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Dolphins Survivor: 2009

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by MonstBlitz, May 3, 2009.

  1. Mile High Fin

    Mile High Fin New Member

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    FYI, I'm not on either "side" of the Ginn debate.

    I think most fans' thoughts can be summarized as:

    Ginn is good (considering only 2 years of NFL experience)
    Ginn has potential to bust out
    Ginn doesn't deserve to be the 2009 Dolphins Survivor.
     
  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    What would you say about his roster status? You think he's in danger of getting cut? Not a chance.
     
  3. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    geee, which of those 3 is completely absurd.
     
  4. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    You gotta play to contribute.
    You gotta compete to play.
    You gotta be healthy to compete.
     
  5. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Is 3.5 catches and 49 yards per game your idea of "contributing"?

    Just curious.
     
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  6. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You can't deny that Bess benefited GREATLY from running routes that kept him in Pennington's comfort zone. That is my point. If you had Ginn in the slot, he'd have done the same thing, probably better actually, IMO, than Bess or Cam. However, you could NOT put Bess or Cam on the outside, in Ginn's position and have them have the production that Ginn had last year.

    Are you REALLY arguing that Ginn's speed downfield didn't have a factor in keeping the defenders back, and thereby benefiting Bess and Cam? Really?
     
  7. Mile High Fin

    Mile High Fin New Member

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    "Completely absurd"??????

    When there's choices like:
    Ronnie Brown
    Chad Pennington
    Jake Long
    Joey Porter
    Tony Sparano
    etc

    If you can't see that, I cannot help you.
    Remember, I'm not on either "side". I'm being objective. Ginn would be my 5-6 choice......out of 53 players.......is pretty darn high..........but not Sole Survivor.
     
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  8. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Sparano said something that sent up a flag (for me at least) when questioned about the players returning from injury coming into this season. I have the audio clip, and here's the transcription.....

    RADIO GUY: "Can I ask you about the health of some of some of your players? Particularly Donald Thomas, Justin Smiley and Camarillo. What do you know about them?"

    SPARANO: "Well, they're doin' well right now. I mean they're all rehabbing from their injuries, and doin' well at this particular time. But, you know, we really try to not, ah, comment on the injury thing. But, ah, they're all doin pretty well and a few of them are ahead of schedule at this time."

    RADIO GUY: "Do you expect them back for training camp?"

    SPARANO: "Ahhhhh (pauses), I would say that aaaaa....(stalling)....I would expect ah, um.......a couple of them back for training camp."


    That sounds to me like one of those three will not be back at the start of camp. One can only speculate that it is most likely Camarillo, with an outside chance that its Smiley. We drafted 2 mid round WRs. That means 2 WRs "need" to go from the roster. Perhaps those 2 are Cam and Wilford. I would not be surpirsed even in the smallest of measurements if that happened.
     
  9. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    More than Bess, Camarillo, Fasano, and Martin. None of them contributed either huh?

    Why you gotta keep twisting stats to suit your needs?
     
  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    To be honest, I think that if you take Ginn out of our offense, our entire offense is immediately handcuffed. Without Ginn out there to stretch the field, then teams can just stuff the box...hurts our run game, and hurts our "studly" receivers of Bess and Cam. Without Ginn to worry about, defenses would no longer have to worry about a deep threat...neither Cam nor Bess possess the necessary speed to be a legitimate deep threat.
     
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  11. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    what are you talking about? one of those options said that Ginn doesnt deserve to even be in this contest. That is absurd.


    Please stop screaming. :shifty:
     
  12. Coral Reefer

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    Chad Pennington [56] -
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [20]
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [14]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [4]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [59] +
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [14]
     
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  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    This is pretty much where I stand. The only difference is that I, along with others, have come to the realization that if there is a group of people who will vote in concerted action for Ted Ginn, and eventually vote in concerted action against other players there has to be people voting in concerted action against Ginn, otherwise he will run away with the title again. Take a look at what happened last year. Ginn was down and out but the mafia organized and stormed back. I was part of it. That year, I felt Ginn had the promise to be worthy of the title. This year I think he has still has promise, maybe more than last year, but our roster has been stacked with so much other talent that he doesn't stack up, IMHO.

    I really hope Gish and company are proven right with their claims of Ginn in year 3. I've said it before and I'll say it again. I don't doubt he could have a huge 3rd year. And when he does he'll earn at least some of my votes in 2010. And I have voted for Ginn a few times this year as well.

    But no more explaining my position. I think all of us "UnTEDables" have made it clear we are Ginn fans at heart.

    May the best Dolphin win!
     
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  14. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Ted Ginn will make you pay.
     
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  15. pennphinfan

    pennphinfan Stelin Canez Arcade Scorz

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [21] + down to 20? no more messin around now.
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [13] -
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [4]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [59]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [14]
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [20] -
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [5] +
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [59]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [14]
     
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  17. wpgfishfan

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [19] -
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [5]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [59]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]+++++
     
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  18. JDelenne

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [19]
    Ronnie Brown [76]+++
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [4] ----
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [59]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
  19. Jackson

    Jackson Bruce Banner

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [20] +
    Ronnie Brown [76
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [3] ----
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [59]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
  20. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    An UnTEDables sig? :shifty:

    [​IMG]
     
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  21. aboome

    aboome Resident Madden God Club Member

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [19] -
    Ronnie Brown [76
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [3]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]+++
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15][/QUOTE]
     
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  22. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Actually ... in his 11 games Camarillo averaged 5 catches for 56 yards per game ... extrapolated out over a full 16 game season that's 80 catches for nearly 1000 yards.
     
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  23. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [20] +
    Ronnie Brown [75] -
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [3]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
  24. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Chad Henne [19]+
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [20]
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [2]-
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [12]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
  25. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Chad Henne [19]
    Chad Pennington [56]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [19] - Sorry Ted. But your time is up.
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [2]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [13] + Showed growth as an OLB. Deserves some love. May finally put it all together this year.
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
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  26. Dolfan984

    Dolfan984 Underrated Free Agent

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    Chad Henne [18]
    Chad Pennington [57] +
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [17] -
    Ronnie Brown [76
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [3]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [13]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
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  27. The G Man

    The G Man Git 'r doooonnne!!!

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    Oops...I think three of us just posted at the same time. Now what?

    EDIT: OK, I fixed mine...
     
  28. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    I fixed mine ... the one after that needs fixing. Let me fix it real quick.
     
  29. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    Correct count.

    Chad Henne [19]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [18]
    Ronnie Brown [75]
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [2]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [13]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
  30. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Chad Henne [19]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [19] +
    Ronnie Brown [74]-
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [2]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [60]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [13]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
  31. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i couldn't resist giving Ginn vote #19! LOL
     
  32. GISH

    GISH ~mUST wARN oTHERS~

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    woah, calm down buddy. you can do your extrapolating in private. Cam got injured. Ted is the guy that stepped it up in week 17 to win the division while Cam was on IR.
     
  33. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Chad Henne [19]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [18] - I heard they are making his bubble outfit as streamlined as possible, so as to not slow down the speedster
    Ronnie Brown [74]
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [2]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [61]+
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [13]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
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  34. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Chad Henne [19]
    Chad Pennington [57]
    Davone Bess [15]
    Ted Ginn [17] -
    Ronnie Brown [75] +
    Vontae Davis [13]
    Will Allen [12]
    Ricky Williams [13]
    Yeremiah Bell [18]
    Patrick Cobbs [11]
    Joey Porter [27]
    Justin Smiley [2]
    Kendall Langford [12]
    Vernon Carey [13]
    Jake Long [61]
    Anthony Fasano [11]
    Greg Camarillo [8]
    Jason Ferguson [9]
    Phillip Merling [11]
    Matt Roth [13]
    Tony Sparano [18]
    Jason Taylor [15]
     
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  35. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Actually, you've got it backwards. They are going to make him run routes with a parachute so he doesn't speed out of "Pennigton's range."
     
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  36. Vengeful Odin

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    With 2 catches?

    I don't want to nitpick, but it was technically Anthony Fasano who won that game and caught the eventual winning score from Pennington.

    I'll give you the KC game, with 4 catches for 44 yards and an end around, but what about before that?

    Ginn didn't really carry us in Week 14, with 1 catch for 18 yards, and Week 15, with 2 catches for 6 yards, at a time when we were fighting for our playoff lives.
     
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  37. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    why did you trade a second round pick for the man then (in our 2009 GM league)
     
  38. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    It is likely that if Cam is not ready to go, that he is placed on some type of PUP list... which is different than being flat out released.
     
  39. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Beastly... thanks!
     
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  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    I actually believe that Cam is going to be released.

    Hartline = New Younger Quicker Cam
     

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