Dolphins@Texans notes and opinions
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DisgustipatesubscriberOPIt's very frustrating when you go into a game under the expectation to be blown out, and it happens not because you are not talented enough, outcoached, or anything of that nature, but rather kill yourself in such a spectacular fashion.
They played a competitive game vs. a playoff team for 3 2/3rd quarters, gave up 24 unanswered points on turnovers in their own territory during a 6-minute window right before half-time.
What the ****, man?
It's hard not to compartmentalize Ryan Tannehill's performance into the batted passes and everything else. I don't know if that's the right or wrong reaction because I don't think I've ever seen it happen so much in one game and wouldn't really believe it could be a serious career concern. I thought he played pretty well otherwise, he had an interception he threw on a questionable pass, but otherwise? Pretty good.
The batted passes are a problem though. It's not a fluke, it's pre-season, and he had what, like 17 in his full year of college? That needs to get fixed for Tannehill to be a viable starter, and I'm honestly not sure what the logistics or feasibility of that short or long-term.
Reggie Bush played pretty well, and it seems like he's continued to be the same player from last year.
I was surprised how fast Jorvorskie Lane was. Pretty good for a guy with linemen foot speed.
The wide receivers were not nearly as bad as advertised. Not great by any means, but the idea that they were a gang of bungling incompetents was overblown I think.
The offensive line was a mixed bag, but ultimately pretty acceptable. Too many penalties, but they did pretty serviceable given the context and competition.
Some really nice efforts defensively. Randy Starks, Paul Soliai, and Koa Misi were all really quite good.
The problems in pre-season with there being huge holes in zone coverage between the safeties and linebackers is pretty troublesome.
Richard Marshall was a mixed bag, and it's going to draw some freak-outs from the Vontae Davis people, but he almost certainly got beat less by Andre Johnson this year than Davis did last year.
I'm kind of expecting Marcus Thigpen to basically be Patrick Cobbs with more foot speed.
VendigosubscriberKudos for your time, effort and insight, but I can't help but wondering if you're watching the same games I am ;)
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How many passes were batted at the LOS today? At least 4.
DtronicNew Member"Anonymous wrote:
How many passes were batted at the LOS today? At least 4.
I stopped counting after the third interception.
Our run d looked great and our pass d looked not too shabby, but not good enough.
Same problems as the past 3 years, can't cover #1 recievers or TE's.
And our Wr's SUCK compared to other teams. Sick of Bess running a route that is 1-2 yards short of a TD or 1st down.
padre31luxury_boxI expect Thigpen and Lane's roles to grow.
To me, and a CFL fan will tell you this, he is a lot like Leon Washington, Lane has a nice burst.
CC9..not good..really like what he offers but he seems to drop to many passes
CClemons..yikes..
cdz12250subscriberThe passes were batted because the offensive linemen allowed the pocket to be collapsed right into Tanny, and he didn't move slightly the way Marino used to do all the time to avoid pressure. I have to think that the slight moves can be taught and that the offensive line may improve.
Disgustipatesubscriber"cdz12250 wrote:
The passes were batted because the offensive linemen allowed the pocket to be collapsed right into Tanny, and he didn't move slightly the way Marino used to do all the time to avoid pressure. I have to think that the slight moves can be taught and that the offensive line may improve.
Well, the thing is it's nothing new with Tannehill. He had loads of passes batted at the line of scrimmage in college, too. The problem is somewhere with him.
Vendigosubscriber"cdz12250 wrote:
The passes were batted because the offensive linemen allowed the pocket to be collapsed right into Tanny
I'm still rewatching the plays, but on the second INT it looks like he's hitting the helmet of the OL because the release point is just way, way too low.
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shourightNew Member"Disgustipate wrote:
Well, the thing is it's nothing new with Tannehill. He had loads of passes batted at the line of scrimmage in college, too. The problem is somewhere with him.
But I think we need to realize as well that the vast, vast majority of these tipped balls aren't going to be interceptions, and even the ones that are interceptions aren't always going to blow games wide open.
In other words, the tipped passes issue might be a somewhat of a big deal, but it's probably seeming like a much bigger deal today than it really is.
WhiteIbanezNew MemberSherman has to figure out a way to move his QB around a little more IMO. I think it was obvious to most. Nonetheless we had shots and left points on the field in multiple opportunities.
I was waiting for a Texans scoring flurry and we overcame it and weathered the storm. Left the running game way too quick in the midst of said flurry.
I felt like I was watching Henning calling plays for Henne during that time.
Sad.
shourightNew Member"WhiteIbanez wrote:
Sherman has to figure out a way to move his QB around a little more IMO. I think it was obvious to most. Nonetheless we had shots and left points on the field in multiple opportunities.
I was waiting for a Texans scoring flurry and we overcame it and weathered the storm. Left the running game way too quick in the midst of said flurry.
I felt like I was watching Henning calling plays for Henne during that time.
Sad.
I agree. I think Sherman did a poor job.
Vendigosubscriber"shouright wrote:
In other words, the tipped passes issue might be a somewhat of a big deal, but it's probably seeming like a much bigger deal today than it really is.
It really depends on how the passes get tipped. The issue with Tannehill (and that goes back to college) is that his tips tend to result in floaters that are easily intercepted. It's not just a coincidence they got picked off, it's got to do with the release point (aka angle) and zip.
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padre31luxury_box"WhiteIbanez wrote:
Sherman has to figure out a way to move his QB around a little more IMO. I think it was obvious to most. Nonetheless we had shots and left points on the field in multiple opportunities.
I was waiting for a Texans scoring flurry and we overcame it and weathered the storm. Left the running game way too quick in the midst of said flurry.
I felt like I was watching Henning calling plays for Henne during that time.
Sad.
Not at all, Henne was given baby steps at first, lots of half field reads and rollouts and told "don't you dare screw up!"
Thill is being force fed the rough stuff about being a NFL Qb..sit in the pocket, make a read, deliver an accurate pass.
I'd like to see more Anthony Armstrong and less Legedu.
Vendigosubscriber"padre31 wrote:
I'd like to see more Anthony Armstrong and less Legedu.
You saw a lot of Anthony Armstrong. He just didn't do anything aside from a drop.
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MrCleansubscriber"Ronnie Bass wrote:
Who in the hell is CC9??
Clay. His college number was 9.
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schmoliootsubscriberI appreciate Disgust's time on this post and his position as the consulate Ireland/status quo defender here, but how anyone could watch that game with any sort if objectivity and cone to the conclusion that we don't have a talent problem or that the WR aren't so bad is beyond me.
Just stunning. I understand patience or wanting to be an optimist but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining
padre31luxury_box"Vendigo wrote:
You saw a lot of Anthony Armstrong. He just didn't do anything aside from a drop.
Thought he had a catch for 3yds or something like that?
Reason why I advocate for him is he at least offers explosive plays, and THill was not throwing well today, his location was off as the game rolled on, AA tried to make a leaping catch over the middle and THill just led him to much.
Vendigosubscriber"schmolioot wrote:
I appreciate Disgust's time on this post and his position as the consulate Ireland/status quo defender here, but how anyone could watch that game with any sort if objectivity and cone to the conclusion that we don't have a talent problem or that the WR aren't so bad is beyond me
I'm not really sure where he's going with the WR part, either. Out of 36 pass attempts (and 20 completions), 9 were caught by wideouts. Remove good ol reliable Bess from the equation and we're looking at, I think, a grand total of 1 pass being caught by a flanker before the 4th quarter.
We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only reason for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless.
padre31luxury_box"Vendigo wrote:
I'm not really sure where he's going with the WR part, either. Out of 36 pass attempts (and 20 completions), 9 were caught by wideouts. Remove good ol reliable Bess from the equation and we're looking at, I think, a grand total of 1 pass being caught by a flanker before the 4th quarter.
3 total plays in the 3rd qtr will do that Vendi.
Offense was dreadful, literally.
Even with Bush having over 100 all purpose yds.
Vendigosubscriber"padre31 wrote:
3 total plays in the 3rd qtr will do that Vendi
Aye, we can debate the reasons, but I'm not sure how you can call WR production anything but dreadful when literally the only play outside of garbage time and Davone Bess (whom we know to be a reliable slot guy) was a 3 yard completion to Armstrong.
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ToddPhinluxury_box"schmolioot wrote:
I appreciate Disgust's time on this post and his position as the consulate Ireland/status quo defender here, but how anyone could watch that game with any sort if objectivity and cone to the conclusion that we don't have a talent problem or that the WR aren't so bad is beyond me.
Just stunning. I understand patience or wanting to be an optimist but don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining
How do you think we have a talent problem? Take away those 2 freakishly botched minutes before halftime and we played Houston fairly well considering they're the same strong playoff team they were last year, where as we're a team with a rookie QB & rookie RT , and new offensive & defensive scheme. The team needs time to settle in before we go crazy criticizing it.
Once they had a comfortable lead from those 2 minutes, the entire game changed b/c that basically removed our effective running game and gave them more flexibility & unpredictability on offense.
shourightNew Member"phinsational wrote:
How do you think we have a talent problem? Take away those 2 freakishly botched minutes before halftime and we played Houston fairly well considering they're essentially the same team they were last year, where as we're a team with a rookie QB & rookie RT , and new offensive & defensive scheme. The team needs time to settle in before we go crazy criticizing it.
Because it's the simplest way to explain things (i.e., it takes no sophistication whatsoever), and it identifies a scapegoat and a solution that's perceived to be simple: replacing the GM.
That way you can feel miserable while believing the entire situation is really under control and easily solved. Replace the GM and we'll be fine.
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