Dolphins theme. Work the Dolphins colors into the theme of the mini downtown as well. Add a few hotels that cater to Miami fans and gives anyone with a game stub an enticing discount to stay and party it up after games and especially if they make the trip the night before which would help ensure fuller stands upon kickoff and would reduce pre and post game traffic. The mini downtown would essentially transform into one of, if not the, greatest and largest "tailgate" experiences in football. Oh, and screw the large park in the middle; how 'bout a beautiful lagoon instead with actual dolphins.
     
  20. smahtaz

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    There's a smaller scale version of what you're describing built around the ballpark at Abacoa in Jupiter. It's a real nice place to just go and hang out.
     
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  21. jdang307

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    Well, what about the Jets and Giants then? They are not the New York City Jets, and New York City Giants.

    ;)
     
  22. electrolyte

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    Goodell just wants taxpayers to pay for his football teams. That's all. This is not about Sun Life's stadium's actual ability to host a SB, it's about that we haven't spent tax payer money on the stadium and other cities are spending. So they get SB's and we don't.
     
  23. djphinfan

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    Why should the owner of a football team pay for the whole expense when the region short and long term will benefit tremendously from a financial angle?
     
  24. Fin D

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    Because he'll benefit the most and he owns it.
     
  25. Section126

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    More like 45 minutes. which is like everywhere else in south florida.
     
  26. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    The Hard Rock Casino is not in West Palm. It is in Hollywood.
     
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  27. SICK

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    As in, California....??

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  28. jdang307

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    Palm Springs and I get to go to the game.
     
  29. smahtaz

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    I don't believe he'll benefit the most. If stadiums were as profitable as many seem to believe there would be companies buying them up and leasing them out.
     
  30. electrolyte

    electrolyte New Member

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    Again, the studies have shown consistently that there is NO big benefit for cities financially. The economic impact is greatly exaggerated.
     
  31. Stringer Bell

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    What studies are these??? Pls share.
     
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  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

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  34. djphinfan

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    oh ok, now that I know that is the position for which your opinion stems from, I'll move on, don't have the patience for that kind of tunnel vision..
     
  35. phinsno1

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    Just curious, what's the normal acre space used for new stadiums (you'd prob want parking too) these days?
     
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    West Palm Beach Dolphins...
     
  38. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    I meant offer to move (not offer to sell). Sure, that's the case but Goodell himself, though he has influence, can't really stop a move.
     
  39. WhiteIbanez

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    So your stance is status quo. Does your spin include the rain? You wouldn't want a SB somewhere in South Florida?
     
  40. Da 'Fins

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    This is just myopic - as is the study. I don't agree with these studies (when I was working on my MA in Econ at USF I had a professor doing research on these very matters and have read other such studies in the past). The problem is, the study subject is not the point. Or rather, not the only point. Hosting the SB is not the sole reason for the stadium change. Indeed, it is true that in terms of direct economic benefit just hosting a Pro Bowl or Super Bowl does not necessarily create economic benefit. But, that's only part of the picture. There are a myriad of other factors of having a Pro Football team in the area - in terms of the on-going attraction of the city to both visitors, businesses, and potential population growth - which brings benefit. It also does not take into account ancillary benefits that are difficult to measure long-term.

    The point of upgrading the stadium is for future SB hosting but even more so for the benefit of both the fans and the home team in terms of game experience, energy, noise, etc. And, that benefits the team as well as the community in multiple ways - both economically and other non-economic benefits.

    Any discussion about stadium upgrades or new builds cannot proceed on the basis of SBs only. That's just a part of the overall equation. So, any study about those exclusively (versus the overall benefit of a professional team to the city - in a myriad of ways), does not address the point of this discussion.
     
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