You gotta be Fresno kidding me, did I just do that. Piss ***, ok so Damian with a stinkin A is the receiver.. Not gonna say it's not gonna happen again I'll tell ya that..pretty sure he's gonna be the only one to make the team.
that would be cool, you know what else would be cool, is if Dion Jordan reminded us of Anthony Barr..
I just found out Chris Chambers is interning as a WR coach with us. That's pretty cool. He's one of my all time favorites. He was raving about Brandon Gibson on The Phinsiders yesterday.
Cool. Chris can show our receivers how to drop balls over the middle and then look at the officals and ask for a flag. He was so good at throwing the imaginary flag at the officials...even while on his knees!
No WR we've had since the Marino years had a better season than Chambers' best year (2005) with us. (Hell it could be argued no WR has had a better year here than his 2nd best (2003).
He was a man possessed that season. Especially in the second half. I'll never forget him going off on Buffalo with over 200 yards and the game winning TD. People were giving him a ton of flak early in that season for not being aggressive and it lit a fire in him. Always a class act too. Hope he sticks around.
The problem with that season is it basically broke down to him just having one really incredible game, the Sage Rosenfels Bills game. I remember the rest of his stats for the remaining 15 games breaking down into something not very impressive, and when he made the Pro Bowl over Reggie Wayne I'm pretty sure deep down we all knew Wayne should have made it over him...even if the fan in us argued in favor of Chambers.
Brandon Marshall was better period, 2010 and 2011. People have this block about Brandon Marshall where they don't want to recognize his talent. They're so mad at him. He's going to go down as one of the best wide receivers to ever play in the NFL. Probably top 10.
I had Barr with a higher grade than Jordan, it was close but that was under the assumption we'd be playing him at his natural weight and diverse style, instead they blew the kid up like blow up doll. I really think they made a gross mistake with this player.
Chamber's Miami years are ridiculously underrated and he absolutely belongs in the same class of Irving Fryer and OJ McDuffie. With a real QB he would of been a perennial 1,000 yard, 10+TD receiver. Instead, he got Jay Fielder, Ray Lucas, Brian Griese, Sage Rosenfels, and Gus Frerotte. Still put up respectable numbers.
No he wasn't. CC 2005: 1118 yrds, 11 TDs, 59 1stdwns, 13.6 yrds/c BM 2011: 1214 yrds, 6 TDs, 53 1stdwns, 15 yrds/c
I didn't have Jordan graded highly enough to warrant taking him at #3 overall. And if he'd made it to #12 overall I still had guys available with higher grades. The risk with Dion Jordan was always that his pass rush wouldn't develop. That was what he showed in college. Everything was always outside leverage for him. Little to no variation, little to no reading of the blocker's leverage and reacting appropriately. I had no problems with the other stuff, even the run defense (especially as an OLB). But was he going to be another Manny Lawson? That was my main concern and it was a pretty big one. I remember after the draft I wrote things about it and some people were acting like it was the most ridiculous thing that I didn't think the Dolphins should have taken Dion Jordan at #3 overall. I don't think it's that ridiculous. I wouldn't even have taken him at #12 overall, especially in Kevin Coyle's style of defense. The kid still has the potential to get it turned around but I think the ceiling has come down quite a bit. If we're trading to #3 overall though, I'd have taken Lane Johnson and still would. If we're staying pat at #12 then it was Star Lotulelei.
I think they remember his dropped touchdown passes and running out of bounds for no reason. he is talented but he didn't play that well in Miami for whatever reason.
Agreed. I almost flipped my desk at work when I saw we had traded him. One of, if not the greatest WRs in Dolphin history... and people were begging to ship him out of town...
Just when I thought it was impossible for Aquas pants to get tighter.....you post this.....and change my entire outlook.
The running out of bounds thing happened ONCE and it wasn't for no reason, it was because the guy lost his balance. Sh-t happens. Brian Hartline loses his balance and goes to the ground pretty much every. single. catch. Every good player has opportunities they missed. Most good receivers have drops. The crowd got a bug up their arse and started counting every little thing as a potential touchdown that Brandon Marshall blew. The number got inflated more and more with every fan board post. Yes he played well in Miami and could have been a hell of a lot more productive if the Dolphins didn't insist on giving him a backup quality quarterback and offensive coordinators destined to never be offensive coordinators again.
Who is Tim? I get 939 yards and 11 TDs on 71 catches if you annualize his 15 games outside of the Bills performance. That's a decent year. Nothing to canonize though. That's Larry Fitzgerald or Wes Welker in a DOWN year. Yet that was Chambers' career year.
Ya... dont care. I dont want to side track this thread, but Chambers had 1 amazing game against the Bills (and his only real production was during a quick 3 week stretch). He had only 3 games in total that went over 100 yards. Marshall had 5, including another one of 98 yards. Marshall was better. Chambers had an inflated yardage total due to 1 game of poor stubborn defense by the Bills who kept putting an injured Terrence McGee on Chambers 1v1... and refused to adjust when Chambers was abusing him play after play to the tune of 15 catches for 238 yards. That game alone was about 20% of his total production that year...
Because it makes a valid point. People just accept that Hartline will lose his balance after the catch and they don't scream up and down about how he blows 60 potential touchdowns every season.
When clear stats are given and the person says, " I don't care", then that person's stance on the subject is no longer valid, IMO.
I said I dont care about the totals... b/c I dont think the totals were an accurate reflection of his season as a whole. I then posted why. If you dont want to consider my opinion valid... thats on you. But I gave my reasoning as to why I dont think comparing season totals were an accurate representation in an attempt to compare the side by side apples to apples and determine Chambers' as greater.
FTR, you didn't say you don't care about the totals. You said, "Ya... dont care.". Surely you can see the difference.
What board are you part of. It is not a valid point. People have been talking bad about Hartline since he got here.
Thats fine if you misunderstood my post. But as I trying to was say... I dont care about those totals. Marshall was better, and it honestly wasn't that close IMO. Chambers 2005 season, while good in comparison to the dredge of WR production we've had over the past couple decades... is quite overrated.
You just did it. One of the resident Hartline haters gave you a fist bump. What alternate world do you live in where Hartline is a loved wide receiver?
Yeah, it's because Brian Hartline is the blue collar, underdog 4th round, smaller white guy who fans never expected a whole lot out of so we judge him on an entirely different standard as Marshall. Marshall had a couple solid, even if not up to standard, seasons here in Miami and is lighting things up in Chicago yet you still have fans who defend shipping him off for a pair of 3rds (AKA more wasted Ireland picks). If Hartline were to be traded away for a pair of 3rds right now, fans would riot. I'd also be upset, don't get me wrong, I really like Hartline. I just don't like the double standard.
There would be a lot of fans on here that would rejoice. If it wasn't for the linebackers and DT, Hartline would be the whipping boy.
I'm saying he's not criticized for a missed touchdown every single time he goes down after the catch. His run after catch ability is assessed as something that is part of the whole story, whereas Brandon Marshall was supposedly awful specifically because of the touchdowns he missed, one of which involved losing his balance and going out of bounds. If you can't and don't want to see different treatment of the two in that way then I can't make you and it's pointless to keep arguing.
He's one player elimination away from making the top 10 in Dolphin Survivor. You of all people know that typically only the fan favorites make the top 10.
Take away a guy's best game and and then annualize the remaining numbers and no I do not believe most guys would see as big a jump downward as Chambers would in that season.
I spend way too much time defending Hartline in the last few years from all the haters to see this supposed different treatment. You are right it is pointless. Maybe I slipped into another alternate dimension without noticing again.
Look, I'm not a Chambers supporter by any means. But Marshall's best year was just as uneven as Chambers' best. So many of BM's catches were for pointless yards. He single handedly dropped at least 5 TDs. That's the difference in a handful of games. Sure all receivers drop their share of balls BUT when you had only 6 TDs and you drop 5 TDs then there's a problem. He's a great receiver, he wasn't great here though and he cost a few games in his best year.
