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Dolphins Survivor: 2009

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, May 3, 2009.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No, I don't think it's a major stretch. I think it's much more of a stretch for you to be in here arguing that Pennington has a strong arm. He doesn't. He can't throw out patterns with enough zip, and he can't throw the deep ball with much zip. He gets it done in other ways, and that's fine, but a player like Ginn suffers because of Pennington's limitations. It's really that simple.
     
  2. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    But to say that Ginn would breakout under a quarterback that is better suited for his strengths is to make a prediction based on nothing other than potential. We haven't seen it, we don't know it will happen.. hypothetical hyperbole.
     
  3. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    When did I say that? Do all quarterbacks that can't make all the throws have "weak arms?" Is there no inbetween weak and strong?
     
  4. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Back to voting...


    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [54]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [29]
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6] - ROOKIE
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]+ Did great things for us
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [4]
    Joey Porter [20]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  5. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55] + Can't we please just appreciate the best QB we've had since Marino?
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [28] - Time to RICO act the TGM.
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [4]
    Joey Porter [20]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  6. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    notice, Gish is quiet, Ginn's totals go down...
     
  7. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27] -
    Ronnie Brown [75] +
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [4]
    Joey Porter [20]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13][/QUOTE]
     
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  8. Jackson

    Jackson Bruce Banner

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [28] +
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]-
    Joey Porter [20]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  9. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    "You wanna know how to get Gish? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get Gish. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?"
     
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  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No, it's not totally based on potential...it's based on what I, and others, saw last year. That is, we saw times when Ginn had his guy beat, and was just too far downfield for Pennington to feel comfortable throwing it, so he didn't. Even when he did throw the deep ball to Ginn, it wasn't always on target...see the Buffalo game, when Ginn had to come back and make a great catch on a pass that should have been an easy TD, as Ginn had his man beat badly. Point is, there were plenty of times last season when a QB other than Pennington could have made some big plays with a pass downfield.
     
  11. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Well, it's hard to see the pass pattern downfield, watching the game on TV... were you at the games?
     
  12. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [29] +
    Ronnie Brown [74] -
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [20]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  13. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    are we down to 4 players yet? this is taking forever.....

    I'm Al Capone *****!!!!!

    [​IMG]
     
  14. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Do you know what a blood oath is Mr. Paul 13?
     
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  15. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [28] - So afraid of contact he doesn't even return kicks any more.
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21] + Licking his chops with the return of 99.
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  16. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    wow, ignorance and groundless speculation taken to a whole new level. the rest of the world just became smarter in comparison to that comment.

    rest of the world [1] +
    Vengeful Odin [0] -
     
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  17. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [54]-
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [29] +
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [6]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [7]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  18. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [54]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [29]
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [5]- I will argue it untill they are all gone. No more Rooks!
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8] + Would of had a special season if he hadnt gotten hurt before the end.
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  19. Dolfan984

    Dolfan984 Underrated Free Agent

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55] +
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [28] -
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [5]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  20. JDelenne

    JDelenne Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [55]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [28]
    Ronnie Brown [75] +++
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [4]----
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  21. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Just a reminder: Count currently stands in favor of adding JT into the contest at a 4 - 3 vote. He will either be added or won't be added tomorrow morning. Speak now or forever hold your peace.
     
  22. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]+++
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27]--- I heard he was so scared of contact that he wore his shoulder pads to a non contact practice last year.
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [4]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  23. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Don't worry, once Teddy is gone, it will go rather smoothly. It's like taking a giant turd, once you get past the initial stages, the rest flies right on out.
     
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  24. His'nBeatYour'n

    His'nBeatYour'n Glass Ceiling Repairman

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27]
    Ronnie Brown [76] +++
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [3] ---
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  25. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [57]+
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [26]-
    Ronnie Brown [76]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [3]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  26. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    so when are gonna form a bandwagon to counter the Ted Ginn mafia?
     
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  27. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i vote no on JT
     
  28. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Yes on adding JT
     
  29. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Well.... we haven't officially formed one yet... we've come up with a name that has a nice ring to it, the UnTEDables... a play on the title of the movie "The Untouchables"... If I had to compile a list of participants...

    Myself
    MonstBlitz
    Vengeful Odin
    Dol-fan Dupree
    wpgfishfan

    that's what I can see so far being the most active against Teddy Ginn. Anyone can join, as long as they show their loyalty to the cause of making sure Ginn doesn't win this. From there, you are free to vote for whomever you wish... break the Mafia, regain the streets, freedom for all.
     
  30. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I saw it a number of times in replays.
     
  31. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56] - Cause he can't throw it to the best receiver on the team
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27] + Cause he's the best receiver on the team
    Ronnie Brown [76]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [3]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  32. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    Didnt Ronnie Brown have one last year? It came down to him and Teddy last year...
     
  33. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You can officially count me in. Even though I was a Ted Ginn fan, am a Ted Ginn fan, and always will be (as long as he's a Dolphin) a Ted Ginn fan, I do not think he's worthy of the title this year.

    Do you think we'll be able to talk Gish into making us an UnTEDable sig? :lol:
     
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  34. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [57] + He throws it to all the WRs on the team.
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [26] -
    Ronnie Brown [76]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [3]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  35. Phinz420

    Phinz420 New Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27] +
    Ronnie Brown [76]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [2]-
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [51]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
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  36. giovafin

    giovafin Rossonero

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    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27]
    Ronnie Brown [75] -
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [2]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [3]
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [52] +
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  37. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I get the Ted Ginn fandom. I really do. But what I don't get is blaming Chad Pennington for Ted not being a better WR. That's borderline insanity. What makes Ted Ginn have such a special skill set that he's being limited by Pennington while other WRs have thrived? Wayne Chrebet, Laverneous Coles, Santanna Moss, Jericho Cotchery, Greg Camarillo, and even Ted Ginn himself to a certain degree. The guy led our team to an AFC championship title. And don't kid yourself, it was his arm, however weak some of you may perceive it to be that got us there.

    So I buy the argument that he's a good receiver who will get better. But the whole, "Chad Pennington is holding him back" argument is a crock of ****, IMHO.
     
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  38. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    I wasnt going to get involved in this whole war thing with Ginn but this is the WORST arguement i have ever seen. I hope you aren't even remotely serious on this. Pennington spreads the ball around fairly and if sometimes he doesnt take chances on Ginn its because he feels he is not quite reliable YET and may cause a turnover. May i remind you that it is because Pennington did not turn it over that we won so many games.
     
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  39. FinsAreLife

    FinsAreLife Well-Known Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [27]
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [1] - almost down to one more rook.
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [4]+ More valuable than people realize
    Joey Porter [21]
    Justin Smiley [6]
    Kendall Langford [11]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [52]
    Anthony Fasano [10]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [8]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [13]
     
  40. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [16]
    Ted Ginn [26] - Runs out of bounds after he catches the ball. Grow a pair.
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [18]
    Will Allen [11]
    Gibril Wilson [9]
    Sean Smith [1]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Lousaka Polite [7]
    Yeremiah Bell [16]
    Patrick Cobbs [8]
    Channing Crowder [4]
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