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Dolphins, Wallace and the WR corps

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    They offered him a contract. 50 million for 5 years.
     
  2. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    See post #32
     
  3. ToddPhin

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    I'm guessing that had something to do with Wallace being 1 of just THREE receivers to average 1000+ yards and 8+ TDs since 2009. The other 2 being Calvin & Fitz. Plus he led the NFL in yardage & TDs on throws of 21+ yards during that span.
     
  4. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Just a guess here, but what I'm thinking is that Wallace benefited from Roethlisberger being such a bull moose in the pocket. The Steelers had a crappy OL last year, Tannehill has a crappy of this year, but Big Ben is uniquely or nearly uniquely good at standing up to a vicious pass rush, staying on his feet and getting the ball off- he buys time. He's just so damn big and strong, he stays vertical and last year he gave Wallace more time to develop his deep routes and make the long catches.

    As I said, just a theory- that doesn't excuse his Nancy play this year, but Wallace certainly did produce in Pittsburgh.
     
  5. Desides

    Desides Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not true. Pittsburgh offered him the contact that eventually went to Antonio Brown.
     
  6. Nappy Roots

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    Thanks...any idea of where that ranks?
     
  7. finfansince72

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    And he turned it down to get 60 million instead of staying on a year in and year out contender? Wow this guy is a mistake. What do you think Pittsburgh thinks about the deal now?
     
  8. Nappy Roots

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    nevermind. sort of went into myself.
     
  9. finfansince72

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    Which led to a holdout.....a subpar year .....and then no offer from Pittsburgh. We really should have known what we were getting into.
     
  10. ToddPhin

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    no, I agree, that's definitely part of it IMO..... which is why I don't understand why we don't utilize more rollouts to buy time for those deep plays to develop and so that Tannehill has more room to step into it so we can perhaps watch Wallace catch a few in stride rather than waiting on them. I don't get it b/c Philbin did it frequently in Green Bay with Rodgers to Jennings.
     
  11. ToddPhin

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    Well, they are 2-5, have trouble scoring, and Roethlisberger hasn't seen a passer rating, TD percentage, or TD-INT ratio this low since the year BEFORE Wallace arrived.... and I don't see why Pittsburgh would care more about what's happening in Miami than what happened on their own team. Just my 2 cents.
     
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  12. cuchulainn

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    Pretty well. I don't have the complete break down, but just glancing at the splits, he is 7 of 19 for 35.8% on passes over 20 yards.

    Just cherry picking his draft peers and next opponent:

    Griffins is at 22.7% at completing anything over 20 yards (5 of 22).
    Luck only completes 20.3% over 20 yards (5 of 23).
    Wilson is at 33.3% (11 of 26).
    Dalton is 21.3% (7 of 23).

    I'd think anyone would acknowledge that these guys have better protection, larger WRs, and better TE and RB play...
     
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  13. Nappy Roots

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    I dont care about 20 yards plus. a 20 yard pass is not a long ball. I only care about 30+. From everything I looked at, he was better then some. Worse then others. Looks like he was probably in the bottom 3rd in 30+. But the sample sizes are pretty small.
     
  14. P h i N s A N i T y

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    HAh, another thread about the GM. Keller down, now Gibson, and we're complaining about a lack of weapons. The whining about Wallace not putting up elite #'s was easily predictable. So is the yearly " why is rookie x not a major contributor already ? ". I suppose Rishard Matthews and Charles Clay are nothing more than just scraps too....... but Da'Rick Rodgers...... :lol:
     
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  15. Section126

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    Have you watched them play? they miss him greatly. Emanuel Sanders blows.
     
  16. ckparrothead

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    Interesting that Omar says Miami is thinking about bringing Chad Bumphis back from the Denver Broncos practice squad.
     
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  17. ToddPhin

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    might be the best thing considering he has some familiarity and with how little we involve the #4 receiver.
     
  18. ckparrothead

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    Doesn't seem like they're up for any of the trades people keep talking about.
     
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  19. Limbo

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    They offered it before his last year in PGH. Then they switched from Arians to Haley, and implemented Haley's short-passing game. Wallace had his worst year in that possession passing offense. Though frankly, the offense as a whole went downhill (at least statistically) since Haley got there.
     
  20. jdang307

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    I think they had one game where the average pass travelled under 5 yards. Why they stick with Haley .. I dunno.
     
  21. Aquafin

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    the poor house
    you are not alone I really hate the job Sherman has done here.
     
  22. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    On paper you would think even without Gibson that this core of receivers could get it done. I personally wanted us to draft another WR and when we didn't I wanted to us to keep Chad Bumphis. I've said all along that we need a guy that can go and get the ball simply because Hartline, and Wallace don't. Gibson was that guy I guess but he's gone now so we need someone to step up. I like Rishard Matthews and this is his chance so I have hopes.
     
  23. dolfan22

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    That really pissed me off , he could have caught that ball , and at the very least stopped it from being intercepted. A guy that can go up and get a not perfect pass would do wonders for RT and this team . We did have one of those but we traded him away. Not the worst thing , if you replace the player ..... tick ... tick ... tick ...
     
  24. Rocky Raccoon

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    Wallace right now reminds me a lot of Ted Ginn when we had him. Fast, but drops passes and doesn't fight for anything.
     
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  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    One thing I would have to give Ted Ginn is that he was really good with underthrown balls.
     
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  26. Rocky Raccoon

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    I do still think Wallace will turn it around though. As long as Sherman starts calling plays that gets him the ball in space. Just get him going and the rest will come.
     
  27. MikeHoncho

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    ...And he could return kicks.











    Never thought I'd say this but, I miss Ted Gin Jr.




    Take me now, God. Take me now.
     
  28. MikeHoncho

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    Honestly though, we need to run more screens and drags for the guy. All I see him run are hooks, comebacks and 9s
     
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  29. ckparrothead

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    Through the first 7 games of 2008, Ted Ginn was targeted 39 times and had 352 yards on 27 catches with 0 touchdowns.

    Through the first 7 games of 2013, Mike Wallace has been targeted 63 times and has 398 yards on 30 catches with 1 touchdown.

    Through the first 7 games of 2013, Ted Ginn now has been targeted 29 times and has 357 yards on 20 catches with 2 touchdowns.
     
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  30. Stitches

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    Not going to say I miss him, but I never wanted us to get rid of him.
     
  31. ckparrothead

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    One could certainly argue that Ted Ginn is outperforming Mike Wallace by a comfortable margin in 2013.

    You can say oh yeah but Wallace commands so much respect by secondaries backing up. Well, so does Ginn. Defenses know he's fast as sh-t.
     
  32. dolfan22

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    Not for a late pick .
     
  33. cuchulainn

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    Didn't like the move either. He almost single handedly beat the stej with just returns for TDs. We still don't have a returner with his speed/ability.
     
  34. djphinfan

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    Matthews is gonna be a good football player..he will make us forget about Gibson.
     
  35. Rhody Phins Fan

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    Football Outsiders has Ginn ranked far ahead of Wallace. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

    DVOA (rate Stat)

    Wallace:-19.2% (75th overall)
    Ginn: 44.5% (3rd overall)

    DYAR (counting stat)

    Wallace: -28 (77th overall)
    Ginn: 92 (26th overall)

    I think it's safe to say that Wallace has been bad so far.
     
  36. ckparrothead

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    Kind of funny how it works out. Aaron Dobson has 324 yards and 2 TDs on 26 catches and 50 targets, 217 pass snaps. He's dropped the ball 8 times. Mike Wallace has 398 yards and 1 TD on 30 catches and 63 targets, 295 pass snaps. He's dropped the ball 7 times.

    Numbers are very similar. Dobson one more TD, slightly more efficient yards per pass snap and yards per attempt, slightly higher drop rate.

    Having to rely on a rookie like Aaron Dobson is widely regarded as one of the big reasons Tom Brady's numbers are so incredibly off his usual efficiency and pace. Having Mike Wallace at his disposal is widely regarded as one of the big reasons Tannehill doesn't have any excuse for not taking a big step up in 2013.

    Just an interesting comparison to make, IMO.
     
  37. Rocky Raccoon

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    We're trying to force the issue with Wallace way too much. The guy can be very valuable if Sherman would open his eyes and start using him the right way. In Indianapolis, we run a WR screen that Wallace take to the house. Then we don't run it again until this past Sunday where Wallace gets 25 yards on 3rd and 23. Baffling.

    I do think they've done a bit more towards his skill-set in the past few games though. I've seen some slants thrown his way and we even saw a couple end-arounds. But it needs to be more consistent. Throw him more screens and drags. When that starts working, THEN you hit him over the top.
     
  38. djphinfan

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    I don't think he's been targeted nearly enough on deep routes...hell we haven't had one rollout clear out freakin bomb...ala chad Henne to tedd Ginn against the jets.
     
  39. Rocky Raccoon

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    I think they've targeted Wallace deep quite a bit. Even at times seemingly forcing it. I don't have any numbers to back that up, but from watching every snap, it looks that way to me.

    I know we had a handful of play action passes Sunday where Tannehill was looking to unload deep but it wasn't there. They're definitely trying, but getting him the ball in shorter routes would help a lot.
     
  40. MAFishFan

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    I applauded the Wallace signing at the time. But if you look at how this offense runs, Hartline, Gibson and Clay fit the style of offense they are trying to run better. Yeah, the deep threat is nice and all, but if you can't get the throw off because of protection or the QB underthrows it or the WR doesn't catch it because it's not perfect, what's the point?
     

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