Speaking of injury prone QBs, Anthony Richardson is out after injuring his hip. I'm not sold that he's actually a workable QB to start with, but he also doesn't seem like he will be able to make it through a season.
I think a lot depends on the individual. But Richardson is a guy who looks like he attempts to make contact instead of avoiding it and, yeah, no bueno. There are running QBs who are successful though. Even if they may have a somewhat shorter overall career, it's probably a good tradeoff for a team. The issue is the ones that seek contact and get taken out.
After he took a big hit, the Colts called a qb run and he got hurt again and didn’t come back. At first I was questioning the OC’s sanity, but him passing is a pretty scary proposition. That INT he threw last week would be the worst pass of the year if it wasn’t for Will Levis the week prior.
I don’t know. All the years I’ve watched football, I’ve seen running quarterbacks from Tarkington, Elway, Cunningham, McMahon, Young, Vick, McNair, McNabb, Griffin III…with the exception of Elway and Vick (who had a break due to the department of corrections), a lot of those quarterbacks didn’t have long careers and most didn’t get a Super Bowl ring. When you look at running quarterbacks today…Jackson, Murray, Allen, Richardson, Mahomes…3 of those have have significant injuries that have (or will) caused them to miss a lot of games. I just don’t have a lot of faith in the proverbial running quarterback. The odds are not in their favor.
I'm here myself. I prefer the historical prototype pocket passer. Give me a big accurate arm, and a quick release. After that if he can run when he has to and make plays on the run that should just be the icing on the cake, not the whole cake. That said Tarkington had a very long career.
Longevity doesn't matter if you don't win a SB. I'd take Mahomes any day. Also, don't forget that most starting QBs never win a SB. It's not just running QBs. Pointing out that most running QBs don't win SBs without also pointing out most pocket passers don't win QBs skews the perception a bit.
Josh Allen is definitely an outlier in that regard but I've no doubts he's going to get injured at some point. The Ravens were hammering him every chance they got last night and he was on the side line trying to keep his arm warmed up at one point, no doubt he got dinged on it.
I don't think Mahomes is a running QB, he's a pocket passer who can scramble imho. He's like the perfect mixture of both, he can kill you from the pocket as he's good at reading defenses and has a very accurate arm but he can also hurt you with his legs when he's tiptoeing down the side line trying to draw a flag out of defenders.
Or the Dolphins played with fire and got burned. This is really no different than the NFL hammering the Patriots on Deflategate because they went easy on Spygate. Miami brought the scrutiny by how they handled everything a season and a half ago.
The only thing they can be accused of doing wrong in 2022 is letting him finish the Bills but if he was actually cleared what were they supposed to do?
Not sure how you can come to that conclusion because every concussion since then has had the player sit at least 1 game and Tua was out for 5 games and then the season. The Dolphins are the only team doing this. If you are referring to Tua playing in Cincinnati after the Buffalo game well Tua cleared all the concussion protocols after Buffalo and was never diagnosed with one. They can't be punishing them for that since we've seen stuff like the Mahomes one I posted and Derek Carr getting 2 in 3 weeks and not missing a game. Why weren't the Saints hammered for Carr's second concussion? This is what I was worried about with Tua going to IR. From what I've read he's had no symptoms since 3 days after the concussion and he's wanting to play again. Instead we have to ruin our season just so it doesn't look like the big bad Dolphins are throwing a player out there who had a concussion.
By listening to the armchair neurologists here, in the media, and on X, of course. Lol In reality, and until we have better testing measures for the brain, a concussion is “healed” when a player’s testing measurements are back to baseline and they are symptom free. For all intents and purposes, Tua is “healed” because he’s showing no symptoms (according to reports) and has been allowed to travel cross country, attend games, go to practices, etc. Now, if a neurologist, or even he himself, wants to rest longer I think that’s reasonable. However, for someone like Staietacos to just make up stuff is absurd.
Thank you for an informative response. Still curious though what Dr. Stale would say the difference is between being symptom free and healed. Something like Einhorn is Finkle would be relatable to the correct response.
That would be for the doctors to determine. The doctors that Tua saw, not Twitter doctors, made the decision to put Tua on the IR for a reason. Symptom free in concussions doesn't mean healed when it comes to brain injuries. This is basic. First step will be rest, and then there's a plethora of other steps and evaluations to go through before he comes back on the field. But the doctors very clearly wanted his brain to rest for a long time. You should watch the video of the NFL player that wanted to come back after a month of being symptom free, and then went temporarily blind during a wine tasting. They want Tua's brain to be well rested. There's no league conspiracy here.
How do you think the "optics" would be if Tua had played the next week, and got a concussion? How will the "optics" be if Tua gets another concussion in any game? Like Stale said, that video where the guy recounts going temporarily blind, after a month with no symptoms since a concussion. I thin you guys are way too flippant about these concussions. I know it's not YOU getting the concussions, but still.
Tua was put on IR to avoid the media constantly asking everyone in the building when Tua will be back. He still hadn't even met with neurologists before the team decided put him on the shelf. The team could have sat Tua as long as they wanted without putting him on IR. It was a knee jerk reaction imo.
Or it creates a quiet environment for your player. Putting him on IR was a good move, imo. If you want him to rest you do that.
I have no issues with putting Tua on IR. He is clearly the only one close to available that can make this offense go. He also has issues with staying healthy. Let him be out for 4 weeks. Let him get fat too, order pizza every night for those 4 weeks. Extra cheese. Keep him in the pocket. "Throw the ball away and live another day" needs to be tattooed on the inside of his eyelids if he continues playing.
He went to Disney on Ice the next day and flew to Seattle the following week. What chew talking bout Willis?
Again, people are just talking nonsense here. When symptoms are gone and a player returns to baseline on cognitive and physical tests they are considered healed. If Tua is going out, flying cross country, attending practice and games it seems both of these things have been met. Again, I think it’s reasonable to rest a player for as long as the docs and players want to be rested. What’s weird is that knee jerk reaction to be placed on IR before seeing a specialist. This is 100% the doings of the league. Tua is the only person being talked about regarding concussions and he’s far from the only player who has had multiple concussions. What new are seeing is Tua haters that want him to fail so they can still be “right” in their assessment of him. Even after seeing his this team looks with and without Tua they still think he’s not good enough. It’s quite sad that they go to these lengths in order to try and save face.
Quiet, as in not having the media demanding Tua play, or hounding Tua it other players/coaches about his status etc etc. Wasn't referring to the actual volume of something.
I agree that placing Tua on IR on Monday was a knee jerk reaction and utterly insane! Now, while the team could HONESTLY say, "we were looking out for Tua and his overall well being...", why would you make THAT call prior to him seeing any specialists? Prior to having an MRI and the assorted battery of tests that are administered by neurologists? The human body is an incredible machine. We all know of people in our own lives who heal from injuries quickly and those who take FOREVER to heal. Some people never seem to get hurt and others are hurt easily. Hell, I'm at the point now that if I just look at my skin wrong, I bruise and bleed easily. Yes, that's an apples to oranges comparison but the point being, some folks may get hurt qutie easily in a certain way more easily than someone else and its not unreasonable that same person can recover from same injury faster than someone else. Not saying it is or isn't but isn't POSSIBLE Tua could have a severe reaction (fencing motion) to a MILD concussion that others would just get up, shake it off and go right back into the game? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe Tua did get his melon SQUASHED in Cincinnati and against Buffalo and COULD just heal that quickly. Maybe? Maybe not. When charting a course of action...ANY course of action, it's always best to weigh all of the facts and circumstances prior to doing so, and the Dolphins didn't do that. They instantly placed Tua on IR, forcing him to sit for 4 GAMES. Could Tua play next week against the Patriots? Maybe, maybe not. Could Tua play the following game against Indianapolis? Maybe, maybe not, but by placing Tua on IR, the Dolphins have hamstrung themselves. They could have just ruled Tua OUT for at least a game or two, to ascertain the actual medical facts by specialists before pulling the trigger on IR. Not a wise move in my opinion.
Most reasonable people feel this way. And most reasonable people understand that the IR decision was the NFL’s doing because Tua is their new poster child for “We care about player safety” mantra. I mean, it’s possible that this was Tua’s decision. I doubt that if he was against being placed in IR that the Dolphins would have been able to force the IR. I find it hard to believe that Tua would make that decision without even seeing a specialist. In fact, it seems like with his actions post injury (going out, being at the facilities daily, flying cross country, etc) that he’s silently sticking it to the NFL for the forced IR. Bottom line, the Dolphins are treated differently when one of their players suffers (or even doesn’t suffer) from a concussion.
I think a lot of the people that have this opinion have it because they just want Tua to play and are frustrated with how bad the team is playing. The comparisons to other players ignores that Tua was out for longer than most players in 2022 and then considered retirement. His situation is just different and I think we all know it. Also the same reason the NFL itself would want him to be placed on IR is something the Dolphins themselves would have. It would be really bad and look really bad if he just went back out right away and got concussed again. Dolphins wouldn't really need to be forced. Its a situation where the optics match the reality.
I think the fact that he was out longer is just proof that the NFL, instead of medical professionals, dictated his recovery. The reports of his “considering” retirement was also hyperbole. Follow up reports show that his “consideration” was nothing more than his mom asking him to retire and him saying “no”. To put it in other words, it would be like me asking Jessica Alba to marry me, her considering that offer, and then saying “no”. If you give an answer that is considering the question or suggestion.
Just want to address this part. How do you know this exactly? How do you know he didn't see doctors and specialist prior to the decision? Or get a phone call from his doctors that previously treated him? Or saw in-house doctors? I saw the report that Tua had an appointment with a specialist after the IR decision. However, that doesn't mean there wasn't discussion with other doctors prior to the decision and it was just made purely for optics. "OUTSIDE NEUROLOGIST" being the key phrase here.
Per NFL rules, there's a independent neurological consultant assigned to the team and on the sidelines of each game.
How do I know this? Common sense! Tua was concussed Thursday evening September 12th. Friday, September 12th Saturday September 13th Sunday September 14th Monday, September 15th Tuesday, September 16th, places on IR. Now here’s where common sense applies. Have you ever called to make a doctors appointment? Your chances of getting in within a few days is slim. For a specialist, it take an even longer, at least a few weeks. Now with Tua being a multimillionaire and a professional football player, I’m sure he was able to get an appointment by Wednesday, after he was placed on IR. But anyone who thinks Tua could just walk in to see a neurologist on Monday morning as if someone was walking into a McDonald’s and ordering a cheeseburger lacks God’s gift of pure old fashioned common sense.
Bro. We aren't millionaire NFL players with billionaire owners. There's literally MULTIPLE neurologists on the sidelines: "Three unaffiliated neurotrauma consultants attend every NFL game—two are on the sidelines and one is in a booth above the field—as part of an agreement between the NFL and the NFL Players Association (NFLPA). The NFLPA and the NFL's Head, Neck, and Spine Committee select the consultants, who work with team physicians to identify, screen for, and diagnose concussions."
I stopped reading after your first sentence. I doubt any of these independent neurologists on the sidelines at football games have their entire clinic’s facilities right there with them on the sidelines, or even in the stadium locker rooms. Once again, common sense.
