Dolphins Training Camp 2014

"RoninFin4 wrote:

I iterated that I was impressed with him coming out of the scrimmage, which also was in the first week of August with multiple weapons hurt, and in a new offense. It just seems like par for the course that Tannehill looks really good, then can/will have a bad day or two right after. We've seen it in the regular season his first two years.

I really do like Tannehill and *I think* he can be "the guy", and for my money he's better than Andy Dalton as was the hot topic yesterday, but consistency is his Achilles Heel at this point.

I mean I agree, hes not proven to be this world beater. However, I gotta take these reporters word as a grain of salt. Everyones rushing to tweet info first, without any explanation if a receiver fell, ran a wrong route, defender made a great play (ya they're paid millions to play defense too), pressure in his face, coaches dictated the throw to see how a WR would come back to the ball etc.

There are sooooo many intangibles working here. This could've been 7 on 7.....right half of the field, and the defense has all of the advantage because they know the balls going to one 1/2 of the field, and its a pass. Who knows! The reporters suck at giving any extra info. Its tweets of real quick "Finnegan pick on Tannehill".....with no context at all.

"SICK wrote:

I mean I agree, hes not proven to be this world beater. However, I gotta take these reporters word as a grain of salt. Everyones rushing to tweet info first, without any explanation if a receiver fell, ran a wrong route, defender made a great play (ya they're paid millions to play defense too), pressure in his face, coaches dictated the throw to see how a WR would come back to the ball etc.

There are sooooo many intangibles working here. This could've been 7 on 7.....right half of the field, and the defense has all of the advantage because they know the balls going to one 1/2 of the field, and its a pass. Who knows! The reporters suck at giving any extra info. Its tweets of real quick "Finnegan pick on Tannehill".....with no context at all.

Yea, 7 on 7 picks are less of an issue to me than 11 on 11. You don't like to see picks in either grouping, but you kind of know what to expect (as a defense) in 7 on 7.

"Stitches wrote:

Yea, 7 on 7 picks are less of an issue to me than 11 on 11. You don't like to see picks in either grouping, but you kind of know what to expect (as a defense) in 7 on 7.

Exactly. And I've noticed them giving Tannehill end of practice stats of TD or INT on one on one passing drills. You can't include either of those. That's so lame haha.

Wish they would provide the details on who Tannehill is throwing to. All they report is INT to blah DB. Want to know what they are working on. We know Lazor is continuing to push for faster, riskier plays where it's as important for the receiver to make a play as it is for the QB to make a quality throw.

Also this... won't miss Daniel Thomas at all. Good opportunity for other guys.

The team announced Tuesday morning that starting defensive end and 2013 sack leader Olivier Vernon has a back injury and is expected to miss multiple practices. Vernon suffered the injury during Monday's practice and didn't finish the session.

Vernon was the biggest name added to Miami's injury list Tuesday. However, backup running back Daniel Thomas (hamstring) and backup tight ends Michael Egnew (concussion) and Gator Hoskins (hamstring) also will miss multiple practices.

Do not expect any of these aforementioned players to participate in Friday's preseason opener against the Atlanta Falcons.

"Linus wrote:

What looks like a "bad throw" can also be miscommunication/mistiming on new plays they're finishing up installing. In the scrimmage they probably went with the plays they were used to/have practiced enough and Tannehill had, by most accounts, his best practice of the year. I am guilty of reading all the practice tweets, but it is definitely too much at times.

Exactly....this offense is a timing offense where Tannehill throws to spots where receivers are supposed to be. This has to be practiced over and over and mistakes are gonna happen. There is no way to know really what was being practiced....if it was a bad throw..bad route...etc. Im sure some have been bad throws....but its practice...its more for 17 to get the offense down...get used to throwing to areas rather then just to an open reciever...etc

"VanDolPhan wrote:

@chrisperk 36m
T'hill throwing nice downfield passes today...ball has purpose and touch.

Really all you need to hear today to know things are going well.

Also interesting. CK I think you called it earlier that this might start happening at LG:

@chrisperk 15m
LG is Shelley Smith...LT Albert, C Satele, RG Thomas, RT James. For now. Always qualifier w/this OL.

That gives me some hope.

Honestly I know that Daryn Colledge has played his entire career at left guard and maybe that would make him being a right guard the biggest of follies, however the dude IS a veteran with a sh-t ton of skins on the wall...whereas guys like Billy Turner and Dallas Thomas are complete newbs. Thomas spent his whole Tennessee career on the left side and Turner spent his whole FCS career at left tackle. Why do we ask them to move to right guard out of necessity, instead of the dude with all the experience who is experienced enough to handle odd situations?

They key in all this is as I said a long time ago, Shelley Smith's strength-weakness specific profile makes him best suited at left guard. The generalized strength-weakness profile (strong run blocker, weak pass protector) makes you think right guard, but when you get into the specifics I believe you see that he's actually side-dominant. I think he needs to be on one side versus the other in order to play well. That sucks and you prefer more versatile players but that doesn't mean you can't make good use of him. You're getting what you paid for, and you didn't pay that much.

My best hope for this line involves Shelley Smith playing at left guard and it working like I think it could. Also involves a speedy recovery for Pouncey of course, and JaWuan James being a strong rookie right tackle a la Mitchell Schwartz from a few years back with Cleveland. I don't know if there's ever going to be an ideal answer out of right guard in 2014 unless the light bulb comes on for Billy Turner which seems far-fetched.

As for Tannehill continuing his streakiness, color me unsurprised. So much of his criticism is not well-founded, but streakiness and stretches of poor decision-making and execution are criticisms that are very well-founded.

its really disappointing that probably so many guys wont make it for friday, wallace and clay for sure will be out, hartline is on the sideline basically all week, he won't suit up as well i guess, at least landry will play and matthews

Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

Tannehill on INTs: “A couple of them we’re trying throws against coverages that we haven’t done.”


Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill: “Some throws we’re just trying 2 make in practice 2 c see if it’s something we want to move on w/during (con't)


Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill (con't): "during the season. We have other answers on the plays but the coaching staff wants to




Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill (con't): "take a look at throws against different coverages and see if we can complete them.


Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill (con't): "I think we’ve come to the conclusion we’re going to move on to another route.”

Disappointed that Gator Hoskins likely won't play.

Omar Kelly @OmarKelly · 1 min

Ryan Tannehill said the flurry of interceptions lately are caused by the team working in new route combos vs different coverages.

"Brasfin wrote:

Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

Tannehill on INTs: “A couple of them we’re trying throws against coverages that we haven’t done.”


Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill: “Some throws we’re just trying 2 make in practice 2 c see if it’s something we want to move on w/during (con't)


Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill (con't): "during the season. We have other answers on the plays but the coaching staff wants to




Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill (con't): "take a look at throws against different coverages and see if we can complete them.


Chris Perkins @chrisperk ·

T'hill (con't): "I think we’ve come to the conclusion we’re going to move on to another route.”

That's disappointing.

"Brasfin wrote:

Omar Kelly @OmarKelly · 1 min

Ryan Tannehill said the flurry of interceptions lately are caused by the team working in new route combos vs different coverages.

Yup. I think folks also missed early on in the tweets where one of the reporters was saying that the team was running a "lot" more situational stuff compared to other practices.

"ckparrothead wrote:

As for Tannehill continuing his streakiness, color me unsurprised. So much of his criticism is not well-founded, but streakiness and stretches of poor decision-making and execution are criticisms that are very well-founded.

I think a lot of young QB's have these sorts of games. I can't check right now, but if I recall Tannehill had 4 games last year with multiple interceptions? Similar numbers in his rookie year too.

Peyton Manning had a bunch of years with 4+ multi-interception games, and he'd sprinkle in 4,5,6 INT games if I remember correctly. Brees has had multiple 2+ INT games in several seasons. Luck had turnover-happy games in the postseason. The difference being these guys started increasing their TDs/yards/wins/Playoff appearances and we forget it a little bit.

I don't disagree that it'd be good to see some more consistency....but without Tannehill improving at all, a few less sacks, a couple more deep balls connected (by luck or skill) and his stats compare pretty closely to those kinds of guys in their first few years.

And this isn't an excuse...but I would like to see the number of interceptions he threw at the end of each half when he was throwing a hail mary or trying to do something on a 4th and 28. I can think of a couple, but I just remember thinking it was an inordinate amount compared to all the other Dolphins QBs over the years who wouldn't even attempt them.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

Yup. I think folks also missed early on in the tweets where one of the reporters was saying that the team was running a "lot" more situational stuff compared to other practices.

I find that disappointing. Coaches don't just try stuff for no reason. They don't suddenly say hey let's throw passes to the flat against tampa two.

It seems to me they're trying out new stuff (i.e. stuff Bill Lazor is bringing with him from Philadelphia) and seeing if their players can execute it. They threw a couple of interceptions trying to execute it and now Tannehill is basically saying that's done, we're throwing that stuff out and going back to the normal ways we know to beat those coverages.

Considering how much people around here WANT to see change compared with the ways we were beating those coverages under Sherman, and the ways Tannehill has been beating those coverages since Texas A&M...I would say that's a little disappointing.

"ckparrothead wrote:

I find that disappointing. Coaches don't just try stuff for no reason. They don't suddenly say hey let's throw passes to the flat against tampa two.

It seems to me they're trying out new stuff (i.e. stuff Bill Lazor is bringing with him from Philadelphia) and seeing if their players can execute it. They threw a couple of interceptions trying to execute it and now Tannehill is basically saying that's done, we're throwing that stuff out and going back to the normal ways we know to beat those coverages.

Considering how much people around here WANT to see change compared with the ways we were beating those coverages under Sherman, and the ways Tannehill has been beating those coverages since Texas A&M...I would say that's a little disappointing.

I'm sure it's obviously hard for you to speculate... but what may be an example you think that they could be referring to? What type of coverage/route combo do you think that the team or Tannehill specifically would have trouble beating tht instead would lead to INTs?

"ckparrothead wrote:

I find that disappointing. Coaches don't just try stuff for no reason. They don't suddenly say hey let's throw passes to the flat against tampa two.

It seems to me they're trying out new stuff (i.e. stuff Bill Lazor is bringing with him from Philadelphia) and seeing if their players can execute it. They threw a couple of interceptions trying to execute it and now Tannehill is basically saying that's done, we're throwing that stuff out and going back to the normal ways we know to beat those coverages.

Considering how much people around here WANT to see change compared with the ways we were beating those coverages under Sherman, and the ways Tannehill has been beating those coverages since Texas A&M...I would say that's a little disappointing.

Your reading into it a bit much when your saying they are throwing stuff out. He never says that. PBP has it as:

Tannehill said after practice that the team added some new plays today and that they’d become “second nature in a couple of weeks” and that the mistakes “won’t happen again.”
http://dailydolphin.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2014/08/05/miami-dolphins-practice-report-michael-egnew-daniel-thomas-gator-hoskins-olivier-vernon-out/

Maybe he meant more of that they were done with that route for that time and that they will get back to it later.

Bleh we really need to fast forward to a game with them playing at least a quarter. Be nice to see this live. Were definitely missing our guys being at camp to get their view. Speaking of.......are you going anytime soon?

"FinNasty wrote:

I'm sure it's obviously hard for you to speculate... but what may be an example you think that they could be referring to? What type of coverage/route combo do you think that the team or Tannehill specifically would have trouble beating tht instead would lead to INTs?

Way too hard to speculate.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

Your reading into it a bit much when your saying they are throwing stuff out. He never says that. PBP has it as:

Not really. Here is his EXACT statement:

"It's a combination of a bunch of stuff," the Dolphins starting quarterback said in explaning the issues. "Some throws we're trying to make in practice to see if we want to move on with them during the season. We have other answers on the plays, but the coaching staff wants to look at some throws against different coverages and see if we can complete them. I think we've come to the conclusion we're going to move on to another route."

Right there. Plain print.

Maybe he meant more of that they were done with that route for that time and that they will get back to it later.

Are you really suggesting this because you think it's actually true? Or are you just playing devil's advocate.

"ckparrothead wrote:

Not really. Here is his EXACT statement:

Right there. Plain print.

Are you really suggesting this because you think it's actually true? Or are you just playing devil's advocate.

I'm suggesting it because the quote your sticking on is not a definitive quote. It's one of those quotes a reporter should really jump on and get a clearer answer. But in no way is that quote a 'throwing it out' statement.

"VanDolPhan wrote:

I'm suggesting it because the quote your sticking on is not a definitive quote. It's one of those quotes a reporter should really jump on and get a clearer answer. But in no way is that quote a 'throwing it out' statement.

This suggests to me that you're just being argumentative. What do you really believe it means?

"VanDolPhan wrote:

I'm suggesting it because the quote your sticking on is not a definitive quote. It's one of those quotes a reporter should really jump on and get a clearer answer. But in no way is that quote a 'throwing it out' statement.

"ckparrothead wrote:

This suggests to me that you're just being argumentative. What do you really believe it means?

Why don't you guys listen to it straight from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Tannehill-Talks-At-Training-Camp/6bb1f35e-58d9-45df-9d94-159d0bee6372

I think he did mean that they might want to see a different approach, but I don't find it necessarily "disapponting" as you put it CK... I just think Lazor is trying his to put the players in the best positions to succeed, there's no point trying to insist on something that doesn't work...

"ckparrothead wrote:

This suggests to me that you're just being argumentative. What do you really believe it means?

That they will come back to it later after trying other things instead of coming back the next day and bashing their heads against it. I highly doubt Ryan would openly state to media a give up forever attitude like your reading into it.

I mean have you ever said to someone that you were going to move onto something else and have it interpreted as you were never coming back to said thing again?

Edited for sucky grammar.

"Brasfin wrote:

Why don't you guys listen to it straight from the horse's mouth and draw your own conclusions:

http://www.miamidolphins.com/multimedia/videos/Tannehill-Talks-At-Training-Camp/6bb1f35e-58d9-45df-9d94-159d0bee6372

I think he did mean that they might want to see a different approach, but I don't find it necessarily "disapponting" as you put it CK... I just think Lazor is trying his to put the players in the best positions to succeed, there's no point trying to insist on something that doesn't work...

Thanks for that. Yah he even chuckles over it. It's almost like saying "Yah we sucked with this........lets move on and come back to it another day".

Omar Kelly @OmarKelly ·

Ryan Tannehill has SUCKED the past two days. Does it bother me? Not really. He's been bad two practices out of 10. It use to be 4 out of 10


Omar Kelly @OmarKelly ·

But.....there is no debating Ryan Tannehill has been bad the past two days. I'm starting to worry about his arm wearing down.


Omar Kelly @OmarKelly ·

Tannehill is throwing A LOT of passes lately because of Miami's QB issues. Seth Lobato's arm looked like garbage today. Tannehill is human

Omar makes a good point about Tannehill throwing a lot of passes...with a higher amount of attempts, besides the arm wearing down, there's obviously also a higher chance of throwing bad passes and picks.