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Dolphins vs Chiefs - Can We Win? - GAME THREAD!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Dec 7, 2020.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member Club Member

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    Dolphins org and hyping up the matchup with the Chiefs:



    I know we all had this one down as a scheduled loss but is there any chance this is a trap game for the Chiefs? They've been rolling along with only one loss but have had some close games. The Dolphins were fired up in this last game and a bunch are about to get fined.

    Do we see a pumped up Dolphins put one over on Kansas City?
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito. Club Member

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    There is always a chance.

    I doubt Miami will win but it is not impossible
     
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  3. The Guy

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    I think this one is a W for the Dolphins, but I do think they need to lay low this week and not give KC any bulletin board material.
     
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  4. KeyFin

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    I said in another post that if the same Miami defense from the 2nd half of the Cinci game shows up, I would not bet against the Dolphins playing any team.

    I really liked what the commentator last night said, the Dolphins need to start thinking like, "They have to play us." We need that mentality that our defense is the one to be feared, the one that opponents dread on the calendar. I mean, think about this- through most of the 4th quarter, Cinci had negative yards ON THE ENTIRE HALF. They were at -6 yards entering that final drive...FOR THE HALF. I know it was a 3rd string QB but still, that's unheard of these days.

    The game plan is very similar to Arizona, contain the QB and force him to beat your secondary. I think we can be very successful on defense even with KC's run game. It all comes down to the offense and how they produce...or if that D and special teams can have another legendary performance.

    If that same team from the 2nd half of last week shows up, if they keep that fire and anger all week, I think that it will be our game to win. That's a massive ask but I'm really starting to believe in what the baseline of this team can be on a weekly basis...and I think #80 of the Bengals unlocked that true potential for all of us to see yesterday.

    We're past that "prove it" stage in Miami now, message received. We're seeing the birth of some true superstars that attack the field like a pack of junkyard dogs. I'm done being worried about the opponent- they have to play us!

    In my mind, the Chiefs now HAVE TO PLAY US to prove they're legit. Miami has nothing left to prove in 2020 since they've showed the same thing all year long. Savage brutality...that's who we are out there. Let's see how the Chiefs answer.
     
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  5. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity Staff Member Club Member

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    Toughest job for the Phins' D?

    Kelce?
     
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  6. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Mahomes and the fact the Chiefs have enough weapons that you can blank Kelce and Hill then still give up a bunch of yards to the other weapons on the field.
     
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  7. TheHighExhaulted

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    Mahomes extending plays.
     
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  8. Finatik

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    SO Cal
    Hill's speed
     
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  9. Galant

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    It'll be something of a chicken/egg question - will the secondary cover the receivers long enough for the lines to bring him down or will the lines apply enough pressure to keep him from finding targets?

    What might be the Dolphins' biggest weakness on D?

    Run game?
    Pass rush?
     
  10. AGuyNamedAlex

    AGuyNamedAlex Well-Known Member

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    So the title ismt how I would phrase the question. Of course we -can- beat the Chiefs, that doesnt mean it's a likely outcome.

    In order to beat them we need to do a few things we arent particularly good at.

    The first is that we need to keep the clock moving and shorten the game. We cant allow this to become a shootout because that will be the absolute worst possible scenario for us. It doesnt matter how we keep the clock running, short passes or the run game, but it has to happen.

    The second thing ties into the first. We need to convert on third downs. If we are repeatedly giving them chances to put drives together we could be out of the game by halftime.
     
  11. FishOutOfWater

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    Depends on how the offense does.. Looks like it’s gonna be a hot one down there on Sunday (at least for those not from South Florida), so hopefully that plays to Miami’s advantage.
     
  12. The_Dark_Knight

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    The Chiefs are a great team but, they are far from invulnerable. The key to beating the Chiefs is containing Patrick Mahomes. The question becomes how to contain him? The Dolphins faced this same dilemma a number of years ago playing the Falcons...and how to contain Michael Vick.

    Like Vick, Mahomes is most dangerous when he's outside the pocket and able to extend plays. Miami implemented a strategy that no one suspected...they kept Vick in the pocket and let that pocket collapse around him. This is what Miami is going to have to do against KC and with the Cover Zero defense, I think they can do it. By having the "Mosh Pit" all up at the line of scrimmage, and Mahomes not able to lock in on who's rushing and who's dropping back, that in itself can keep Mahomes off balance.

    Miami needs to study closely the game film on last season's to Indianapolis, Houston, Green Bay and this season's loss to the Raiders. In the loss to Indianapolis, Mahomes was 22/39 for 321 yards but only 1TD. What did the Colts do to keep Mahomes that far off balance and implement it.
     
  13. Bumrush

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    Miami can match up with any TE with how McCain and Rowe have been playing.

    The key to this game will be how our LB's can shed blocks that often get Tyreek free and in space. If we can hold Tyreek to subpar game and if Miami can put a spy on Mahomes I like our chances.

    I'd also like to see the Phins run hurry up from the get go.
     
  14. cbrad

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    This is correct, and so far the Dolphins defense has been relatively weak against mobile QB's. We couldn't contain Wilson, Murray, and even Cam Newton who is playing way below average for the year but had a field day against us.

    If the Dolphins D is to be SB calibre, that's arguably the one weakness it absolutely needs to fix because those are the types of QB's you'll face in the playoffs — QB's that can extend drives by buying time or if necessary running for it.
     
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  15. Tin Indian

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    Kelce doesn't worry me near as much as he would have last year. Eric Rowe in particular has done a fantastic job on TE's this year. While I expect Kelce is going to get his I don't think he will be the killer. Obviously containing and putting pressure on Mahomes will most likely be the biggest key, but if we try to go Cover Zero and the Pass Rush doesn't get there quickly, Mahomes to Hill is going to break records! Outside of Mahomes, Hill scares me the most. Sub 4.3 speed. We are going to need at least a single high safety all day.

    They are going to have to find another way to pressure Mahomes.
     
  16. Rick 1966

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    Anything can happen on any given Sunday, and it's always possible that there could be a cascade of disasters for KC, but just going on talent alone, no.
     
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  17. AGuyNamedAlex

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    I'd eliminate Newton from that group for the simple fact the first four or so weeks basically looked like preseason. I'm pretty sure if that game was run back again their gameplan wouldnt fly.

    That said overall I agree. I'd argue our best defense this week would be shortening the game and limiting the number of KC possessions.

    The issue is we arent particularly built to do that.
     
  18. mlb1399

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    I’d give it a 20% chance but am fully expecting a beat down.
     
  19. Vertical Limit

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    Would be gigantic for the growth of our organization to win this Sunday. Its going to be very difficult, but we can put the entire NFL on notice (and free agents) that Miami is legitimate and ready.

    i think the Broncos showed yesterday that the best way to keep it competitive is to keep touching Mahomes. We gotta get after him, knock him on the ground as much as possible. And then just play efficiently on offense.
     
  20. brandon27

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    I think it is highly unlikely we win; but hey... anything is possible & the way the defense has played recently I have some faith.

    If we're without Parker though, or there is some other fallout coming from yesterdays bush league game with Zach "I was just here for the tank job" Taylor's team of dirt bags then it's unlikely.

    First and foremost though, aside from that Tua and the offense needs to play like Tua and the offense from the Cardinals game & the second half of yesterdays game (minus the Gaskin fumble) if we're going to have a realistic chance.
     
  21. firedan

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    Always a chance albeit a slim to none one.I will hope for an upset but I'm not betting my Christmas budget on my beloved team against KC.
     
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  22. cbrad

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    Good estimate! That's almost exactly what Vegas thinks right now. A +7.5 underdog translates to 21.9% win probability.
     
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  23. mlb1399

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    I just pulled that out of my a**. Would make my week it Miami win as I’m in KC fan country. I remember going to the game when Tony Gonzalez shredded our defense.
     
  24. AGuyNamedAlex

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    Since we are doing expectations and predictions now.

    38-17 loss.
     
  25. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    The Raiders and Broncos were able to hang with them, but those are divisional opponents so I don't think you can really go off of that. Denver did it by keeping the score as low as they possibly could. Drew Lock made some mistakes and I think that ultimately cost them the game. If we can play mistake free on offense and keep the score low, then I like our chances. Last thing this needs to turn into is a dance off with Patrick Mahomes. They will blow our doors off if we try to make this a shootout. I think this game will be very similar to the Seahawks game earlier this season. Quarterbacks that can extend plays and move around well in the pocket really seem to hurt us. I definitely do not expect us to win this game, but some encouraging signs out of Tua, some overall fight and competitiveness and i'll pretty much be happy. This was the one game on the remaining schedule that I figured we could 'afford' to lose. My expectations just aren't that high looking at the matchup. Definitely the biggest test for our defense yet.
     
  26. Hooligan

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    First of all, the team needs to play in the white throw-backs.
    The defense is on an emotional high and I like that we don't have to travel for this next game.
    I think there's a strong chance that the defense can control the tempo but, the offense needs to score more than 19.
     
  27. ripper1961

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    It seemed like the second half the heat took a toll on the Bengals. Hopefully the same will happen with KC. But we cannot give them a half like with the Bengals. If we hang with them the first half I give our chances fair to middlin.
     
  28. Galant

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  30. cbrad

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    LOLOL Pittsburgh loses to Washington. Dolphins perfect season is still safe!

    Just goes to show a "low probability" of winning isn't the same thing as "no chance". Next up: Dolphins over Chiefs? lol.
     
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  31. Deus ex dolphin

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    Yep, there is always a chance. Miami needs to study what Denver did (6 men near line-of-scrimmage the rest in coverage) and we have a better QB that could make a couple extra plays needed to pull off the upset.
     
  32. texanphinatic

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    Talent-wise they are on a different level, so winning will be quite difficult and will require either perfect strategy, luck/fluke or KC not showing up. For that latter, a quick look at the schedule shows that following us is a potential Super Bowl preview of the Chiefs and Saints - if they look past Miami it might allow us to build something of a lead early.

    As we saw with Houston in the playoffs last year, KC can erase even a large lead in minutes which is where the coaching gameplan and luck come into play. If we can get a ST TD, or if we can win the TO battle ... things of that nature.
     
  33. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    While I am a staunch Tua supporter, I think right now him and Lock are in the same class of quarterback. Loads of talent, limited experience, ascending, lacking an ideal supporting cast. I would argue that Lock at least has the running game to fall back on whereas we are just now getting Gaskin back. Do I think we can beat Kansas City? Sure, and if we are going to, Tua will have to be a big reason why. This is the Arizona game on steroids at this point. I think we can give them a run.
     
  34. OwesOwn614

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    I think the defense can play well against the Chiefs but I don't think the offense can outscore them. We can't win without some kind of offensive flow and consistency. I can't see them losing if we're afraid to throw for more than 8 yards unless we put together 6-8 minute drives that end in touchdowns.
     
  35. Sceeto

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    If the Phins win, it's going to have to be due to the D playing lights out, "like a bunch of crazed dogs".
     
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    We have a couple of must win games coming up. While KC would be great to win it will be difficult. The Patriots are almost a must win because they are only 2 games back and could be only one game back after next week. If we lose the next 2 weeks we could be fighting the Pats for that position not to mention everyone else close by.
     
  37. Pauly

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    I think the opposite. We can expect the D to play well. It’s the O who has to play like a bunch of crazed dogs. We aren’t going to beat the Chiefs unless we put a respectable number of points on the board. I”m thinking 24 is the minimum to have a chance and mid 30s for a good chance.
     
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  38. Sceeto

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    Not with the weapons the have on O. The D has been good, but they have to keep it up and step it up in order to hold that O somewhat in check. It would be great if the O can put up a lot of points, but, at this point, I have more confidence in the D and it would be better to keep things manageable for the rook.
     
  39. The_Dark_Knight

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    You guys do realize that our defense scores points as well, don't you? It's going to be the defense that wins or loses this game. All we need is the offense to play a mistake free, sustained driving game that results in points. The key here offensively is mistake free! No fumbles, no interceptions, no penalties, no negative plays.

    We can win this game, but it's not going to be easy.
     
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  40. Galant

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