At Alabama, Tua was statistically worse the more time he got. Tua has always been what he is. A system QB. Get the play off, everything works as designed, play goes well. Anything breaks down, the play dies. Things don't go as planned against top defenses who can get pressure and can cover your CBs. You NEED physical talent to buy time.
Maybe we will be great in September and October and you can talk about the 1 seed again. That can't possibly go wrong.
Yeah, I get that. I hear you. But how much of that "have fun" mentality is also directed by Tyreek Hill? Now, I'm not in any way saying we should move on from him but from some of the clips from hard knocks I've seen much of that is driven by Hill. I mean, that Titans game... those celebrations were absolutely cringeworthy. I felt it at the time given how the game had gone, and in hindsight when you look at how it turned out it's pretty bad. But to me as well without Hill, the version of Tua we get isn't the version that leads the league in passing yards. I just dont see how you can commit long term with the health/injury concerns (yes, this year was what youd like but we can't ignore the past) when in the biggest games of the year... we get these types of performances? I get it... weather. OL, injuries. etc. etc. But at what point is enough... enough? I dont think McDaniel is the problem at this point, but there certainly are concerns there with his offensive adjustments mid season and mid game, but at this point in year 4 you have to start seriously looking at the most important position on the field. Is it attitude? Mental? Physical? I dont know, and I don't care but at some point it's time to either go all in, or it's time to move on. Personally to me... I feel this year was going all in.. yet here we are no further than last year.
It's the HC's responsibility to get the culture right, so however much of it is due to Hill is no excuse. McD has to fix it. At what point is enough enough? I'd say if this same issue persists next year then it's time to change course. But you don't change course after 2 years of making the playoffs for a 1st time HC with many key players on a good (but not good enough) team. Grier has some serious thinking to do of course about whether to have Tua play next year without an extension. I wouldn't be against next year being a prove it year.
I'm not disagreeing with you btw. I was just adding some points. Next year should absolutely be a prove it year IMO. There's ZERO reason to commit long term in this QB at this point.
Cool. Another post with nothing of value. It'll be fun alright. You can be excited by what you saw tonight that's fine, but this attitude towards those souring on the QB and offense in general for embarrassing themselves again in a big game is most likely not going to end well for you.It's year four. Come on. Show up when it matters.
so another big game and the HC and QB are found wanting. The QB in particular is simply not good enough. I hope that the immediate future is not held to ransom by giving him a big contract.
Tua does not have Manning level decision-making. He's mostly a quick one read, throw to a spot QB who forces throws into tough coverage or panics and falls apart when you take away his first read.
No one compares to Manning. But acting like elite decision making isn’t a thing like StaleTacos suggested is just ludicrous.
I guess I don't understand what is elite about deciding presnap where you're throwing, and throwing there in 1.5 seconds, regardless of what happens after the snap.
I just don’t see this team, with the anchor that will be our salary cap situation, making any kind of deep playoff run. We’ve been beaten so lopsidedly in several games this season against teams that a deep playoff run will entail, and I don’t see the firepower. Our offense disappears. Defense gives up massive points and doesn’t appear to know coverages. Give up horrible special teams big play. Untimely penalties in almost every critical game. Then our all pro players disappear when it matters.
So are we ever going to be able to have an actual conversation about this? Or are we going to forever act like one side is just ridiculous?
Most QB’s can’t do that accurately, and it’s the primary skill set of Tua that enabled a top offense. So while it’s nothing in the league of Manning who actually game planned during the game, it’s “elite” because so few can do it and how effective it was, ignoring Tua’s issues playing under high stress situations.
Anyone see before the Ravens game see the Texans going farther than us? What an epic failure of a season.
I posted somewhere that it’s crazy after we absolutely fleeced them on that Tunsil trade, that they’re now a better team and organization with the potential to be a contender in the near future.
Haven’t had a chance to watch the game but from the score looks like a really disappointing game. It doesn’t sound like it was even competitive.
I really hope we can cut/restructure some players so we can keep him. I like the idea of him and Seiler playing together for awhile. Just need to get some better ILB’s and figure out what we’re going to do at edge and CB.
Correct. There's nothing elite about it because he's not actually processing the defense. He's usually following his first read. He's throwing the ball into holes. Do I have a hole I can zip the ball into? Yes or no? What's my guy doing doesn't come into the equation. What's the defense doing doesn't come into the equation. I can't recommend that Warner video enough where he expands on all of this. It's why that one WR (forget his name) who left last offseason said as a WR you have to get to the spot because the ball is coming there or not. That's not elite processing. People are confusing getting rid of the ball quickly with have elite processing. Mac Jones was 2nd last year in release time. Guy isn't elite at anything. Similar to Tua. McDaniel is just genius enough to make Tua look like he has elite skills. Put him in Patriots system, LOL. You'll have similar results to Mac Jones.
I haven't read most of the posts to this point, so I don't know what "this" is. But somehow, I can imagine it is lacking relevant context, as do must of our emotional reactions. But, have the conversations you need to exercise what is on your hearts.
"This" = the state of this team, needs, can we actually win it all with Tua? Limitations of the QB, the ****ty drafting that continues to this day. These things we have been trying to talk about for a couple seasons, not because we are trolls or fans of other teams, but because we are fans of the Dolphins, and would like to see a playoff win AT LEAST, before I die.
The entire problem in a nutshell. Great post. Fun is great if you're also able to flip a switch and get serious and bear down with drive and intensity. This team cannot flip that switch, and so it's routinely overwhelmed by good teams that can. That explains the extreme discrepancy between its first- and second-half performances offensively during recent weeks, including yesterday.
The way "a team takes on the personality of its coach" as they say is by determining the kinds of players who are likely to become leaders and thereby shape the culture of the team via the effect of their leadership on their teammates. If your head coach is a goofball, players like Hill and Wilkins will feel permitted to lead their teammates from that angle -- i.e., fun and games and elaborate and rehearsed end zone celebrations. If on the other hand your head coach is the gruff and tough Bill Cowher for example, players like Joey Porter and Jerome Bettis are likely to become player leaders and lead with toughness and physicality. If your head coach is the serious and cerebral Bill Belichick, someone like Tom Brady is likely to become a key player leader and lead in that vein. The head coach's personality essentially "prescribes" the kind of player leader who's likely to rise to that stature among his teammates. McDaniel has to start by being less of a goofball. Toughness and physicality (Cowher's Steelers), as well as a serious and cerebral approach (Belichick's Patriots), are consistent with winning in the game of football. What's not consistent with winning in the game of football is a goofball fun and games approach that can't become serious when need be.
This is ridiculous. Have you seen the countless times Tua throws the ball right between defenders or just outside the reach of one? The touch on the ball absolutely depends on reading the motions of a few key players on defense as well as the WR. He’s not throwing the ball blindly. It’s not the kind of reading the defense post-snap that leads to deciding where to go next in most cases (though sometimes yes), it’s deciding how and when precisely to throw the ball so it’s most likely to be caught. Very few QB’s can do what Tua does. Maybe it requires the right system, but people who gravitate towards thinking you just need the right system and any QB can perform are so often proven otherwise when a new QB comes in. Remember all the same arguments about Brady? Yeah.. Belichick is an average HC without a great QB. Absolutely Tua is a relatively rare breed to do what he does.
To think no mental processing is necessary to throw the ball accurately when multiple players are in motion and not yet at the spot you’re going to throw it is a completely untenable position. And what I said about Brady is true: tons of posters here kept claiming it’s all Belichick and that any average QB would play great in his system only to be proven spectacularly wrong. This intuition some have of not crediting the QB and placing all credit on everyone else is one of the most flawed intuitions around.
Yep. Sherfield. The ball is going into the hole on time. It's up to the receiver to get there. That's what HE said. Like I said, Warner does a really good job illustrating this in his video. Tua completely crumbles when he has to actually process defenses. When his timing is thrown off, he's dead in the water because usually it also means him throwing off platform, which he just doesn't have the arm strength for.
lol.. so Belichick magically lost the ability to cheat after Brady? The cheating Belichick was penalized for doesn’t come close to accounting for 6 SBs. No it’s the same “system” vs “QB” argument as back then, and the truth is that both matter not just one.
@flasportsbuzz I ran all the numbers in this piece, and here's one that should concern everyone: Dolphins had 71 possessions in their 7 games against playoff teams this season (including tonight). They scored 12 touchdowns in those 71 possessions, with 10 turnovers. https://x.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1746392778530062686?s=20
So I'll ask again: he lost the ability to cheat once Brady left? Look, whatever the effect of cheating that must have still been there after Brady left. You can clearly see it wasn't worth much whatever he was doing.
